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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Eurosceptic Tory MPs who refuse to back Boris Johnson's new Brexit deal 'face being kicked out of the party'



    Close allies of Boris Johnson (pictured) say the Prime Minister is prepared to take the whip away from any Brexiteer 'Spartans' who refuse to fall in line. Tory whips have been told Mr Johnson will mete out the same punishment to rebels from the European Research Group as faced by No Deal rebels. After they joined forces with Jeremy Corbyn and Opposition groups to scupper his Brexit strategy, Mr Johnson expelled 21 Tories, including big names such as former chancellor Ken Clarke. (Inset from left) Veteran Eurosceptic Bill Cash, ERG chairman Steve Baker and his deputy Mark Francois have indicated they would vote against the Withdrawal Agreement even if the PM succeeded in stripping out the controversial Irish backstop.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    edited September 2019
    Brexit Party MEPs abstain from vote calling for release of detained British citizen in Iran
    European Parliament resolution called for release of prisoners including Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-meps-european-parliament-resolution-iran-prisoners-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-a9112696.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Brexit: David Cameron fuelled Leave support by blaming EU, says George Osborne
    Documentary also shows Mr Cameron admitting he asked the Queen to intervene in the Scottish independence referendum


    George Osborne has blamed David Cameron for stoking Eurosceptic fears ahead of the EU referendum as he claimed everyone has “paid the price” for the former prime minister saying “Brussels was to blame”.
    In a swipe at his long-time ally, the ex-chancellor said Mr Cameron was among a string of Tory prime ministers who had sought to blame the EU for problems at home.

    Meanwhile, Mr Cameron himself said that a second EU referendum should not be ruled out, and hinted that he would again vote to Remain.

    In a new BBC documentary lifting the lid on Mr Cameron’s premiership, Mr Osborne said he felt “responsible” for the Brexit chaos due to his role as chancellor, saying the referendum “should never have [been] held”.

    He said: “I feel very sorry for what happened, and I feel responsible, I was the chancellor of the exchequer in that government.
    “We held a referendum we should never have held, we then lost that referendum and the consequences for the country are grave and the only thing I can plea in my mitigation is that a huge number of people wanted that referendum, and I made a case against it, but it wasn’t heard.


    “David Cameron was just one of a number of British prime ministers who had fed this idea that we were different than Europe, that Brussels was to blame and that the public ultimately had to have a say, and we’ve all paid a price for it in my view.”
    Speaking to LBC radio’s Nick Ferrari, Mr Cameron said he would “go to my grave wondering” if he could have seen off the Leave campaign by getting a better deal in his renegotiation of Britain’s EU membership or delaying the referendum.

    He was critical of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s “lukewarm” support for the Remain campaign, saying: “I was on the battle lines fighting as hard as I could and sometimes I’d turn around and wonder where Jeremy Corbyn was.”

    But he made clear his disagreement with the PM’s decision to rule out a second referendum, telling Ferrari: “I don’t think you can, because we can’t go on being stuck... We’ve got to have either a deal, an election or a referendum.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-documentary-brexit-bbc-george-osborne-interview-referendum-a9110126.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    edited September 2019

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    I've seen more people at Music Festivals than were demonstrating in ALL those pictures

    And?
    doesn't look like a mass demonstration..... Did you go?
    yes I am the one with a red hat.


    You should watch this, and send it to your brain surgeon mate in Halfords.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fCF9tW4uyY
    BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR !
    B Liar B Liar B Liar. This man forced us into conflict with lies and deceit but now hes worth listening to ???.

    Still looking for those WMD Tony.

    Remember Tony Blair P M was an anagram of Im Tory plan B.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Essexphil said:

    52% (or less) want 1 thing. 48% (or more) want the opposite.

    Only the Labour Party are attempting to reach out to both groups.

    Weak? Yes. If you want to live in a dictatorship. Will it cost them votes?-Undoubtedly. But that says far more about what a divisive, intolerant country we have become, than about the Labour Party.

    The Observer view on Labour’s lack of leadership over Brexit
    Observer editorial
    Voters will not be fooled by Corbyn’s foolish prevarication




    Britain is gripped by political crisis. We have a prime minister bent on
    taking Britain out of the EU in just over a month, even if it means crashing out with no deal, with dreadful consequences for jobs and growth, for regional inequalities and for the union. Lacking any democratic mandate, Boris Johnson has shut down parliament for five weeks in an attempt to stop MPs from blocking him, a move whose legality the supreme court will rule on this week. Yet the Labour party is heading into its conference this weekend riven by splits over Brexit and sectarian attempts by Jeremy Corbyn’s allies to scrap the position of deputy leader.
    It represents a breathtaking failure of leadership by Corbyn. Never has Britain been in such desperate need of a leader of the opposition who can take on a prime minister who appears prepared to ride roughshod over the rule of law and who has shown such rank disregard for our democratically elected representatives. Yet Labour seems determined to show voters that it, too, is a hopelessly divided party that cannot reach consensus on its internal party structures, let alone a clear position on Brexit or a vision for the country.



    Following an overwhelming backlash, a motion to abolish the position of Labour deputy leader, currently held by Tom Watson, was hastily withdrawn. But the damage is done. Corbyn looks like a leader more interested in quelling internal dissent than winning a general election. It is yet another sign that, like the Conservatives, Labour is cementing its move towards the political fringe, unable to accommodate a broad church of perspectives that includes a lifelong social democrat such as Watson, who was directly elected by Labour members and can legitimately claim to speak for many in his criticisms of the leadership over Brexit and its abject failure to tackle the antisemitism in its ranks.

    Labour will pay the price at the polls. Despite Johnson’s relative unpopularity, Corbyn lags far behind. New polling for the Observer this weekend puts the Tories 15 points ahead of Labour. Labour’s unclear Brexit position is undoubtedly part of the explanation: for the first time, of those who voted Remain in 2016, as many say they would vote Liberal Democrat as Labour. Seven in 10 say Labour’s Brexit position is unclear.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/22/brexit-corbyn-labour-poll-referendum
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Key Labour aide resigns saying Jeremy Corbyn will not win the next election and slams the 'lack of professionalism, competence and human decency' within the party



    Andrew Fisher (right), head of policy and the author of the party's last manifesto, is said to have walked out last Saturday. He said he was sick of the 'blizzard of lies and excuses', and claimed a 'class war' had gripped the upper echelons of the party. The aide also denounced Mr Corbyn's team for their 'lack of professionalism, competence and human decency.' His resignation will be a significant blow to 70-year-old Mr Corbyn (left in Brighton on Saturday), who, it is claimed, may also stand down because he feels under 'incredible pressure'.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Tom Watson plot to 'become PM and form a unity government with rebel Tory and Liberal Democrat MPs sparked bid to oust him as deputy leader'




    Jeremy Corbyn was forced to call off an attempt to pass a motion at Labour's annual conference in Brighton which would have abolished Mr Watson's post.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Welcome to the Chaos Cabinet: If Boris Johnson falls this motley crew of opposition MPs and Tory Remainer rebels could seize the reins of power



    Draft lists of how an 'interim' Coalition Cabinet would look have been drawn up by Labour and Liberal Democrat strategists.They are planning for a situation where the two parties form a government with Scottish Nationalists and the 21 Tory rebels booted out by Mr Johnson for defying him on Brexit. Scottish Nationalist Ian Blackford (first left), Tory MP Rory Stewart (second left), Labour's Hilary Benn (front left), Father of the House Kenneth Clarke (middle) Leader of the Liberal Democrats Jo Swinson (right back), Tory MP Dominic Grieve, (front right) and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell (far right).
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Welcome to the Chaos Cabinet: If Boris Johnson falls this motley crew of opposition MPs and Tory Remainer rebels could seize the reins of power



    Draft lists of how an 'interim' Coalition Cabinet would look have been drawn up by Labour and Liberal Democrat strategists.They are planning for a situation where the two parties form a government with Scottish Nationalists and the 21 Tory rebels booted out by Mr Johnson for defying him on Brexit. Scottish Nationalist Ian Blackford (first left), Tory MP Rory Stewart (second left), Labour's Hilary Benn (front left), Father of the House Kenneth Clarke (middle) Leader of the Liberal Democrats Jo Swinson (right back), Tory MP Dominic Grieve, (front right) and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell (far right).
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    It is clear Labour is peddling a lie and is preparing to betray ‘the many’



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/22/clear-labour-peddling-lie-preparing-betray-many/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Brexit: Angry MPs accuse Corbyn of ‘stitch-up’ to stop Labour backing Remain in second referendum
    Row erupts within minutes of Tom Watson winning his fight to stay on deputy leader – prompting further turmoil and anger at Labour leader





    Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of a “stitch-up” to avoid a conference defeat that would force him to support Remain in a fresh Brexit referendum.
    A new policy statement, likely to be agreed on Sunday, would push back a decision on Labour’s stance to next year.

    The party would wait until a “sensible” withdrawal deal had been negotiated within three months of winning a general election.



    Clive Lewis, a Labour Treasury spokesperson, said: “This move is just plain wrong. How can this be defended?

    “Here we are, with a leadership apparently determined to shut down democratic debate on the crucial issue of the day, probably relying on union bloc votes to outvote the members.”
    And Lloyd Russell-Moyle, a pro-EU backbencher, said: “This conference is our one chance before an election to get out of the fudge – we cannot allow that to be taken away from us in some procedural stitch-up.”



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-corbyn-remain-party-conference-eu-second-referendum-a9114566.html
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    Diane Abbott makes hilarious blunder as reporter reminds her Labour lost 2017 election
    DIANE ABBOTT was mocked after a reporter was forced to remind the Labour MP that the party lost the 2017 general election.



    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1181619/Brexit-News-Labour-Party-Conference-Diane-Abbot-Agenda-Jeremy-Corbyn-latest
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    HAYSIE said:


    This shows just how pathetic the majority of voters (in this case Tory voters, but it could be anyone) are.

    Scotland leaving-massive permanent effect.
    Significant damage to economy-Conservatives will lose their role as the Party of Big Business
    NI leaving-this is supposed to be the conservative and Unionist party
    Conservative party being destroyed-really? Are these people mad?

    Jeremy Corbyn being PM. This is the one they fear. A temporary (5 year max, though i doubt his health would cope even that long).

    What is the worst he could do in 1 term of office? Ruin the UK? Ruin the economy? Stop the Conservatives being in power? No-all these things seem a price worth paying according to this survey.

    Any Party member who believes it is better to permanently ruin their party than lose 1 election is a cretin. Sometimes I despair, I really do.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    Labour Remainers accuse Jeremy Corbyn of a 'shameful stitch-up' as they claim his lieutenant stepped in to CHANGE result of vote and block their bid to force the party to oppose Brexit




    Labour Remainers hit out at their party's leadership after a Conference vote on forcing them to back Remain at an election was defeated amid chaos when Jenny Formby seemed to overrule a colleague.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    What a complete and utter mess this country is now in. So Boris resigns and a new leader elected,how will that solve anything? It's already cost two prime ministers and countless MP's their jobs without solving the problems.Also is it not rather hypocritical of the people giving interviews after the supreme court ruling,spouting and shouting about democracy when it suits them,while they're adamant that the referendum result should not be upheld?
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    What drama.

    Politics has never been so interesting.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    Tikay10 said:


    What drama.

    Politics has never been so interesting.

    All we need now is a VAR intervention... :D .
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    lucy4 said:

    Tikay10 said:


    What drama.

    Politics has never been so interesting.

    All we need now is a VAR intervention... :D .
    @lucy4

    Sorted.


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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,828
    lucy4 said:

    What a complete and utter mess this country is now in. So Boris resigns and a new leader elected,how will that solve anything? It's already cost two prime ministers and countless MP's their jobs without solving the problems.Also is it not rather hypocritical of the people giving interviews after the supreme court ruling,spouting and shouting about democracy when it suits them,while they're adamant that the referendum result should not be upheld?

    You can only blame the leave voters, if they had voted remain, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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