I am not sure which bit you don't understand. How is it possible to know the effect of a deal until it is actually agreed? Secondly, what I have clearly said is that Government projections have pointed to each Brexit option damaging the economy. It is not me saying that it is our Government. Jobs have been clearly lost already.
So you haven't put forward your own opinions at all then , just to be clear , is that what you are saying ? You haven't said that Brexit would be bad for the uk ? If your answer to both of the above is no , then you should be able to formulate a basic answer on how it will negatively effect you .
I have said that Brexit will be bad for the UK,
The Chancellor has said Brexit will be bad for the UK.
How bad will depend on what the deal is.
We haven't even started to negotiate the future terms and conditions.
I am arguing, as I have said a number of times that it will be bad for the UK.
I don't think it possible to illustrate how it will affect each of us personally until the deal is done, and the full effects become known.
It is enough for me to know that the Governments own projections show that each Brexit option will damage the economy.
The effects of a no deal will be far worse than if a deal is done.
Each of the options will have a better or worse effect.
I did make it clear in my original post that I thought it was a bad move for our country.
My views are based on what I think is best for the country, unlike many of our politicians.
Job losses seem inevitable, and the future of things like manufacturing, farming etc, are in doubt.
I think that many of the arguments used by the leave side, are just untrue. The so called benefits of leaving don't ring true to me.
Many politicians have completely unbalanced views, where taking control of our borders may really mean no control or no borders.
We seem to have a completely biased view of Freedom of Movement. We only see it in terms of immigration, and never in terms of the rights, and freedoms it gives us.
I'm just asking you to tell us in your opinion how things will negatively impact you post Brexit ( not asking you to provide substantiative facts ) .....for example the price of the pound and possible extra travel fees for travelling to Europe ...If you holiday abroad a fair bit , then one could reasonably expect you to say imo , the cost of my holidays will be dearer. If you believe prices of goods will generally go up post brexit , then if you believe that , it would be reasonable for you to say my weekly shop will be more expensive ....the list goes on and clearly mirrors some of the views and projections you have championed ..yet you seem unprepared to publish an opinion now on how you might be affected .
As you are clearly saying I have already done this. The full extent will not be known until the deal is done.
I would go along with this, but still feel that we wont know in full until a deal is done or not done.
It is not guaranteed Brexit would mean full control of who enters the country. Norway and Switzerland accept free movement of people in order to trade with EU countries. EU migrants contributed an estimated £20billion to our economy from 2001 to 2011. Experts say if we close the door to the two million working here we will have to allow other migration to fill their places.
As part of the world’s largest free market, one million UK firms can export to the EU without tariffs – and whisky exports to India, for example, carry a 150% tariff. If we quit we would have to renegotiate an EU trade deal and strike fresh terms with 53 states covered by EU deals. It is said that as a bloc we have more clout than if we negotiated alone so there is no guarantee we would get the same terms.
The right to maternity leave and paid holidays plus rights of part-time workers are all protected by EU law. These may be at risk – some Brexiteers have called for the regulatory burden on firms to be halved. It is not certain a post- Brexit government would reintroduce these rights. The 48-hour limit on time at work and part-time workers’ right to a pension both result from EU membership.
The benefit of membership is worth an estimated £91billion, with three million UK jobs linked to our trade with the EU. The Bank of England has warned leaving could tip us into recession. Up to 950,000 jobs could be lost, households could be £4,300 a year poorer by 2030 and unions say weekly pay could fall £38. A 0.6% dip in the economy would cost £8billion.
Leaving could see £32,000 wiped off the average pensioner’s wealth if the stock market falls plus pension incomes could be hit by a rise in inflation caused by a weaker pound. The Treasury says higher inflation after Brexit would erode state pension increases, costing £137 a year. David Cameron said the triple lock, which guarantees a 2.5%-a-year rise, could be at risk.
The majority of major firms want the UK to stay in, including BAE, easyJet, BT, Marks & Spencer and Vodafone. Hitachi warned Brexit would mean it rethinking its investment in Britain , putting jobs in danger. Financial and service sectors would also be at risk while car manufacturers would face higher tariffs when they export. Many firms only invest in the UK because they see us as the gateway to the EU.
Beaches, air, rivers and countryside are cleaner, thanks to EU laws, which have also phased out inefficient lightbulbs to cut energy bills and improved car fuel efficiency to cut petrol and diesel costs. The RSPB, Friends of the Earth and WWF say being in the EU makes it easier for international collaboration on climate change and emissions.
UK food and farming exports to the EU are worth £11.4 billion a year, with 76,000 agriculture jobs linked to EU trade. Farmers’ Weekly says we depend on migrant labour and controls will make harvests harder, raising costs. The EU gives £3billion a year in subsidies and protects 64 UK goods – cheese and pork pies included. Leaving could mean tariffs on our fishing exports, hitting incomes and raising prices.
Being in the EU saves families £350 a year through cheap goods and consumer protection. The cost of using your phone abroad would go up as the EU has capped data roaming charges. UK citizens are cover by European health insurance. The cost of a summer holiday to the Med would go up by as much as £230 as the value of the pound would fall. EasyJet says the EU cut the cost of flying by 40%.
Britain is represented in the European Parliament and on the Council of Ministers. Only around 15% of our laws come from Brussels and they cover areas such as consumer rights and workers’ rights which are welcomed by most people. Britain wins the majority of votes on the Council. We could lose sovereignty if we end up negotiating a new trade deal with the EU, one in which we will have no say at the table on how it is implemented.
Brexit: Food prices to rise up to 20% 'virtually instantaneously' after leaving EU, warns Birds Eye boss
A no-deal Brexit will lead “virtually instantaneously” to price rises on popular food products in shops, the head of Birds Eye in the UK has warned. The frozen food specialist's managing director for the UK and Ireland, Wayne Hudson, said manufacturers would have to pass tariffs of up to 20 per cent on to retailers, who would themselves have to decide how much of the extra cost to pass on to shoppers. Mr Hudson said the uncertainty around Brexit was “seriously delaying our ambitious plans for continued growth” and imposing additional costs, with four of the company's senior executives focused entirely on contingency planning. It remains unclear whether EU27 countries will be “accommodating” to exports of UK manufacturers' products after Brexit, he warned.
Regarding Flybmi 's closure : Travel expert Simon Calder went to the heart of the problem when he told the BBC that the airline industry's problem is: "There are simply too many seats and not enough people."
Regarding Flybmi 's closure : Travel expert Simon Calder went to the heart of the problem when he told the BBC that the airline industry's problem is: "There are simply too many seats and not enough people."
"THRIVING"
Labour: Brexit problems 'insurmountable'
Shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald asks why the airline was allowed to continue selling tickets "only hours" before going into administration. He asks if the Department for Transport was aware of financial problems at the airline. He says that challenges posed for the airline by Brexit proved to be "insurmountable", and asks when ministers will "wake up to the truth" that their approach to leaving the EU is damaging the country. Transport Minister Nusrat Ghani says information is available on the Civil Aviation Authority website to advise passengers on how they can get home. There are over 300 staff who have been impacted, but other airlines are trying to explore how to rescue staff, she adds. The aviation sector in the UK is "thriving" but "it is a very tricky sector to be in," she adds.
Regarding Flybmi 's closure : Travel expert Simon Calder went to the heart of the problem when he told the BBC that the airline industry's problem is: "There are simply too many seats and not enough people."
"THRIVING"
Labour: Brexit problems 'insurmountable'
Shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald asks why the airline was allowed to continue selling tickets "only hours" before going into administration. He asks if the Department for Transport was aware of financial problems at the airline. He says that challenges posed for the airline by Brexit proved to be "insurmountable", and asks when ministers will "wake up to the truth" that their approach to leaving the EU is damaging the country. Transport Minister Nusrat Ghani says information is available on the Civil Aviation Authority website to advise passengers on how they can get home. There are over 300 staff who have been impacted, but other airlines are trying to explore how to rescue staff, she adds. The aviation sector in the UK is "thriving" but "it is a very tricky sector to be in," she adds.
Regarding Flybmi 's closure : Travel expert Simon Calder went to the heart of the problem when he told the BBC that the airline industry's problem is: "There are simply too many seats and not enough people."
"THRIVING"
Labour: Brexit problems 'insurmountable'
Shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald asks why the airline was allowed to continue selling tickets "only hours" before going into administration. He asks if the Department for Transport was aware of financial problems at the airline. He says that challenges posed for the airline by Brexit proved to be "insurmountable", and asks when ministers will "wake up to the truth" that their approach to leaving the EU is damaging the country. Transport Minister Nusrat Ghani says information is available on the Civil Aviation Authority website to advise passengers on how they can get home. There are over 300 staff who have been impacted, but other airlines are trying to explore how to rescue staff, she adds. The aviation sector in the UK is "thriving" but "it is a very tricky sector to be in," she adds.
Regarding Flybmi 's closure : Travel expert Simon Calder went to the heart of the problem when he told the BBC that the airline industry's problem is: "There are simply too many seats and not enough people."
"THRIVING"
Labour: Brexit problems 'insurmountable'
Shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald asks why the airline was allowed to continue selling tickets "only hours" before going into administration. He asks if the Department for Transport was aware of financial problems at the airline. He says that challenges posed for the airline by Brexit proved to be "insurmountable", and asks when ministers will "wake up to the truth" that their approach to leaving the EU is damaging the country. Transport Minister Nusrat Ghani says information is available on the Civil Aviation Authority website to advise passengers on how they can get home. There are over 300 staff who have been impacted, but other airlines are trying to explore how to rescue staff, she adds. The aviation sector in the UK is "thriving" but "it is a very tricky sector to be in," she adds.
Blame Brexit? UK faces threat of 8,000 lost car manufacturing jobs
Thousands of car manufacturing jobs are expected to disappear in the UK in the coming years and industry insiders say Brexit is a big part of the problem. At the start of 2019, Jaguar Land Rover announced plans to cut 4,500 jobs, or about 10% of its workforce. Ford (F) said at the same time that it would cut thousands of jobs in Europe, but did not provide UK-specific plans. Now, Honda is looking to shutter its Swindon factory, with expectations that this could affect another 3,500 jobs. Honda (HMC) declined to confirm that it was planning to close its UK hub, which was first reported on Monday by Sky News. But local North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson said on Monday that Honda was moving its production back to Japan in 2021. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/blame-brexit-uk-faces-threat-8000-lost-car-manufacturing-jobs-170615558.html
Once I've learnt to say it, I'll be a lot happier though. I've tried about 15 times, & the word just does not work for me. So here's what Mr Google says;
Once I've learnt to say it, I'll be a lot happier though. I've tried about 15 times, & the word just does not work for me. So here's what Mr Google says;
o-toe-RHINO-lair-en-gall-o-gee
Ear,Nose & Throat specialist is much easier to say...
Tom Watson Issues Stark Warning To Jeremy Corbyn As Seven MPs Quit Labour
Tom Watson has hit out at the “hard-left” in Labour and told Jeremy Corbyn to reshuffle his frontbench team to include MPs from across the party. The intervention of Labour’s deputy leader came after seven MPs, including Luciana Berger and Chuka Umunna, quit the party in protest at Corbyn’s leadership. “I love this party, but sometimes I no longer recognise it,” Watson said in a video message on Monday afternoon. “We are losing members and now losing MPs.”
Watson said Labour under Corbyn had “yet to convince the nation” it had answers to the “troubling questions” facing the country – including Brexit. “The frontbench once again needs to reflect the balance of opinion within the Parliamentary Labour Party,” he said.
Addressing the decision of MPs to quit the party, Watson warned more could follow. “I confess I feared this day would come. And I fear now, that unless we change, we may see more days like this,” he said. “There are those who are already celebrating the departure of colleagues with whom they disagree.
'We're f***ed': BBC accidentally broadcasts audience comments during Labour split press conference
The BBC’s coverage of the press conference where seven MPs announced they were leaving the Labour Party accidentally included audio of disparaging comments by an audience member. As Chukka Umunna spoke from the podium, the unidentified commentator could be heard saying: “It’s mad.” During Luciana Berger’s speech the person commented again, saying: “Not gonna lie, like this and Brexit… we’re actually f***ed.
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The full extent will not be known until the deal is done.
The Labour Party just fell apart.
It is not guaranteed Brexit would mean full control of who enters the country. Norway and Switzerland accept free movement of people in order to trade with EU countries.
EU migrants contributed an estimated £20billion to our economy from 2001 to 2011. Experts say if we close the door to the two million working here we will have to allow other migration to fill their places.
As part of the world’s largest free market, one million UK firms can export to the EU without tariffs – and whisky exports to India, for example, carry a 150% tariff.
If we quit we would have to renegotiate an EU trade deal and strike fresh terms with 53 states covered by EU deals.
It is said that as a bloc we have more clout than if we negotiated alone so there is no guarantee we would get the same terms.
The right to maternity leave and paid holidays plus rights of part-time workers are all protected by EU law. These may be at risk – some Brexiteers have called for the regulatory burden on firms to be halved.
It is not certain a post- Brexit government would reintroduce these rights.
The 48-hour limit on time at work and part-time workers’ right to a pension both result from EU membership.
The benefit of membership is worth an estimated £91billion, with three million UK jobs linked to our trade with the EU.
The Bank of England has warned leaving could tip us into recession. Up to 950,000 jobs could be lost, households could be £4,300 a year poorer by 2030 and unions say weekly pay could fall £38. A 0.6% dip in the economy would cost £8billion.
Leaving could see £32,000 wiped off the average pensioner’s wealth if the stock market falls plus pension incomes could be hit by a rise in inflation caused by a weaker pound.
The Treasury says higher inflation after Brexit would erode state pension increases, costing £137 a year. David Cameron said the triple lock, which guarantees a 2.5%-a-year rise, could be at risk.
The majority of major firms want the UK to stay in, including BAE, easyJet, BT, Marks & Spencer and Vodafone.
Hitachi warned Brexit would mean it rethinking its investment in Britain , putting jobs in danger.
Financial and service sectors would also be at risk while car manufacturers would face higher tariffs when they export. Many firms only invest in the UK because they see us as the gateway to the EU.
Beaches, air, rivers and countryside are cleaner, thanks to EU laws, which have also phased out inefficient lightbulbs to cut energy bills and improved car fuel efficiency to cut petrol and diesel costs.
The RSPB, Friends of the Earth and WWF say being in the EU makes it easier for international collaboration on climate change and emissions.
UK food and farming exports to the EU are worth £11.4 billion a year, with 76,000 agriculture jobs linked to EU trade.
Farmers’ Weekly says we depend on migrant labour and controls will make harvests harder, raising costs. The EU gives £3billion a year in subsidies and protects 64 UK goods – cheese and pork pies included. Leaving could mean tariffs on our fishing exports, hitting incomes and raising prices.
Being in the EU saves families £350 a year through cheap goods and consumer protection. The cost of using your phone abroad would go up as the EU has capped data roaming charges.
UK citizens are cover by European health insurance. The cost of a summer holiday to the Med would go up by as much as £230 as the value of the pound would fall. EasyJet says the EU cut the cost of flying by 40%.
Britain is represented in the European Parliament and on the Council of Ministers.
Only around 15% of our laws come from Brussels and they cover areas such as consumer rights and workers’ rights which are welcomed by most people. Britain wins the majority of votes on the Council.
We could lose sovereignty if we end up negotiating a new trade deal with the EU, one in which we will have no say at the table on how it is implemented.
A no-deal Brexit will lead “virtually instantaneously” to price rises on popular food products in shops, the head of Birds Eye in the UK has warned.
The frozen food specialist's managing director for the UK and Ireland, Wayne Hudson, said manufacturers would have to pass tariffs of up to 20 per cent on to retailers, who would themselves have to decide how much of the extra cost to pass on to shoppers.
Mr Hudson said the uncertainty around Brexit was “seriously delaying our ambitious plans for continued growth” and imposing additional costs, with four of the company's senior executives focused entirely on contingency planning.
It remains unclear whether EU27 countries will be “accommodating” to exports of UK manufacturers' products after Brexit, he warned.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-food-prices-rise-20-093300740.html
Class words from Dutch MEP, even quoting SIR WINSTON CHURCHILL.
GREAT BRITAIN LEADS THE WORLD FOLLOWS.
"THRIVING"
Labour: Brexit problems 'insurmountable'
Shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald asks why the airline was allowed to continue selling tickets "only hours" before going into administration.
He asks if the Department for Transport was aware of financial problems at the airline.
He says that challenges posed for the airline by Brexit proved to be "insurmountable", and asks when ministers will "wake up to the truth" that their approach to leaving the EU is damaging the country.
Transport Minister Nusrat Ghani says information is available on the Civil Aviation Authority website to advise passengers on how they can get home.
There are over 300 staff who have been impacted, but other airlines are trying to explore how to rescue staff, she adds.
The aviation sector in the UK is "thriving" but "it is a very tricky sector to be in," she adds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47279812
Those that are extreme Brexit supporters swear that any bad news, has got absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
The hardliners on the other side maintain that it has been caused by Brexit.
While the moderates are more likely to say it was partly down to Brexit, but there were other contributory factors.
I would consider myself a moderate.
However there does seem to be more regular instances, of jobs being lost, businesses relocating, and general bad news surrounding the economy.
Thousands of car manufacturing jobs are expected to disappear in the UK in the coming years and industry insiders say Brexit is a big part of the problem.
At the start of 2019, Jaguar Land Rover announced plans to cut 4,500 jobs, or about 10% of its workforce. Ford (F) said at the same time that it would cut thousands of jobs in Europe, but did not provide UK-specific plans. Now, Honda is looking to shutter its Swindon factory, with expectations that this could affect another 3,500 jobs.
Honda (HMC) declined to confirm that it was planning to close its UK hub, which was first reported on Monday by Sky News. But local North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson said on Monday that Honda was moving its production back to Japan in 2021.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/blame-brexit-uk-faces-threat-8000-lost-car-manufacturing-jobs-170615558.html
To save those with a thirst for knowledge wondering what that is, here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otorhinolaryngology
So I now know what it is.
Once I've learnt to say it, I'll be a lot happier though. I've tried about 15 times, & the word just does not work for me. So here's what Mr Google says;
o-toe-RHINO-lair-en-gall-o-gee
^^^^
Ha, yes, or as it used to be called I think ENT.
Tom Watson has hit out at the “hard-left” in Labour and told Jeremy Corbyn to reshuffle his frontbench team to include MPs from across the party.
The intervention of Labour’s deputy leader came after seven MPs, including Luciana Berger and Chuka Umunna, quit the party in protest at Corbyn’s leadership.
“I love this party, but sometimes I no longer recognise it,” Watson said in a video message on Monday afternoon. “We are losing members and now losing MPs.”
Watson said Labour under Corbyn had “yet to convince the nation” it had answers to the “troubling questions” facing the country – including Brexit.
“The frontbench once again needs to reflect the balance of opinion within the Parliamentary Labour Party,” he said.
Addressing the decision of MPs to quit the party, Watson warned more could follow.
“I confess I feared this day would come. And I fear now, that unless we change, we may see more days like this,” he said.
“There are those who are already celebrating the departure of colleagues with whom they disagree.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/tom-watson-issues-stark-warning-to-jeremy-corbyn-as-seven-mps-quit-labour/ar-BBTLvz0?ocid=spartandhp
The BBC’s coverage of the press conference where seven MPs announced they were leaving the Labour Party accidentally included audio of disparaging comments by an audience member.
As Chukka Umunna spoke from the podium, the unidentified commentator could be heard saying: “It’s mad.”
During Luciana Berger’s speech the person commented again, saying: “Not gonna lie, like this and Brexit… we’re actually f***ed.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fed-bbc-accidentally-broadcasts-audience-comments-labour-split-press-conference-121951548.html