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Brexit - BoJo says "we have a deal".

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    So is that it, or will there be further delays?

    Is the first step for us to get it approved in Parliament on Saturday?

    How do we think that will go?
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Tikay10 said:


    So is that it, or will there be further delays?

    Is the first step for us to get it approved in Parliament on Saturday?

    How do we think that will go?

    The DUP are definitely voting against.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,771
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    So is that it, or will there be further delays?

    Is the first step for us to get it approved in Parliament on Saturday?

    How do we think that will go?

    The DUP are definitely voting against.
    The DUP are not the most important factor here. Neither are the LibDems. The Brexit Party have precisely 0 votes.

    The key factors are going to be:-

    1. How many Conservatives will vote against this deal; and
    2. How many Labour MPs are going to vote for the deal

    It is a repackaged May deal, with the Backstop made to look different-let's call it May B.

    Is it ideal? No. Is it a compromise that can actually help this country move forward? Yes.

    There will be time for debate/General Elections etc AFTER we have left. But at least it will be the end of the beginning.
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  • tai-gartai-gar Member Posts: 2,688
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    So is that it, or will there be further delays?

    Is the first step for us to get it approved in Parliament on Saturday?

    How do we think that will go?

    The DUP are definitely voting against.
    The DUP are not the most important factor here. Neither are the LibDems. The Brexit Party have precisely 0 votes.

    The key factors are going to be:-

    1. How many Conservatives will vote against this deal; and
    2. How many Labour MPs are going to vote for the deal

    It is a repackaged May deal, with the Backstop made to look different-let's call it May B.

    Is it ideal? No. Is it a compromise that can actually help this country move forward? Yes.

    There will be time for debate/General Elections etc AFTER we have left. But at least it will be the end of the beginning.
    Also likely to make Boris look like some kind of hero. That can't be a good thing.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    So is that it, or will there be further delays?

    Is the first step for us to get it approved in Parliament on Saturday?

    How do we think that will go?

    The DUP are definitely voting against.
    The DUP are not the most important factor here. Neither are the LibDems. The Brexit Party have precisely 0 votes.


    When you have a majority of -45 then every vote is important.
    It is not only the DUP themselves.
    They claim the support of at least 15 of the ERG.
    So Dup support was crucial.


    The key factors are going to be:-

    1. How many Conservatives will vote against this deal; and
    2. How many Labour MPs are going to vote for the deal

    If the DUP claims are correct, then they will need at least 25 more from the above groups.
    Likely to be a stretch.

    It is a repackaged May deal, with the Backstop made to look different-let's call it May B.


    It is actually close her first proposal which had a NI only backstop.
    So probably May-1.

    Is it ideal? No. Is it a compromise that can actually help this country move forward? Yes.

    Will it get though?
    Doubtful.

    There will be time for debate/General Elections etc AFTER we have left. But at least it will be the end of the beginning.
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  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,458
    read the twitter page of 'ledbydonkeys' for a more informed position
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Apparently the Tory Chief Whip was forecasting that all Tory votes, the DUP, and 15 of the Tory rebels, would get it through by a majority of 1.
    IDS is not looking very happy om Politics live.
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  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,754
    I see he managed to squeeze in “ Takes back control”
    If it doesn’t get through Parliament, Boris will get a bigger majority in the soon to be General Election.
    Seems people have forgotten Austerity...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Boris is attempting to get the EU to announce today or tomorrow, that there will be no extension.
    That means the vote on Saturday may come down to this deal or no deal.
    So thats his plan to get around sending the letter asking for the extension
    Very interesting.
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    and there's more...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    madprof said:

    read the twitter page of 'ledbydonkeys' for a more informed position

    More informed how?
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  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    That £1billion sweetener still doesn't look like being very good value for money...
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  • dragon1964dragon1964 Member Posts: 3,054
    Everyone knows that the DUP votes are available for the right incentive.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    dragon1964 said:

    Everyone knows that the DUP votes are available for the right incentive.

    Not this time.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    dragon1964 said:

    Everyone knows that the DUP votes are available for the right incentive.

    The last deal has run out.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    HAYSIE said:

    Boris is attempting to get the EU to announce today or tomorrow, that there will be no extension.
    That means the vote on Saturday may come down to this deal or no deal.
    So thats his plan to get around sending the letter asking for the extension
    Very interesting.

    This will be a shot in the foot if it encourages the no deal fanatics to vote against.
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