You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.
You might need to refresh your page afterwards.
BREXIT? CAN I ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION
Hi
I’m a remainer and if given a second people’s referendum, I would still got to remain
I’m curious to ask?
Are there people who voted remain and who would now vote LEAVE and WHY?
AND
Are there any peeps who voted leave and would now vote REMAIN and WHY?
I’m a remainer and if given a second people’s referendum, I would still got to remain
I’m curious to ask?
Are there people who voted remain and who would now vote LEAVE and WHY?
AND
Are there any peeps who voted leave and would now vote REMAIN and WHY?
Comments
Not because i think it would be better-i don't. But to respect the wishes of the majority in 2016.
I would vote leave again simply because to not leave would be a betrayal of everything that this Country is supposed to stand for.
Whatever happens we are now a world laughing stock.
So small sample to date but
1* remain to leave with a caveat..
1* remain to leave-respect vote outcome
1* leave to leave-doesn't count!
Are there any leave to remainers out there?
My view is based on what I consider to be best for our country.
Assuming we do leave I think that a deal that keeps us close to the EU would be the best choice.
We should choose the deal that loses the least number of jobs, trade, etc.
I have found the whole thing disappointing.
Starting with the referendum question that was wholly inadequate
Much of the leave vote was intended as a protest, but they were pointing their protesting fingers in the wrong direction. Our Government, rather than the EU should have been the target.
Leave voters claim to have been called thick for voting to leave.
When the truth is that a number of polls showed that the more educated people were likely to have voted to remain. I am not a highly educated person, but don't consider myself stupid. The same polls showed that the majority of old people also voted to leave, and an overwhelming majority of young people voted to remain. Assuming the polls are accurate then these are facts, people that are in their 70s cant claim to be young, and people that left school will no qualifications cant claim to be highly educated. However this does not mean that either category have to be thick or stupid.
Something that gets my back up is that so many leave voters seem to rely on the pub, their family, workplace, or friends for their EU knowledge, and just repeat claims made by others, which are not founded in any truth. This makes any debate difficult, as very often any questions regarding these claims are met with stony silence.
Leave voters will comment on the unelected EU, despite all the members conducting elections on a regular basis. They ridicule the EU over straight banana laws, which never happened, and completely ignore, or are unaware of the good things that we should be grateful to the EU for, like workers rights, which the Tories are threating to reduce post Brexit, and equal pay, paid leave, consumer protection, the right to live, and work in another member country, foreign study, easy travel, clean rivers, and clean air, cheap flights, etc etc.
Ask a leave voter to point to an EU law that they object to and would like to repeal as soon as we leave, and they rarely respond. Ask them to explain which EU law has affected their lives in an adverse way, and you usually get the same response. They claim to be taking back control, but aren't sure what they are taking back control of, or how it is going to work. Sovereignty, how does that improve anything for the average working man? They are only able to defend a no deal Brexit by using the phrase "project fear", when confronted by any information forecasting the damage to our economy. I don't intend to explore the ridiculous claims like the EU are responsible for handball rules in football, or Boris and his kipper wrappers.
The division in Parliament merely reflects the country.
The idea that Brexit could ever be described as the will of the people, is in my view a fallacy.
Assuming it is delivered at some point in the future, only a small number of people will consider they have got what they voted for.
I really hope that had I been a leave voter, that I would have bowed to the avalanche of overwhelming evidence pointing to the fact that I had been mistaken, and changed my mind by now.
I also think that is more productive to consider where we are now, the mess that we are in, and ways out of it, rather than continuing to harp back to 2016, and the will of the people.
The many hundreds of Euromyths about unelected bureaucrats envisaged bans on loved British foodstuffs and customs, reports about Britain being isolated as other countries gang-up on it, the lack of coverage of MEPs doing their legislative job, supported an overarching narrative of the EU being all powerful, Britain being without a say and friends, and EU institutions unaccountable. Some of these claims had a grain of truth in them, but the overwhelming majority has been at best misleading and often manifestly false. Whilst television coverage has been perceived as considerably less biased and more trusted, it was not proactive to educate citizens about the EU.
Successive governments have contributed to these beliefs by claiming any economic and political successes for themselves and blaming Brussels for uncomfortable outcomes. We know since the Leveson inquiry how successive Prime-Ministers felt severely constrained to stand-up to the power of the Eurosceptic press and their owners’ editorial agendas.
The rejection of the case made by an overwhelming majority of elite actors points partly to a source credibility issue affecting some of the leading figures, particularly Cameron, but also Corbyn. However, more importantly the Remain campaign started from a huge “deficit” in public knowledge about the nature of the EU, its powers and the UK role within it. There are natural limits to how much the Remain side could to do to overcome deeply ingrained views about the EU, but there is little evidence that they tried, and some ‘in-‘campaigners such as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, endorsed the “leave” critique of the EU as undemocratic and unaccountable without specifying the reasons or being clear about the remedies.
Two lessons to draw from this: First, those who are interested in the UK forging a constructive and friendly relationship with the EU, will need to invest more in educating the public about what the EU is and how it actually works and, perhaps more importantly, do not let inaccurate reporting and the press ownership creating it go without challenge. Otherwise, persuasive positive frames and narratives about the EU will struggle to resonate.
Secondly, profound questions about the linkage between democracy, political promises and knowledge arise: does it matter on what grounds votes are cast in an advisory issue referendum as compared to general elections? Does it matter if citizens vote against their best interests as a result of accepting weak, misleading or false claims? Does it matter if promises made by the Leave campaign are withdrawn just days after the vote or evaporate when faced with economic and political reality post-Brexit?
Politics will show.
http://www.referendumanalysis.eu/eu-referendum-analysis-2016/section-5-campaign-and-political-communication/why-facts-did-matter-in-the-campaign/
Caused by the leave voters?
The referendum was also about immigration. Yet the Government have abandoned plans to stop freedom of movement at the end of October, and quietly moved away from any immigration targets. I suppose we should blame the EU.
I'm keen for other contributors to not go over the old ground, just those who are prepared to post and say why they have changed....
Like I say I would love to hear from peeps who voted leave originally and are now prepared to vote remain because of what we now know- or vice versa to keep the debate balanced!
The first three are from our current PM, the fourth from the man responsible until recently for negotiating our trade deals, number 5 from a leading Tory MEP, the sixth is what the official vote leave campaign had to say, and lastly what was said by the current Leader of The House of Commons.
Quote of the day.
Getting back to the original question, I NEVER voted in the 1st place. Politics is a bit like poker. Full of 'experts' who talk a good game....but most are FOS.
Well done on your Notts seat btw Madhead
Not necessarily, due to the number of people that are suddenly claiming that they voted for no deal, when of course they didn't because that option was not on the ballot.
Getting back to the original question, I NEVER voted in the 1st place. Politics is a bit like poker. Full of 'experts' who talk a good game....but most are FOS.
Well done on your Notts seat btw Madhead