MPs win bid to vote on second Brexit referendum in Saturday parliament showdown
MPs have won a key parliamentary vote paving the way for a Commons bid to secure a second referendum on Saturday.
Ex-Tory backbencher Sir Oliver Letwin led a successful bid to allow backbench MPs to amend Boris Johnson's Brexit plans, in a knife edges vote that passed by 287 votes to 275.
MPs also approved a rare Saturday sitting to scrutinise Mr Johnson's new plan - but the government's plan for a short debate on a motion to either "approve the deal or approve a no-deal Brexit" were derailed by the backbench victory. The move now clears the way for pro-EU MPs to force a vote on a second referendum, by tacking on an amendment calling for another public vote on the prime minister's Brexit blueprint.
Everyone knows that the DUP votes are available for the right incentive.
Not this time.
We don't know what the right incentive is.
The vote is on Saturday, and I don't think they are wearing it this time.
They say that they can't vote for it "as it stands". Not they can't vote for it.
I wonder what are they hoping will change.
Here’s why Johnson’s plans have every chance of falling apart. The first weak point is still Northern Ireland. The plan for maintaining a stable alignment of regulations between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland might seem reasonable: Stormont is set to get a vote every four years, with a two-year cooling-off period. But looking into the future, this quickly collapses. What happens when the rest of the UK decides to follow a different regulatory path, as promised by this hard-right Conservative government? If there can be no land border, there would have to be regulatory checks in the Irish Sea to maintain the integrity of the single market. Moving the regulatory border to the Irish sea would be a significant and practical step towards reunification. It therefore makes sense that the DUP will not back it. The political limits of “one country, two systems” are obvious.
Is the first step for us to get it approved in Parliament on Saturday?
How do we think that will go?
Bit ridic for no 10 to be saying this. Wow, really? Congratulations. 3 years and 2 prime ministers later and you're celebrating pummelling the EU into accepting a deal they initially suggested at the get-go, which parliament will now reject.
If there is a deal and the end is in sight,the only thing left to sort out is who out of the live news presenters will finally tell the 'Stop Brexit' man,to Shut The f**k Up. My money is on Adam Boulton to finally lose it and unleash 3 years of pent up frustration live on air,followed closely by Beth Rigby beating 'Brexit Man' with his own placard .
read the twitter page of 'ledbydonkeys' for a more informed position
More informed how?
By reflecting back and reminding all of the politicians and business leaders what they said was not gonna happen and , lo and behold they take the opposite view when it suits..
If there is a deal and the end is in sight,the only thing left to sort out is who out of the live news presenters will finally tell the 'Stop Brexit' man,to Shut The f**k Up. My money is on Adam Boulton to finally lose it and unleash 3 years of pent up frustration live on air,followed closely by Beth Rigby beating 'Brexit Man' with his own placard .
Adam Boulton is favourite, he has been losing his rag with protesters lately.
He was referring the XR protesters as middle class berks.
If as expected Labour vote against this deal and it's rejected,Corbyn can pretty much expect a total annihilation at the next General Election.As,in my opinion,the public will hold him accountable for rejecting the deal and the continuing saga known as Brexit. Boris on the other hand will seem to come out of it all as the man who tried to put an end to the mess(good move by him) and therefore be able to blame those who opposed the deal and not the actual deal itself.It's a win win situation for Boris and Corbyn's demise.
If as expected Labour vote against this deal and it's rejected,Corbyn can pretty much expect a total annihilation at the next General Election.As,in my opinion,the public will hold him accountable for rejecting the deal and the continuing saga known as Brexit. Boris on the other hand will seem to come out of it all as the man who tried to put an end to the mess(good move by him) and therefore be able to blame those who opposed the deal and not the actual deal itself.It's a win win situation for Boris and Corbyn's demise.
Politics is so unpredictable these days.
I was staggered by a poll they referred to on Daily Politics today. It took place yesterday. The result was 41% of the public were in favour of the deal, 24% against, and 35 % didn't know.
What amazed me was that almost as many people didn't know, as were in favour of the deal.
Leavers still get the hump when anyone puts forward the opinion that many people didn't know what they were really voting for in the referendum.
Yet three and a half years later, over a third of people don't know if they should be in favour of the conditions under which we leave.
Doesn't that really prove the point?
I think the number of politicians who are still telling bare faced lies is confusing for everyone.
I have been listening to them this morning. One comes on saying this deal is brilliant for NI. The next one says it is dreadful for them. You can only assume that the DUP would be voting for it if it was brilliant for NI.
What I find disconcerting is they are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum, and not even close.
I could accept opposing views if one was saying its not very good, and the other saying its no so bad. You could just put that down to a matter of opinion.
Yet when they are poles apart, one of them has to be lying.
On NI, Boris has done something both he and Theresa May said that no British PM would never, ever, ever, do.
He cant be trusted.
Who knows where we would end up if he wins the vote.
No deal at the end of next year is still possible.
Whatever happens we will have Brexit for many years to come.
If as expected Labour vote against this deal and it's rejected,Corbyn can pretty much expect a total annihilation at the next General Election.As,in my opinion,the public will hold him accountable for rejecting the deal and the continuing saga known as Brexit. Boris on the other hand will seem to come out of it all as the man who tried to put an end to the mess(good move by him) and therefore be able to blame those who opposed the deal and not the actual deal itself.It's a win win situation for Boris and Corbyn's demise.
Just on the election.
This is hard to predict if there is an extension.
I think Boris wins by a landslide, and the Brexit Party are dead if the deal goes through.
I would agree that Corbyn is the worst labour leader in my lifetime, or at least since Michael Foot.
It would appear that the Tories, and the Brexit Party, will split one half of the vote, whilst the Lib Dems, and Labour, the other half.
It’s very strange that there were adverts and media attention given to bullying, when that seems to be happening all the time in Parliament. It’s a well known fact that you don’t need any qualifications to become a candidate, which shows. So many times I’ve heard them spout” to unite the country” ? Will never happen, that’s why there are general elections. IMO, you should just have say five candidates for each ministerial job, abolish all parties.( highly qualified people,especially in maths) as it’s the banks that run the economy. Very inconsiderate of them to sit on a weekend of sport. Steptoe’s leadership of the Labour Party is about to come to an end. I’d like to see Andrea Leadsom as PM. Boris won’t last long. Sooo,these final few hours see the ministers trying to work out what’s best for themselves, and not the country. Whatever the result is, the cynics will win.( all bases covered)
It’s very strange that there were adverts and media attention given to bullying, when that seems to be happening all the time in Parliament. It’s a well known fact that you don’t need any qualifications to become a candidate, which shows. So many times I’ve heard them spout” to unite the country” ? Will never happen, that’s why there are general elections. IMO, you should just have say five candidates for each ministerial job, abolish all parties.( highly qualified people,especially in maths) as it’s the banks that run the economy. Very inconsiderate of them to sit on a weekend of sport. Steptoe’s leadership of the Labour Party is about to come to an end. I’d like to see Andrea Leadsom as PM. Boris won’t last long. Sooo,these final few hours see the ministers trying to work out what’s best for themselves, and not the country. Whatever the result is, the cynics will win.( all bases covered)
Sorry to disagree slightly...the hedge funders will win, the people identified in the Paradise papers will win(again)...oh yes and all of the political decision makers who haven't got a clue about what the real working world is-as they've distanced themselves from reality- will also win
If I behaved in my professional job(before I retired) anywhere up to 5% of what the politicians in parliament say and do, I would have been sacked for unprofessional/gross misconduct....the whole place is shameful
It’s very strange that there were adverts and media attention given to bullying, when that seems to be happening all the time in Parliament. It’s a well known fact that you don’t need any qualifications to become a candidate, which shows. So many times I’ve heard them spout” to unite the country” ? Will never happen, that’s why there are general elections. IMO, you should just have say five candidates for each ministerial job, abolish all parties.( highly qualified people,especially in maths) as it’s the banks that run the economy. Very inconsiderate of them to sit on a weekend of sport. Steptoe’s leadership of the Labour Party is about to come to an end. I’d like to see Andrea Leadsom as PM. Boris won’t last long. Sooo,these final few hours see the ministers trying to work out what’s best for themselves, and not the country. Whatever the result is, the cynics will win.( all bases covered)
Sorry to disagree slightly...the hedge funders will win, the people identified in the Paradise papers will win(again)...oh yes and all of the political decision makers who haven't got a clue about what the real working world is-as they've distanced themselves from reality- will also win
If I behaved in my professional job(before I retired) anywhere up to 5% of what the politicians in parliament say and do, I would have been sacked for unprofessional/gross misconduct....the whole place is shameful
Agreed. My business and my professional status would have gone down the pan. Seems only politicians can get away with it whatever they do.
Agreed, however I'll check my facts(again) but I believe we, as a voting country have only vetoed >5% of votes in the EU, all related to tax evasion and endeavouring to bring people to account.
Read an executive summary of the Paradise papers and see who is culpable..JRMogg, Aaron Banks(UKIP donor) to name two....and how did JRMogg invest in the UK, oh he opened an office in Eire
Talking about tax and bases is probably not a good idea on this site😉 Crime and especially stabbings are far more important issues imo. Easily solved though, 50 lashes, two months in nick whilst the wounds heal.
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I wonder what are they hoping will change.
Which refer to how they might change rules that they may become unhappy with in the future.
They are apparently different from the rules that apply to the Good Friday Agreement.
Under the Good Friday rules it makes it easy for them to block stuff.
Not so under this deal.
MPs have won a key parliamentary vote paving the way for a Commons bid to secure a second referendum on Saturday.
Ex-Tory backbencher Sir Oliver Letwin led a successful bid to allow backbench MPs to amend Boris Johnson's Brexit plans, in a knife edges vote that passed by 287 votes to 275.
MPs also approved a rare Saturday sitting to scrutinise Mr Johnson's new plan - but the government's plan for a short debate on a motion to either "approve the deal or approve a no-deal Brexit" were derailed by the backbench victory.
The move now clears the way for pro-EU MPs to force a vote on a second referendum, by tacking on an amendment calling for another public vote on the prime minister's Brexit blueprint.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/heres-why-boris-johnsons-plans-have-every-chance-of-falling-apart/ar-AAIVexu?ocid=spartandhp
Wow, really? Congratulations.
3 years and 2 prime ministers later and you're celebrating pummelling the EU into accepting a deal they initially suggested at the get-go, which parliament will now reject.
He was referring the XR protesters as middle class berks.
I was staggered by a poll they referred to on Daily Politics today. It took place yesterday. The result was 41% of the public were in favour of the deal, 24% against, and 35 % didn't know.
What amazed me was that almost as many people didn't know, as were in favour of the deal.
Leavers still get the hump when anyone puts forward the opinion that many people didn't know what they were really voting for in the referendum.
Yet three and a half years later, over a third of people don't know if they should be in favour of the conditions under which we leave.
Doesn't that really prove the point?
I think the number of politicians who are still telling bare faced lies is confusing for everyone.
I have been listening to them this morning. One comes on saying this deal is brilliant for NI. The next one says it is dreadful for them. You can only assume that the DUP would be voting for it if it was brilliant for NI.
What I find disconcerting is they are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum, and not even close.
I could accept opposing views if one was saying its not very good, and the other saying its no so bad. You could just put that down to a matter of opinion.
Yet when they are poles apart, one of them has to be lying.
On NI, Boris has done something both he and Theresa May said that no British PM would never, ever, ever, do.
He cant be trusted.
Who knows where we would end up if he wins the vote.
No deal at the end of next year is still possible.
Whatever happens we will have Brexit for many years to come.
This is hard to predict if there is an extension.
I think Boris wins by a landslide, and the Brexit Party are dead if the deal goes through.
I would agree that Corbyn is the worst labour leader in my lifetime, or at least since Michael Foot.
It would appear that the Tories, and the Brexit Party, will split one half of the vote, whilst the Lib Dems, and Labour, the other half.
An overall majority is unlikely.
It’s a well known fact that you don’t need any qualifications to become a candidate, which shows.
So many times I’ve heard them spout” to unite the country” ? Will never happen, that’s why there are general elections.
IMO, you should just have say five candidates for each ministerial job, abolish all parties.( highly qualified people,especially in maths) as it’s the banks that run the economy.
Very inconsiderate of them to sit on a weekend of sport.
Steptoe’s leadership of the Labour Party is about to come to an end.
I’d like to see Andrea Leadsom as PM. Boris won’t last long.
Sooo,these final few hours see the ministers trying to work out what’s best for themselves, and not the country.
Whatever the result is, the cynics will win.( all bases covered)
If I behaved in my professional job(before I retired) anywhere up to 5% of what the politicians in parliament say and do, I would have been sacked for unprofessional/gross misconduct....the whole place is shameful
Seems only politicians can get away with it whatever they do.
Well paid obviously, if they make the right moves.
Read an executive summary of the Paradise papers and see who is culpable..JRMogg, Aaron Banks(UKIP donor) to name two....and how did JRMogg invest in the UK, oh he opened an office in Eire
Crime and especially stabbings are far more important issues imo.
Easily solved though, 50 lashes, two months in nick whilst the wounds heal.