Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
So its ok to breach the Official Secrets Act?
Alleged breach. ...next !
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
So its ok to breach the Official Secrets Act?
Alleged breach. ...next !
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I must apologise, I just glanced at this, and didn't click on the link. I stupidly thought Tikay was referring to Gavin Williamson.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
So its ok to breach the Official Secrets Act?
Alleged breach. ...next !
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I must apologise, I just glanced at this, and didn't click on the link. I stupidly thought Tikay was referring to Gavin Williamson.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
There's a much bigger picture here , than you wish to portray ...no great surprise there . Also no great surprise that once again you resort to calling people morons . Take some time off your high horse and actually read up about Julian Assange and the trumped up , US indictment and then come back with something other than insults and vitriole
The Justice Department crafted the charge to evade the constitutional concerns over the prosecution - and the unresolved status of Assange. By alleging that Assange was given a password and helped set up a cloud for Manning to share the data, the government is charging him not with the distribution of the material but actively participating in its theft.
However, the unsealed indictment in Alexandria, Virginia, is remarkably thin on evidence that Assange played such an active role or used the password in question.
Setting up a cloud for sharing information can easily be viewed as simply facilitating the anonymous disclosure from a source. Where reporters once arranged for drop spots, there are now digital equivalents for such exchanges.
Rather than exploring reasons and effort to reveal controversial intelligence operations, Assange could be forced to confine his defence to the more mundane charge of "computer intrusion".
Yet, the indictment is conspicuously thin on the evidence of that role. The government alleges that Manning gave "a portion" of a password "to crack" which "was stored as a 'hash value' in a computer file that was accessible only by users with administrative-level privileges".
However, the government then says not that Assange arranged to crack the code but only that "cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log onto the computers under a username that did not belong to her".
Such a measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to identify Manning as the source of disclosures of classified information.
Guantanamo Bay procedures A copy of Standard Operating Procedures for Camp Delta–the protocol of the U.S. Army at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp–dated March 2003 was released on the WikiLeaks website on 7 November 2007.[8] The document, named "gitmo-sop.pdf", is also mirrored at The Guardian.[9] Its release revealed some of the restrictions placed over detainees at the camp, including the designation of some prisoners as off-limits to the International Committee of the Red Cross, something that the U.S. military had in the past repeatedly denied.[10] It also showed that military dogs are used to intimidate prisoners, that children as young as 15 are held at Guantanamo and that new prisoners are held in isolation for two weeks to make them more pliable.[11][12]
On 3 December 2007, WikiLeaks released a copy of the 2004 edition of the manual,[13] together with a detailed analysis of the changes.[14]
Internet censorship lists WikiLeaks has published the lists of forbidden or illegal web addresses for several countries.
On 19 March 2009, WikiLeaks published what was alleged to be the Australian Communications and Media Authority's blacklist of sites to be banned under Australia's proposed laws on Internet censorship.[49] Reactions to the publication of the list by the Australian media and politicians were varied. Particular note was made by journalistic outlets of the type of websites on the list; while the Internet censorship scheme submitted by the Australian Labor Party in 2008 was proposed with the stated intention of preventing access to child **** and sites related to terrorism,[50] the list leaked on WikiLeaks contains a number of sites unrelated to sex crimes involving minors.[51][52] When questioned about the leak, Stephen Conroy, the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy in Australia's Rudd Labor Government, responded by claiming that the list was not the actual list, yet threatening to prosecute anyone involved in distributing it.[53] On 20 March 2009, WikiLeaks published an updated list, dated 18 March 2009; it more closely matches the claimed size of the ACMA blacklist, and contains two pages that have been independently confirmed as blacklisted by ACMA.
WikiLeaks also contains details of Internet censorship in Thailand, including lists of censored sites dating back to May 2006.[54]
Wikileaks published a list of web sites blacklisted by Denmark.[55]
Toxic dumping in Africa: The Minton report In September 2006, commodities giant Trafigura commissioned an internal report about a toxic dumping incident in the Ivory Coast,[65] which (according to the United Nations) affected 108,000 people. The document, called the Minton Report, names various harmful chemicals "likely to be present" in the waste and notes that some of them "may cause harm at some distance". The report states that potential health effects include "burns to the skin, eyes and lungs, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of consciousness and death", and suggests that the high number of reported casualties is "consistent with there having been a significant release of hydrogen sulphide gas".
On 11 September 2009, Trafigura's lawyers, Carter-Ruck, obtained a secret "super-injunction"[66] against The Guardian, banning that newspaper from publishing the contents of the document. Trafigura also threatened a number of other media organizations with legal action if they published the report's contents, including the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation[65] and The Chemical Engineer magazine.[67] On 14 September 2009, WikiLeaks posted the report.[68]
On 12 October, Carter-Ruck warned The Guardian against mentioning the content of a parliamentary question that was due to be asked about the report. Instead, the paper published an article stating that they were unable to report on an unspecified question and claiming that the situation appeared to "call into question privileges guaranteeing free speech established under the 1689 Bill of Rights".[69] The suppressed details rapidly circulated via the internet and Twitter[70][71] and, amid uproar, Carter-Ruck agreed the next day to the modification of the injunction before it was challenged in court, permitting The Guardian to reveal the existence of the question and the injunction.[72] The injunction was lifted on 16 October.[73]
Baghdad airstrike video Main article: 12 July 2007 Baghdad airstrike On 5 April 2010, WikiLeaks released classified U.S. military footage from a series of attacks on 12 July 2007 in Baghdad by a U.S. helicopter that killed 12–18 people,[88][89][90] including two Reuters news staff, Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen, on a website called "Collateral Murder". The attack also wounded others including two children who were in a van that was fired on when it came to collect the wounded men. The footage consisted of a 39-minute unedited version and an 18-minute version that had been edited and annotated. According to some media reports, the Reuters news staff were in the company of armed men[91][92][93] and the pilots may have thought Chmagh and Noor-Eldeen were carrying weapons (which was actually camera equipment). The footage includes audio from the American pilots during the shooting. After wounding two children one pilot says "Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle". [94] The military conducted an investigation into the incident and found there were two rocket propelled grenade launchers and one AK-47 among the dead.[95][96]
In the week following the release, "Wikileaks" was the search term with the most significant growth worldwide in the last seven days as measured by Google Insights.[97]
Chelsea Manning Main article: Chelsea Manning A 22-year-old US Army intelligence analyst, PFC (formerly SPC) Chelsea Manning (formerly Bradley Manning), was arrested after alleged chat logs were turned in to the authorities by former hacker Adrian Lamo, in whom she had confided. Manning reportedly told Lamo she had leaked the Baghdad airstrike video, in addition to a video of the Granai airstrike and around 260,000 diplomatic cables, to WikiLeaks.[98][99] WikiLeaks said "allegations in Wired that we have been sent 260,000 classified US embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect."[100] WikiLeaks have said that they are unable as yet to confirm whether or not Manning was actually the source of the video, stating "we never collect personal information on our sources", but that they have nonetheless "taken steps to arrange for (Manning's) protection and legal defence."[99][101] On 21 June Julian Assange told The Guardian that WikiLeaks had hired three US criminal lawyers to defend Manning but that they had not been given access to her.[102]
On 28 February 2013, Manning confessed in open court to providing vast archives of military and diplomatic files to WikiLeaks.[103] She pleaded guilty to 10 criminal counts in connection with the huge amount of material she leaked, which included videos of airstrikes in Iraq and Afghanistan in which civilians were killed, logs of military incident reports, assessment files of detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and a quarter-million cables from American diplomats stationed around the world.[103] She read a statement recounting how she joined the military, became an intelligence analyst in Iraq, decided that certain files should become known to the American public to prompt a wider debate about foreign policy, downloaded them from a secure computer network and then ultimately uploaded them to WikiLeaks.[103]
Manning reportedly wrote, "Everywhere there's a U.S. post, there's a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed."[104] According to The Washington Post, she also described the cables as "explaining how the first world exploits the third, in detail, from an internal perspective."[105] Guantanamo Bay files Main article: Guantanamo Bay files leak On 24 April 2011 WikiLeaks began a month-long release of 779 US Department of Defense documents about detainees at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[142]
Vault 7 Main article: Vault 7 In March 2017, WikiLeaks has published more than 8,000 documents on the CIA. The confidential documents, codenamed Vault 7, dated from 2013–2016, included details on the CIA's software capabilities, such as the ability to compromise cars, smart TVs,[185] web browsers (including Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Firefox, and Opera),[186][187][188] and the operating systems of most smartphones (including Apple's iOS and Google's Android), as well as other operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Linux.[189] WikiLeaks did not name the source, but said that the files had "circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive."[185]
Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
So its ok to breach the Official Secrets Act?
Alleged breach. ...next !
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I must apologise, I just glanced at this, and didn't click on the link. I stupidly thought Tikay was referring to Gavin Williamson.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
There's a much bigger picture here , than you wish to portray ...no great surprise there . Also no great surprise that once again you resort to calling people morons . Take some time off your high horse and actually read up about Julian Assange and the trumped up , US indictment and then come back with something other than insults and vitriole
What is much more predictable is that you completely miss the point yet again.
You are correct in saying that there is a much bigger picture, but it has nothing to do with Julian Assange.
The facts are as follows.
He is in jail because he breached his bail conditions, there is no doubt that he is guilty of this.
He has cost the taxpayer £16million so far.
The cowardly man went into hiding to avoid being extradited to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault charges.
These charges may now be resurrected.
The US charges came later.
As a woman, I would have thought that you might have been more sympathetic to the women that may have suffered at his hands.
Few innocent people go into hiding.
I think that to describe him as a moron is fair. The maximum jail sentence he could receive in the US is 5 years, and he has spent 7 years in one room in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
He may still face this punishment, in addition to the threat of being extradited to Sweden.
So maybe you could explain the benefit he has gained from spending 7 years in one room, riding a skateboard down a 4 foot step?
The bigger picture is that we have reciprocal extradition agreements with other countries. These agreements allow us to punish those that have committed crimes in this country, but have escaped abroad. It is in our interest to honour these agreements.
It is not up to us to determine innocence or guilt, but to merely honour the agreements. The courts in the country that the offenders are extradited to will decide on their guilt, or otherwise.
You may wish to read the article properly before commenting further.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
She said this had "undoubtedly" affected the progress of the Swedish proceedings. His continued residence at the embassy and bringing him to justice had cost taxpayers £16m, she added.
I did what I thought at the time was the best and perhaps the only thing that could be done - which I hoped might lead to a legal resolution being reached between Ecuador and Sweden that would protect me from the worst of my fears.
Whilst the difficulties I now face may have become even greater, nevertheless it is right for me to say this now.
He faces up to five years in a US prison if convicted.
Days later, Swedish prosecutors said they were considering reopening the investigation into rape and sexual assault allegations against him.
Prosecutors dropped the rape investigation in 2017 because they were unable to formally notify him of allegations while he was staying in the embassy. Two other charges of molestation and unlawful coercion had to be dropped in 2015 because time had run out.
August 2010 - The Swedish Prosecutor's Office first issues an arrest warrant for Mr Assange. It says there are two separate allegations - one of rape and one of molestation. Mr Assange says the claims are "without basis"
December 2010 - Mr Assange is arrested in London and bailed at the second attempt
May 2012 - The UK's Supreme Court rules he should be extradited to Sweden to face questioning over the allegations
June 2012 - Mr Assange enters the Ecuadorean embassy in London
January 2017 Outgoing US President Barack Obama commutes the prison sentence given to US army private Chelsea Manning for leaking classified documents to Wikileaks. Mr Assange says he stands by his offer to agree to be extradited to the US if Mr Obama granted clemency to Manning.
21 April 2017 US Attorney General Jeff Sessions says arresting Mr Assange is a priority. No charges have been filed against him in the US but US media outlets report that federal prosecutors are considering charges.
17 May 2017 Chelsea Manning is released from Fort Leavenworth military prison in Kansas.
Or you could be of the opinion , that governments will always try and find a way of silencing individuals from telling the world what they don't want people to know . People even get snatched away and silenced on internet forums for speaking out ...who would have thought Not hard to say which side I am on . Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
So its ok to breach the Official Secrets Act?
Alleged breach. ...next !
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I must apologise, I just glanced at this, and didn't click on the link. I stupidly thought Tikay was referring to Gavin Williamson.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
There's a much bigger picture here , than you wish to portray ...no great surprise there . Also no great surprise that once again you resort to calling people morons . Take some time off your high horse and actually read up about Julian Assange and the trumped up , US indictment and then come back with something other than insults and vitriole
What is much more predictable is that you completely miss the point yet again.
You are correct in saying that there is a much bigger picture, but it has nothing to do with Julian Assange.
The facts are as follows.
He is in jail because he breached his bail conditions, there is no doubt that he is guilty of this.
He has cost the taxpayer £16million so far.
The cowardly man went into hiding to avoid being extradited to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault charges.
These charges may now be resurrected.
The US charges came later.
As a woman, I would have thought that you might have been more sympathetic to the women that may have suffered at his hands.
Few innocent people go into hiding.
I think that to describe him as a moron is fair. The maximum jail sentence he could receive in the US is 5 years, and he has spent 7 years in one room in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
He may still face this punishment, in addition to the threat of being extradited to Sweden.
So maybe you could explain the benefit he has gained from spending 7 years in one room, riding a skateboard down a 4 foot step?
The bigger picture is that we have reciprocal extradition agreements with other countries. These agreements allow us to punish those that have committed crimes in this country, but have escaped abroad. It is in our interest to honour these agreements.
It is not up to us to determine innocence or guilt, but to merely honour the agreements. The courts in the country that the offenders are extradited to will decide on their guilt, or otherwise.
You may wish to read the article properly before commenting further.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
She said this had "undoubtedly" affected the progress of the Swedish proceedings. His continued residence at the embassy and bringing him to justice had cost taxpayers £16m, she added.
I did what I thought at the time was the best and perhaps the only thing that could be done - which I hoped might lead to a legal resolution being reached between Ecuador and Sweden that would protect me from the worst of my fears.
Whilst the difficulties I now face may have become even greater, nevertheless it is right for me to say this now.
He faces up to five years in a US prison if convicted.
Days later, Swedish prosecutors said they were considering reopening the investigation into rape and sexual assault allegations against him.
Prosecutors dropped the rape investigation in 2017 because they were unable to formally notify him of allegations while he was staying in the embassy. Two other charges of molestation and unlawful coercion had to be dropped in 2015 because time had run out.
August 2010 - The Swedish Prosecutor's Office first issues an arrest warrant for Mr Assange. It says there are two separate allegations - one of rape and one of molestation. Mr Assange says the claims are "without basis"
December 2010 - Mr Assange is arrested in London and bailed at the second attempt
May 2012 - The UK's Supreme Court rules he should be extradited to Sweden to face questioning over the allegations
June 2012 - Mr Assange enters the Ecuadorean embassy in London
January 2017 Outgoing US President Barack Obama commutes the prison sentence given to US army private Chelsea Manning for leaking classified documents to Wikileaks. Mr Assange says he stands by his offer to agree to be extradited to the US if Mr Obama granted clemency to Manning.
21 April 2017 US Attorney General Jeff Sessions says arresting Mr Assange is a priority. No charges have been filed against him in the US but US media outlets report that federal prosecutors are considering charges.
17 May 2017 Chelsea Manning is released from Fort Leavenworth military prison in Kansas.
You really aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture in anything are you ? People like you are happy to be fed horse sh it and kept in the dark , Julian Assange is a campaigner for truth.
This charmer also claimed that the Swedish sexual assaiult charges were caused by "a radical feminist conspiracy".
He also believed that Private Eye were conspiring against him.
Delusionist. Firm believer in "market libertarianism", but unwilling to go to Court or explain why all his information seems to be pro-Russian, or how "liberty" involves shadowy organisations giving him money to release information.
An Australian who has cost this country £16milly in police costs, and a fortune to that well-known wealthy country, Ecuador while refusing to appear in Court in THIS country. Still. at least Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump can agree on 1 thing...
This charmer also claimed that the Swedish sexual assaiult charges were caused by "a radical feminist conspiracy".
He also believed that Private Eye were conspiring against him.
Delusionist. Firm believer in "market libertarianism", but unwilling to go to Court or explain why all his information seems to be pro-Russian, or how "liberty" involves shadowy organisations giving him money to release information.
An Australian who has cost this country £16milly in police costs, and a fortune to that well-known wealthy country, Ecuador while refusing to appear in Court in THIS country. Still. at least Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump can agree on 1 thing...
This useless government has and will spend a lot more than that screwing up Brexit . 16 mill is a small price to pay for exposing slimeyness.
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I must apologise, I just glanced at this, and didn't click on the link. I stupidly thought Tikay was referring to Gavin Williamson.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
There's a much bigger picture here , than you wish to portray ...no great surprise there . Also no great surprise that once again you resort to calling people morons . Take some time off your high horse and actually read up about Julian Assange and the trumped up , US indictment and then come back with something other than insults and vitriole
What is much more predictable is that you completely miss the point yet again.
You are correct in saying that there is a much bigger picture, but it has nothing to do with Julian Assange.
The facts are as follows.
He is in jail because he breached his bail conditions, there is no doubt that he is guilty of this.
He has cost the taxpayer £16million so far.
The cowardly man went into hiding to avoid being extradited to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault charges.
These charges may now be resurrected.
The US charges came later.
As a woman, I would have thought that you might have been more sympathetic to the women that may have suffered at his hands.
Few innocent people go into hiding.
I think that to describe him as a moron is fair. The maximum jail sentence he could receive in the US is 5 years, and he has spent 7 years in one room in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
He may still face this punishment, in addition to the threat of being extradited to Sweden.
So maybe you could explain the benefit he has gained from spending 7 years in one room, riding a skateboard down a 4 foot step?
The bigger picture is that we have reciprocal extradition agreements with other countries. These agreements allow us to punish those that have committed crimes in this country, but have escaped abroad. It is in our interest to honour these agreements.
It is not up to us to determine innocence or guilt, but to merely honour the agreements. The courts in the country that the offenders are extradited to will decide on their guilt, or otherwise.
You may wish to read the article properly before commenting further.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
She said this had "undoubtedly" affected the progress of the Swedish proceedings. His continued residence at the embassy and bringing him to justice had cost taxpayers £16m, she added.
I did what I thought at the time was the best and perhaps the only thing that could be done - which I hoped might lead to a legal resolution being reached between Ecuador and Sweden that would protect me from the worst of my fears.
Whilst the difficulties I now face may have become even greater, nevertheless it is right for me to say this now.
He faces up to five years in a US prison if convicted.
Days later, Swedish prosecutors said they were considering reopening the investigation into rape and sexual assault allegations against him.
Prosecutors dropped the rape investigation in 2017 because they were unable to formally notify him of allegations while he was staying in the embassy. Two other charges of molestation and unlawful coercion had to be dropped in 2015 because time had run out.
August 2010 - The Swedish Prosecutor's Office first issues an arrest warrant for Mr Assange. It says there are two separate allegations - one of rape and one of molestation. Mr Assange says the claims are "without basis"
December 2010 - Mr Assange is arrested in London and bailed at the second attempt
May 2012 - The UK's Supreme Court rules he should be extradited to Sweden to face questioning over the allegations
June 2012 - Mr Assange enters the Ecuadorean embassy in London
January 2017 Outgoing US President Barack Obama commutes the prison sentence given to US army private Chelsea Manning for leaking classified documents to Wikileaks. Mr Assange says he stands by his offer to agree to be extradited to the US if Mr Obama granted clemency to Manning.
21 April 2017 US Attorney General Jeff Sessions says arresting Mr Assange is a priority. No charges have been filed against him in the US but US media outlets report that federal prosecutors are considering charges.
17 May 2017 Chelsea Manning is released from Fort Leavenworth military prison in Kansas.
You really aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture in anything are you ? People like you are happy to be fed horse sh it and kept in the dark , Julian Assange is a campaigner for truth.
Yawn. He may also be a rapist, and guilty of sexual assaults. The American interest in him occurred 5 years after the coward had been hiding in the Embassy. He offered to be extradited to the US. The Swedish women may be denied justice because of his cowardly actions. I don't really know why I bother trying to reason with someone who is impressed by Tommy Robinson, and Nigel Farage. Its a lost cause. Have a nice evening.
" Yawn. He may also be a rapist, and guilty of sexual assaults. The American interest in him occurred 5 years after the coward had been hiding in the Embassy. He offered to be extradited to the US. The Swedish women may be denied justice because of his cowardly actions. I don't really know why I bother trying to reason with someone who is impressed by Tommy Robinson, and Nigel Farage. Its a lost cause. Have a nice evening."
Please don't let me keep you from anything important . You bandy about the word " may " and expect people to take the sentences on board . You make an assumption I'm impressed by TR , when if you could be bothered to look through that thread , you will see quite clearly , I explicitly said said several times I wasn't a fan of his . You frequently use the word " moron" and " coward" to describe people . Please , please , don't waste anymore of your precious time trying to reason with me or for that matter anyone else .
Without people like Julian Assange to expose , just throw a blanket over our heads and accept whatever governments do is just fine .
I didn't think anyone could be that dense. You post pages and pages of American stuff which is completely irrelevant. He is in jail because he is guilty. He went into hiding to avoid rape and sexual assault charges in Sweden. American interest in him came 5 years later. You cant get off rape and sexual assault charges because a few people think you have done some public good. I hope he gets to stand trial on all his charges, as anyone should expect. He shouldn't be able to get off by running away and hiding like the coward he is.
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Not hard to say which side I am on .
Nothing to celebrate with this in the slightest .
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
Also no great surprise that once again you resort to calling people morons .
Take some time off your high horse and actually read up about Julian Assange and the trumped up , US indictment and then come back with something other than insults and vitriole
By alleging that Assange was given a password and helped set up a cloud for Manning to share the data, the government is charging him not with the distribution of the material but actively participating in its theft.
However, the unsealed indictment in Alexandria, Virginia, is remarkably thin on evidence that Assange played such an active role or used the password in question.
Setting up a cloud for sharing information can easily be viewed as simply facilitating the anonymous disclosure from a source. Where reporters once arranged for drop spots, there are now digital equivalents for such exchanges.
Rather than exploring reasons and effort to reveal controversial intelligence operations, Assange could be forced to confine his defence to the more mundane charge of "computer intrusion".
Yet, the indictment is conspicuously thin on the evidence of that role. The government alleges that Manning gave "a portion" of a password "to crack" which "was stored as a 'hash value' in a computer file that was accessible only by users with administrative-level privileges".
However, the government then says not that Assange arranged to crack the code but only that "cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log onto the computers under a username that did not belong to her".
Such a measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to identify Manning as the source of disclosures of classified information.
Guantanamo Bay procedures
A copy of Standard Operating Procedures for Camp Delta–the protocol of the U.S. Army at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp–dated March 2003 was released on the WikiLeaks website on 7 November 2007.[8] The document, named "gitmo-sop.pdf", is also mirrored at The Guardian.[9] Its release revealed some of the restrictions placed over detainees at the camp, including the designation of some prisoners as off-limits to the International Committee of the Red Cross, something that the U.S. military had in the past repeatedly denied.[10] It also showed that military dogs are used to intimidate prisoners, that children as young as 15 are held at Guantanamo and that new prisoners are held in isolation for two weeks to make them more pliable.[11][12]
On 3 December 2007, WikiLeaks released a copy of the 2004 edition of the manual,[13] together with a detailed analysis of the changes.[14]
Internet censorship lists
WikiLeaks has published the lists of forbidden or illegal web addresses for several countries.
On 19 March 2009, WikiLeaks published what was alleged to be the Australian Communications and Media Authority's blacklist of sites to be banned under Australia's proposed laws on Internet censorship.[49] Reactions to the publication of the list by the Australian media and politicians were varied. Particular note was made by journalistic outlets of the type of websites on the list; while the Internet censorship scheme submitted by the Australian Labor Party in 2008 was proposed with the stated intention of preventing access to child **** and sites related to terrorism,[50] the list leaked on WikiLeaks contains a number of sites unrelated to sex crimes involving minors.[51][52] When questioned about the leak, Stephen Conroy, the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy in Australia's Rudd Labor Government, responded by claiming that the list was not the actual list, yet threatening to prosecute anyone involved in distributing it.[53] On 20 March 2009, WikiLeaks published an updated list, dated 18 March 2009; it more closely matches the claimed size of the ACMA blacklist, and contains two pages that have been independently confirmed as blacklisted by ACMA.
WikiLeaks also contains details of Internet censorship in Thailand, including lists of censored sites dating back to May 2006.[54]
Wikileaks published a list of web sites blacklisted by Denmark.[55]
Toxic dumping in Africa: The Minton report
In September 2006, commodities giant Trafigura commissioned an internal report about a toxic dumping incident in the Ivory Coast,[65] which (according to the United Nations) affected 108,000 people. The document, called the Minton Report, names various harmful chemicals "likely to be present" in the waste and notes that some of them "may cause harm at some distance". The report states that potential health effects include "burns to the skin, eyes and lungs, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of consciousness and death", and suggests that the high number of reported casualties is "consistent with there having been a significant release of hydrogen sulphide gas".
On 11 September 2009, Trafigura's lawyers, Carter-Ruck, obtained a secret "super-injunction"[66] against The Guardian, banning that newspaper from publishing the contents of the document. Trafigura also threatened a number of other media organizations with legal action if they published the report's contents, including the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation[65] and The Chemical Engineer magazine.[67] On 14 September 2009, WikiLeaks posted the report.[68]
On 12 October, Carter-Ruck warned The Guardian against mentioning the content of a parliamentary question that was due to be asked about the report. Instead, the paper published an article stating that they were unable to report on an unspecified question and claiming that the situation appeared to "call into question privileges guaranteeing free speech established under the 1689 Bill of Rights".[69] The suppressed details rapidly circulated via the internet and Twitter[70][71] and, amid uproar, Carter-Ruck agreed the next day to the modification of the injunction before it was challenged in court, permitting The Guardian to reveal the existence of the question and the injunction.[72] The injunction was lifted on 16 October.[73]
Baghdad airstrike video
Main article: 12 July 2007 Baghdad airstrike
On 5 April 2010, WikiLeaks released classified U.S. military footage from a series of attacks on 12 July 2007 in Baghdad by a U.S. helicopter that killed 12–18 people,[88][89][90] including two Reuters news staff, Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen, on a website called "Collateral Murder". The attack also wounded others including two children who were in a van that was fired on when it came to collect the wounded men. The footage consisted of a 39-minute unedited version and an 18-minute version that had been edited and annotated. According to some media reports, the Reuters news staff were in the company of armed men[91][92][93] and the pilots may have thought Chmagh and Noor-Eldeen were carrying weapons (which was actually camera equipment). The footage includes audio from the American pilots during the shooting. After wounding two children one pilot says "Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle". [94] The military conducted an investigation into the incident and found there were two rocket propelled grenade launchers and one AK-47 among the dead.[95][96]
In the week following the release, "Wikileaks" was the search term with the most significant growth worldwide in the last seven days as measured by Google Insights.[97]
Main article: Chelsea Manning
A 22-year-old US Army intelligence analyst, PFC (formerly SPC) Chelsea Manning (formerly Bradley Manning), was arrested after alleged chat logs were turned in to the authorities by former hacker Adrian Lamo, in whom she had confided. Manning reportedly told Lamo she had leaked the Baghdad airstrike video, in addition to a video of the Granai airstrike and around 260,000 diplomatic cables, to WikiLeaks.[98][99] WikiLeaks said "allegations in Wired that we have been sent 260,000 classified US embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect."[100] WikiLeaks have said that they are unable as yet to confirm whether or not Manning was actually the source of the video, stating "we never collect personal information on our sources", but that they have nonetheless "taken steps to arrange for (Manning's) protection and legal defence."[99][101] On 21 June Julian Assange told The Guardian that WikiLeaks had hired three US criminal lawyers to defend Manning but that they had not been given access to her.[102]
On 28 February 2013, Manning confessed in open court to providing vast archives of military and diplomatic files to WikiLeaks.[103] She pleaded guilty to 10 criminal counts in connection with the huge amount of material she leaked, which included videos of airstrikes in Iraq and Afghanistan in which civilians were killed, logs of military incident reports, assessment files of detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and a quarter-million cables from American diplomats stationed around the world.[103] She read a statement recounting how she joined the military, became an intelligence analyst in Iraq, decided that certain files should become known to the American public to prompt a wider debate about foreign policy, downloaded them from a secure computer network and then ultimately uploaded them to WikiLeaks.[103]
Manning reportedly wrote, "Everywhere there's a U.S. post, there's a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed."[104] According to The Washington Post, she also described the cables as "explaining how the first world exploits the third, in detail, from an internal perspective."[105]
Guantanamo Bay files
Main article: Guantanamo Bay files leak
On 24 April 2011 WikiLeaks began a month-long release of 779 US Department of Defense documents about detainees at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[142]
Vault 7
Main article: Vault 7
In March 2017, WikiLeaks has published more than 8,000 documents on the CIA. The confidential documents, codenamed Vault 7, dated from 2013–2016, included details on the CIA's software capabilities, such as the ability to compromise cars, smart TVs,[185] web browsers (including Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Firefox, and Opera),[186][187][188] and the operating systems of most smartphones (including Apple's iOS and Google's Android), as well as other operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Linux.[189] WikiLeaks did not name the source, but said that the files had "circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive."[185]
Just a few examples of why Wikileaks is needed
What is much more predictable is that you completely miss the point yet again.
You are correct in saying that there is a much bigger picture, but it has nothing to do with Julian Assange.
The facts are as follows.
He is in jail because he breached his bail conditions, there is no doubt that he is guilty of this.
He has cost the taxpayer £16million so far.
The cowardly man went into hiding to avoid being extradited to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault charges.
These charges may now be resurrected.
The US charges came later.
As a woman, I would have thought that you might have been more sympathetic to the women that may have suffered at his hands.
Few innocent people go into hiding.
I think that to describe him as a moron is fair. The maximum jail sentence he could receive in the US is 5 years, and he has spent 7 years in one room in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
He may still face this punishment, in addition to the threat of being extradited to Sweden.
So maybe you could explain the benefit he has gained from spending 7 years in one room, riding a skateboard down a 4 foot step?
The bigger picture is that we have reciprocal extradition agreements with other countries. These agreements allow us to punish those that have committed crimes in this country, but have escaped abroad. It is in our interest to honour these agreements.
It is not up to us to determine innocence or guilt, but to merely honour the agreements. The courts in the country that the offenders are extradited to will decide on their guilt, or otherwise.
You may wish to read the article properly before commenting further.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
She said this had "undoubtedly" affected the progress of the Swedish proceedings.
His continued residence at the embassy and bringing him to justice had cost taxpayers £16m, she added.
I did what I thought at the time was the best and perhaps the only thing that could be done - which I hoped might lead to a legal resolution being reached between Ecuador and Sweden that would protect me from the worst of my fears.
Whilst the difficulties I now face may have become even greater, nevertheless it is right for me to say this now.
He faces up to five years in a US prison if convicted.
Days later, Swedish prosecutors said they were considering reopening the investigation into rape and sexual assault allegations against him.
Prosecutors dropped the rape investigation in 2017 because they were unable to formally notify him of allegations while he was staying in the embassy.
Two other charges of molestation and unlawful coercion had to be dropped in 2015 because time had run out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48118908
August 2010 - The Swedish Prosecutor's Office first issues an arrest warrant for Mr Assange. It says there are two separate allegations - one of rape and one of molestation. Mr Assange says the claims are "without basis"
December 2010 - Mr Assange is arrested in London and bailed at the second attempt
May 2012 - The UK's Supreme Court rules he should be extradited to Sweden to face questioning over the allegations
June 2012 - Mr Assange enters the Ecuadorean embassy in London
January 2017
Outgoing US President Barack Obama commutes the prison sentence given to US army private Chelsea Manning for leaking classified documents to Wikileaks.
Mr Assange says he stands by his offer to agree to be extradited to the US if Mr Obama granted clemency to Manning.
21 April 2017
US Attorney General Jeff Sessions says arresting Mr Assange is a priority. No charges have been filed against him in the US but US media outlets report that federal prosecutors are considering charges.
17 May 2017
Chelsea Manning is released from Fort Leavenworth military prison in Kansas.
People like you are happy to be fed horse sh it and kept in the dark , Julian Assange is a campaigner for truth.
He also believed that Private Eye were conspiring against him.
Delusionist. Firm believer in "market libertarianism", but unwilling to go to Court or explain why all his information seems to be pro-Russian, or how "liberty" involves shadowy organisations giving him money to release information.
An Australian who has cost this country £16milly in police costs, and a fortune to that well-known wealthy country, Ecuador while refusing to appear in Court in THIS country. Still. at least Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump can agree on 1 thing...
16 mill is a small price to pay for exposing slimeyness.
So its ok to breach the Official Secrets Act?
Alleged breach. ...next !
"The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the US Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on US Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a US government network used for classified documents and communications.
"Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with his duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks.
"Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to him. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.
"During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning's transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information.
"During an exchange, Manning told Assange that 'after this upload, that's all I really have got left.' To which Assange replied, 'curious eyes never run dry in my experience'.
"Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I must apologise, I just glanced at this, and didn't click on the link. I stupidly thought Tikay was referring to Gavin Williamson.
I was rushing because I had a tourney starting. Shouldn't be long there are only 210,000 runners.
Anyway back to the point in hand.
Julian Assange has been jailed for breaching his bail conditions. This is something he is clearly guilty of, and has nothing to do with any Government wanting to shut him up.
This is clearly about the Courts imposing a sentence for a crime he has committed.
This man is the moron who has spent more time locked in one room at the Ecuadorian Embassy, than an American Court was likely to sentence him to in jail.
All this overlooks the Swedish sexual assault charges, which he has not yet been found guilty of.
He is however definitely guilty of what he has been jailed for.
He should have been a man and faced up to his punishment, not run away and hidden.
There's a much bigger picture here , than you wish to portray ...no great surprise there .
Also no great surprise that once again you resort to calling people morons .
Take some time off your high horse and actually read up about Julian Assange and the trumped up , US indictment and then come back with something other than insults and vitriole
What is much more predictable is that you completely miss the point yet again.
You are correct in saying that there is a much bigger picture, but it has nothing to do with Julian Assange.
The facts are as follows.
He is in jail because he breached his bail conditions, there is no doubt that he is guilty of this.
He has cost the taxpayer £16million so far.
The cowardly man went into hiding to avoid being extradited to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault charges.
These charges may now be resurrected.
The US charges came later.
As a woman, I would have thought that you might have been more sympathetic to the women that may have suffered at his hands.
Few innocent people go into hiding.
I think that to describe him as a moron is fair. The maximum jail sentence he could receive in the US is 5 years, and he has spent 7 years in one room in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
He may still face this punishment, in addition to the threat of being extradited to Sweden.
So maybe you could explain the benefit he has gained from spending 7 years in one room, riding a skateboard down a 4 foot step?
The bigger picture is that we have reciprocal extradition agreements with other countries. These agreements allow us to punish those that have committed crimes in this country, but have escaped abroad. It is in our interest to honour these agreements.
It is not up to us to determine innocence or guilt, but to merely honour the agreements. The courts in the country that the offenders are extradited to will decide on their guilt, or otherwise.
You may wish to read the article properly before commenting further.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
He took refuge in the London embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he has denied.
She said this had "undoubtedly" affected the progress of the Swedish proceedings.
His continued residence at the embassy and bringing him to justice had cost taxpayers £16m, she added.
I did what I thought at the time was the best and perhaps the only thing that could be done - which I hoped might lead to a legal resolution being reached between Ecuador and Sweden that would protect me from the worst of my fears.
Whilst the difficulties I now face may have become even greater, nevertheless it is right for me to say this now.
He faces up to five years in a US prison if convicted.
Days later, Swedish prosecutors said they were considering reopening the investigation into rape and sexual assault allegations against him.
Prosecutors dropped the rape investigation in 2017 because they were unable to formally notify him of allegations while he was staying in the embassy.
Two other charges of molestation and unlawful coercion had to be dropped in 2015 because time had run out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48118908
August 2010 - The Swedish Prosecutor's Office first issues an arrest warrant for Mr Assange. It says there are two separate allegations - one of rape and one of molestation. Mr Assange says the claims are "without basis"
December 2010 - Mr Assange is arrested in London and bailed at the second attempt
May 2012 - The UK's Supreme Court rules he should be extradited to Sweden to face questioning over the allegations
June 2012 - Mr Assange enters the Ecuadorean embassy in London
January 2017
Outgoing US President Barack Obama commutes the prison sentence given to US army private Chelsea Manning for leaking classified documents to Wikileaks.
Mr Assange says he stands by his offer to agree to be extradited to the US if Mr Obama granted clemency to Manning.
21 April 2017
US Attorney General Jeff Sessions says arresting Mr Assange is a priority. No charges have been filed against him in the US but US media outlets report that federal prosecutors are considering charges.
17 May 2017
Chelsea Manning is released from Fort Leavenworth military prison in Kansas.
You really aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture in anything are you ?
People like you are happy to be fed horse sh it and kept in the dark , Julian Assange is a campaigner for truth.
Yawn.
He may also be a rapist, and guilty of sexual assaults.
The American interest in him occurred 5 years after the coward had been hiding in the Embassy.
He offered to be extradited to the US.
The Swedish women may be denied justice because of his cowardly actions.
I don't really know why I bother trying to reason with someone who is impressed by Tommy Robinson, and Nigel Farage.
Its a lost cause.
Have a nice evening.
You really do sing the praises of the most appalling people.
He may also be a rapist, and guilty of sexual assaults.
The American interest in him occurred 5 years after the coward had been hiding in the Embassy.
He offered to be extradited to the US.
The Swedish women may be denied justice because of his cowardly actions.
I don't really know why I bother trying to reason with someone who is impressed by Tommy Robinson, and Nigel Farage.
Its a lost cause.
Have a nice evening."
Please don't let me keep you from anything important .
You bandy about the word " may " and expect people to take the sentences on board .
You make an assumption I'm impressed by TR , when if you could be bothered to look through that thread , you will see quite clearly , I explicitly said said several times I wasn't a fan of his .
You frequently use the word " moron" and " coward" to describe people .
Please , please , don't waste anymore of your precious time trying to reason with me or for that matter anyone else .
https://wikileaks.org/
You post pages and pages of American stuff which is completely irrelevant.
He is in jail because he is guilty.
He went into hiding to avoid rape and sexual assault charges in Sweden.
American interest in him came 5 years later.
You cant get off rape and sexual assault charges because a few people think you have done some public good.
I hope he gets to stand trial on all his charges, as anyone should expect.
He shouldn't be able to get off by running away and hiding like the coward he is.