You really don't get it do you ? ...You completely underplay the social effects of having another referendum . Rather than create unity , it really would be armageddon.
I don't think you can underestimate the divisions that currently exist. What will happen to heal the rift. A no deal Brexit is unlikely to. Neither will negotiating a trade deal with the EU for the next 10 years. People are fed up with Brexit. Yet we aren't even close to a solution.
You really don't get it do you ? ...You completely underplay the social effects of having another referendum . Rather than create unity , it really would be armageddon.
I don't think you can underestimate the divisions that currently exist. What will happen to heal the rift. A no deal Brexit is unlikely to. Neither will negotiating a trade deal with the EU for the next 10 years. People are fed up with Brexit. Yet we aren't even close to a solution.
11th hour parliamentary unity
Followed by endless years of Brexit negotiations, I don't think so. There are also a number of imponderables.
A deal will be followed by a transition period and a number of years of trade negotiations.
During which time there could be a General Election.
This could mean a Labour Government, what happens then?
Or just a different Tory Prime Minister, same question?
Theresa May will be out of her no, no confidence vote period, this is another way of getting a new PM.
She is not going to stand at the next scheduled General Election, so we are likely to get a new PM before the negotiations are completed.
Either or both main parties could split.
On your hoped for solution, it is difficult at present to see how this may happen as,
The Tories have a slight majority if the DUP support them.
The DUP will not support The Backstop.
The ERG wont support The Backstop.
The EU and the Irish wont remove The Backstop.
The SNP and Lib Dems, are both adamant that they wont vote for anything that is not a second referendum.
The Labour Party are after a Customs Union amongst other things.
The Tories wont wear a Customs Union at any price.
The DUP hate Labour almost as much as The Backstop, but not quite.
There are a small number of rebels on both sides, but not enough to make a real difference.
A radical change is required, but seems unlikely at present.
Chancellor will not make trade trip to China next week amid fury at Gavin Williamson pledge to send aircraft carrier
The chancellor will not visit China after Beijing reacted with fury to the defence secretary Gavin Williamson’s plan to send a British aircraft carrier to the country’s backyard. Philip Hammond was expected to undertake the trade mission next week – a vital part of efforts to build the UK’s global trading links ahead of Brexit – but the Treasury announced he will not go. It follows Mr Williamson’s “gunboat diplomacy”, when he announced HMS Queen Elizabeth would be sent to the Pacific and that Britain was prepared to use “lethal” force to deter countries that “flout international law”.
U.K. Set to Tell EU It Doesn't Want to Renegotiate Brexit Deal
Bloomberg) -- British Prime Minister Theresa May’s officials are preparing to compromise on their demands for a re-write of the Brexit agreement, according to a person familiar with the matter. The U.K. government is watering down its request for changes to the contentious Irish border “backstop” arrangement as set out in the text of the divorce deal that May struck with the European Union last year. Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay told the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, during a private meeting Monday that the government is not pursuing a reopening of the withdrawal agreement. That’s likely to enrage the pro-Brexit members of May’s Conservative Party who say the backstop is unacceptable. While the stance could help the premier get concessions from Brussels, it risks making the agreement more difficult to sell to members of Parliament in London. The EU has consistently rejected the possibility of renegotiating the deal that was struck between the two sides in November, even though U.K. lawmakers last month voted in favor of sending May back to try to do so. May told members of Parliament after their vote last month there needed to be “significant” and “legally binding” changes to the backstop and that this would necessitate the reopening of the withdrawal agreement.
Porsche asks UK buyers to commit to 10% no-deal Brexit surcharge
Porsche is asking British customers to sign a contract committing them to pay a surcharge of up to 10% of their vehicles’ purchase price if there is a no-deal Brexit. Cars made in Europe could attract tariffs of 10% if imported to the UK under the terms of the World Trade Organization, the default trading relationship if the UK and the EU are unable to agree a transition period before 29 March
Video Ian Murray on Labour splits over Brexit policy A Labour MP is asked about divisions in the party and reports some may leave the party over its handling of Brexit and anti-Semitism claims. Ian Murray told Jo Coburn on Politics Live that a lot of his colleagues were "pretty fed up" and was asked if he was on the verge of leaving.
Brexit: Leaving EU with no deal 'very adverse', says Gauke
Leaving the European Union with no deal would have a "very adverse" effect on the UK, the justice secretary has said. David Gauke said he hoped a deal would be struck within the next 10 days, but if not the government should "act responsibly". But DUP deputy leader Nigel Dodds has insisted no deal was better than a bad deal Mr Gauke warned on BBC Radio 4's Today programme of "very grave concerns" for the UK's economy, security and the union itself if the UK leaves without a deal. "Leaving without a deal would have a very adverse effect, to put it mildly, on our economy, on our security and on the integrity of the union," he said.
"I have very grave concerns about the consequences of leaving without a deal
Flybmi airline blames ‘Brexit uncertainty’ as it cancels operations and files for administration
Flybmi has become the latest airline casualty, leaving thousands of passengers stranded and many more with now-worthless advance reservations. The loss-making carrier, based at East Midlands airport, said that it has ceased operations and is filing for administration. A spokesperson for Flybmi said: “It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement today. The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs. "These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe.
“It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement today. The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU’s recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme. These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe and lack of confidence around bmi’s ability to continue flying between destinations in Europe. Additionally, our situation mirrors wider difficulties in the regional airline industry which have been well documented.
“Against this background, it has become impossible for the airline’s shareholders to continue their extensive programme of funding into the business, despite investment totalling over £40m in the last six years. We sincerely regret that this course of action has become the only option open to us, but the challenges, particularly those created by Brexit, have proven to be insurmountable."
^^^^ From their website .....people will no doubt wish to look at the full list of excuses , rather than just the , lets blame Brexit uncertainty scapegoat.
“It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement today. The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU’s recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme. These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe and lack of confidence around bmi’s ability to continue flying between destinations in Europe. Additionally, our situation mirrors wider difficulties in the regional airline industry which have been well documented.
“Against this background, it has become impossible for the airline’s shareholders to continue their extensive programme of funding into the business, despite investment totalling over £40m in the last six years. We sincerely regret that this course of action has become the only option open to us, but the challenges, particularly those created by Brexit, have proven to be insurmountable."
^^^^ From their website .....people will no doubt wish to look at the full list of excuses , rather than just the , lets blame Brexit uncertainty scapegoat.
The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs. "These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe
Theresa May issues plea to Conservatives to unite over Brexit
Theresa May has issued a fresh plea to Conservative MPs to unite and deliver on Brexit, urging her party to “move beyond what divides us” and sacrifice “personal preferences”. The prime minister’s rallying cry follows another tumultuous week in Westminster that saw tensions in the Tory party reach boiling point, with one of her ministers accusing his Eurosceptic colleagues of “treachery”. May, in a letter to all 317 Conservative MPs after her Brexit plans suffered another humiliating Commons defeat on Valentine’s Day, said the result was “disappointing” but vowed the government would continue its work to secure changes to the Irish border backstop.
She announced that she will return to Brussels for further talks with European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, next week, and revealed plans to speak to the leaders of every EU member state over the coming days. Meanwhile, Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, will meet the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, on Monday to discuss the proposals of the “alternative arrangements working group” of Tories, who have been seeking a compromise solution to avoid the need for backstop.
Brexit 'airbags' being tested by business with 40 days to exit day - KPMG
"Time is a luxury we no longer have, so people are bracing themselves for the immediate potential impacts." "After a slew of poor economic data, and Brexit uncertainty stretching a long way beyond the point most people had anticipated, the mood of business is darkening," Stewart said.
KPMG said its sees the probability of the United Kingdom leaving with a Brexit deal of some kind at around 55 percent; the chances of a no-deal Brexit at around 30 percent; and the chances of no Brexit at 15 percent.
A prominent Brexiteer is planning to avoid up to £4bn in UK taxes after moving his home and money to Monaco, the Sunday Times reports on its front page. Sir Jim Radcliffe - who built up the chemicals giant Ineos and is Britain's richest man - has been working with accountants PwC on a "labyrinthine" tax avoidance plan, a source told the paper. The front of the newspaper also features claims that Brexit supporting Conservative MPs have rejected attempts by Theresa May to get them to back her deal for leaving the EU.
It quotes leaked WhatsApp messages from the deputy chairman of the European Research Group of Tory MPs, Steve Baker, saying it insists the so-called backstop - to prevent the return of a hard border in Ireland - be removed from the Withdrawal Agreement. He says a failure to do so would lead to a split in the party.
Right , its a bit early for a serious question , but I will leave you this one before I go out walking for the day .....How do you think Brexit will negatively affect you personally ?
Theresa May’s Brexit unity plea shattered by leaked WhatsApp messages
Theresa May made a desperate appeal for unity this weekend as a leader of the party’s hardline Eurosceptic wing warned that continuing with her Brexit deal risked splitting the Conservative Party. The prime minister wrote to all 317 Tory MPs yesterday urging them to back her deal by sacrificing “personal preferences” to unite in the “higher service of the national interest”. The letter was sent hours after The Sunday Times received leaked WhatsApp messages revealing that Steve Baker, the deputy chairman of the 100-strong European Research Group (ERG), told colleagues that May’s Brexit negotiations with Brussels were a “complete waste of time”. In a message on Friday, Baker said Downing Street and Brussels were pretending to negotiate while “working together to run down the clock…
EU BLACKMAIL: Brussels threatens FOOD AID to UK in 'last throw of dice of Project Fear'
THE EU is planning to send food aid to feed Britain’s poor in the event of a no deal Brexit, sources in Brussels have revealed.
The bizarre European Commission plan involves sending food parcels to British food banks for the needy from the EU’s wine lakes and food mountains of surpluses produced by the protective measures in the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Tory Brexiteers last night branded the proposal “the last throw of the dice of Project Fear by EU blackmailers” hoping to scare Britons’ into changing their minds and remaining. There was also a warning that it indicates that the EU might try to illegally block food being sold to Britain if it leaves without a formal deal.
Flybmi airline blames ‘Brexit uncertainty’ as it cancels operations and files for administration
Flybmi has become the latest airline casualty, leaving thousands of passengers stranded and many more with now-worthless advance reservations. The loss-making carrier, based at East Midlands airport, said that it has ceased operations and is filing for administration. A spokesperson for Flybmi said: “It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement today. The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs. "These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe.
Right , its a bit early for a serious question , but I will leave you this one before I go out walking for the day .....How do you think Brexit will negatively affect you personally ?
I think it impossible to properly answer this question, until a deal is done, or not done.
Nearly three years since the referendum, and we still have no idea what any deal may look like, or even if there will be a deal.
We do know that no deal means disaster.
We also know that every Brexit option damages our economy.
Any damage to the economy, usually means more tax. This is likely to make those of us that haven't moved to Monaco, or bank off shore, worse off.
My views are based on what I think is best for the country, unlike many of our politicians.
Job losses seem inevitable, and the future of things like manufacturing, farming etc, are in doubt.
I think that many of the arguments used by the leave side, are just untrue. The so called benefits of leaving don't ring true to me.
Many politicians have completely unbalanced views, where taking control of our borders may really mean no control or no borders.
We seem to have a completely biased view of Freedom of Movement. We only see it in terms of immigration, and never in terms of the rights, and freedoms it gives us.
I think it is a sad state of affairs when every Brexiteer MP that appears on tv is keen to point out that 17.4 million people voted in favour of Brexit, but ask them about numbers of homeless people, those suffering mental health issues that cant get treated, those waiting for surgery in the NHS, and they wouldn't have a clue.
Brexit has given this Government an excuse for not addressing any of the Burning Injustices, that the PM referred to in her fist speech as PM.
This Government has botched Brexit, and done nothing else.
I will have to get back to you on a proper answer to the question, after we have done a deal, assuming I live that long.
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What will happen to heal the rift.
A no deal Brexit is unlikely to.
Neither will negotiating a trade deal with the EU for the next 10 years.
People are fed up with Brexit.
Yet we aren't even close to a solution.
11th hour parliamentary unity
Followed by endless years of Brexit negotiations, I don't think so.
There are also a number of imponderables.
A deal will be followed by a transition period and a number of years of trade negotiations.
During which time there could be a General Election.
This could mean a Labour Government, what happens then?
Or just a different Tory Prime Minister, same question?
Theresa May will be out of her no, no confidence vote period, this is another way of getting a new PM.
She is not going to stand at the next scheduled General Election, so we are likely to get a new PM before the negotiations are completed.
Either or both main parties could split.
On your hoped for solution, it is difficult at present to see how this may happen as,
The Tories have a slight majority if the DUP support them.
The DUP will not support The Backstop.
The ERG wont support The Backstop.
The EU and the Irish wont remove The Backstop.
The SNP and Lib Dems, are both adamant that they wont vote for anything that is not a second referendum.
The Labour Party are after a Customs Union amongst other things.
The Tories wont wear a Customs Union at any price.
The DUP hate Labour almost as much as The Backstop, but not quite.
There are a small number of rebels on both sides, but not enough to make a real difference.
A radical change is required, but seems unlikely at present.
The chancellor will not visit China after Beijing reacted with fury to the defence secretary Gavin Williamson’s plan to send a British aircraft carrier to the country’s backyard.
Philip Hammond was expected to undertake the trade mission next week – a vital part of efforts to build the UK’s global trading links ahead of Brexit – but the Treasury announced he will not go.
It follows Mr Williamson’s “gunboat diplomacy”, when he announced HMS Queen Elizabeth would be sent to the Pacific and that Britain was prepared to use “lethal” force to deter countries that “flout international law”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/chancellor-will-not-make-trade-trip-to-china-next-week-amid-fury-at-gavin-williamson-pledge-to-send-aircraft-carrier/ar-BBTFgvw?ocid=spartandhp
Bloomberg) -- British Prime Minister Theresa May’s officials are preparing to compromise on their demands for a re-write of the Brexit agreement, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The U.K. government is watering down its request for changes to the contentious Irish border “backstop” arrangement as set out in the text of the divorce deal that May struck with the European Union last year.
Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay told the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, during a private meeting Monday that the government is not pursuing a reopening of the withdrawal agreement. That’s likely to enrage the pro-Brexit members of May’s Conservative Party who say the backstop is unacceptable.
While the stance could help the premier get concessions from Brussels, it risks making the agreement more difficult to sell to members of Parliament in London.
The EU has consistently rejected the possibility of renegotiating the deal that was struck between the two sides in November, even though U.K. lawmakers last month voted in favor of sending May back to try to do so.
May told members of Parliament after their vote last month there needed to be “significant” and “legally binding” changes to the backstop and that this would necessitate the reopening of the withdrawal agreement.
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/u-k-set-tell-eu-075227703.html
Porsche is asking British customers to sign a contract committing them to pay a surcharge of up to 10% of their vehicles’ purchase price if there is a no-deal Brexit.
Cars made in Europe could attract tariffs of 10% if imported to the UK under the terms of the World Trade Organization, the default trading relationship if the UK and the EU are unable to agree a transition period before 29 March
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/porsche-asks-uk-buyers-commit-180427736.html
Ian Murray on Labour splits over Brexit policy
A Labour MP is asked about divisions in the party and reports some may leave the party over its handling of Brexit and anti-Semitism claims.
Ian Murray told Jo Coburn on Politics Live that a lot of his colleagues were "pretty fed up" and was asked if he was on the verge of leaving.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47257543/ian-murray-on-labour-splits-over-brexit-policy
Leaving the European Union with no deal would have a "very adverse" effect on the UK, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said he hoped a deal would be struck within the next 10 days, but if not the government should "act responsibly".
But DUP deputy leader Nigel Dodds has insisted no deal was better than a bad deal
Mr Gauke warned on BBC Radio 4's Today programme of "very grave concerns" for the UK's economy, security and the union itself if the UK leaves without a deal.
"Leaving without a deal would have a very adverse effect, to put it mildly, on our economy, on our security and on the integrity of the union," he said.
"I have very grave concerns about the consequences of leaving without a deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47266123
Flybmi has become the latest airline casualty, leaving thousands of passengers stranded and many more with now-worthless advance reservations.
The loss-making carrier, based at East Midlands airport, said that it has ceased operations and is filing for administration.
A spokesperson for Flybmi said: “It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement today. The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs.
"These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/flybmi-airline-blames-brexit-uncertainty-192100507.html
“Against this background, it has become impossible for the airline’s shareholders to continue their extensive programme of funding into the business, despite investment totalling over £40m in the last six years. We sincerely regret that this course of action has become the only option open to us, but the challenges, particularly those created by Brexit, have proven to be insurmountable."
^^^^ From their website .....people will no doubt wish to look at the full list of excuses , rather than just the , lets blame Brexit uncertainty scapegoat.
The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs.
"These issues have undermined efforts to move the airline into profit. Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe
Theresa May has issued a fresh plea to Conservative MPs to unite and deliver on Brexit, urging her party to “move beyond what divides us” and sacrifice “personal preferences”.
The prime minister’s rallying cry follows another tumultuous week in Westminster that saw tensions in the Tory party reach boiling point, with one of her ministers accusing his Eurosceptic colleagues of “treachery”.
May, in a letter to all 317 Conservative MPs after her Brexit plans suffered another humiliating Commons defeat on Valentine’s Day, said the result was “disappointing” but vowed the government would continue its work to secure changes to the Irish border backstop.
She announced that she will return to Brussels for further talks with European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, next week, and revealed plans to speak to the leaders of every EU member state over the coming days.
Meanwhile, Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, will meet the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, on Monday to discuss the proposals of the “alternative arrangements working group” of Tories, who have been seeking a compromise solution to avoid the need for backstop.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/theresa-may-issues-plea-to-conservatives-to-unite-over-brexit/ar-BBTGwNa?ocid=spartanntp
"Time is a luxury we no longer have, so people are bracing themselves for the immediate potential impacts."
"After a slew of poor economic data, and Brexit uncertainty stretching a long way beyond the point most people had anticipated, the mood of business is darkening," Stewart said.
KPMG said its sees the probability of the United Kingdom leaving with a Brexit deal of some kind at around 55 percent; the chances of a no-deal Brexit at around 30 percent; and the chances of no Brexit at 15 percent.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-airbags-being-tested-business-40-days-exit-000406104--business.html
Sir Jim Radcliffe - who built up the chemicals giant Ineos and is Britain's richest man - has been working with accountants PwC on a "labyrinthine" tax avoidance plan, a source told the paper.
The front of the newspaper also features claims that Brexit supporting Conservative MPs have rejected attempts by Theresa May to get them to back her deal for leaving the EU.
It quotes leaked WhatsApp messages from the deputy chairman of the European Research Group of Tory MPs, Steve Baker, saying it insists the so-called backstop - to prevent the return of a hard border in Ireland - be removed from the Withdrawal Agreement. He says a failure to do so would lead to a split in the party.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47268409
Theresa May made a desperate appeal for unity this weekend as a leader of the party’s hardline Eurosceptic wing warned that continuing with her Brexit deal risked splitting the Conservative Party.
The prime minister wrote to all 317 Tory MPs yesterday urging them to back her deal by sacrificing “personal preferences” to unite in the “higher service of the national interest”.
The letter was sent hours after The Sunday Times received leaked WhatsApp messages revealing that Steve Baker, the deputy chairman of the 100-strong European Research Group (ERG), told colleagues that May’s Brexit negotiations with Brussels were a “complete waste of time”.
In a message on Friday, Baker said Downing Street and Brussels were pretending to negotiate while “working together to run down the clock…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theresa-mays-brexit-unity-plea-shattered-by-leaked-whatsapp-messages-kq2dwlbgk
EU BLACKMAIL: Brussels threatens FOOD AID to UK in 'last throw of dice of Project Fear'
THE EU is planning to send food aid to feed Britain’s poor in the event of a no deal Brexit, sources in Brussels have revealed.
The bizarre European Commission plan involves sending food parcels to British food banks for the needy from the EU’s wine lakes and food mountains of surpluses produced by the protective measures in the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). Tory Brexiteers last night branded the proposal “the last throw of the dice of Project Fear by EU blackmailers” hoping to scare Britons’ into changing their minds and remaining. There was also a warning that it indicates that the EU might try to illegally block food being sold to Britain if it leaves without a formal deal.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1088265/Brexit-latest-news-eu-food-aid-no-deal-brexit-eu-news
Nearly three years since the referendum, and we still have no idea what any deal may look like, or even if there will be a deal.
We do know that no deal means disaster.
We also know that every Brexit option damages our economy.
Any damage to the economy, usually means more tax. This is likely to make those of us that haven't moved to Monaco, or bank off shore, worse off.
My views are based on what I think is best for the country, unlike many of our politicians.
Job losses seem inevitable, and the future of things like manufacturing, farming etc, are in doubt.
I think that many of the arguments used by the leave side, are just untrue. The so called benefits of leaving don't ring true to me.
Many politicians have completely unbalanced views, where taking control of our borders may really mean no control or no borders.
We seem to have a completely biased view of Freedom of Movement. We only see it in terms of immigration, and never in terms of the rights, and freedoms it gives us.
I think it is a sad state of affairs when every Brexiteer MP that appears on tv is keen to point out that 17.4 million people voted in favour of Brexit, but ask them about numbers of homeless people, those suffering mental health issues that cant get treated, those waiting for surgery in the NHS, and they wouldn't have a clue.
Brexit has given this Government an excuse for not addressing any of the Burning Injustices, that the PM referred to in her fist speech as PM.
This Government has botched Brexit, and done nothing else.
I will have to get back to you on a proper answer to the question, after we have done a deal, assuming I live that long.