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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    VespaPX said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Trump says coronavirus will disappear without a vaccine. Fauci has said the opposite.

    Except that’s not what his coronavirus task force doctor, Anthony S. Fauci, says. Trump offered his new comments about the potential vaccine Friday afternoon at the White House. “I feel about vaccines like I feel about tests: This is going to go away without a vaccine,” Trump said. “It’s going to go away, and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.”

    A few weeks ago, Fauci was asked on Fox News about comments Joe Biden had made, that “this isn’t going to be over until we have a vaccine.”
    Fauci responded: “There’s truth to that. It’s not going to be over to the point of our being able to not do any mitigation until we have a scientifically sound, safe and effective vaccine.” A week earlier, at a White House briefing, Fauci was asked whether we will “truly get back to normal in this country before there’s an actual vaccine that’s available to everybody.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/trump-says-coronavirus-will-disappear-without-a-vaccine-fauci-has-said-the-opposite/ar-BB13OyYc?ocid=spartandhp

    Well Fauci would say that considering he has very close ties with The Gates Foundation.
    Well I don't think anyone really takes anything that Trump says seriously, particularly on this topic.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    edited May 2020
    tai-gar said:

    HAYSIE said:

    tai-gar said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards



    Some 400,000 surgical gowns ordered from Turkey do not meet British safety standards, the UK government has said.
    Up to half of the personal protective equipment (PPE) order was flown to the UK by the RAF last month, but has not been given to NHS workers and is now stuck in a warehouse.
    It is not clear if the government will seek a refund from the suppliers.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52569364

    Don't they write a specification for these products BEFORE they buy them. Ffs it is not rocket science is it?

    The last lot was rejected because the cords were too long and would endanger children who might hang themselves on them. Understand the sentiment but not the requirement in these circumstances.
    You would think that the spec. already existed.
    Probably British Standard 4758.....99843 paragraph 4 item 17.21.

    Over complicated for a surgical gown maybe?

    The Mail on Sunday reveals Health Secretary Matt Hancock pleaded with Prime Minister Boris Johnson to "give me a break" during what the paper calls a "furious bust-up" over his department's handling of the coronavirus crisis. The Mail says further pressure has been heaped on the health secretary after more than 25 million goggles bought for the NHS were found to be unfit for purpose - but his spokesman says they were ordered by Gordon Brown's Labour government in 2009. A source close to Mr Hancock says he has the "total support" of No 10.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    HAYSIE said:

    madprof said:

    Social distancing: facebook/California’s plan

    Ben, son in law works at Facebook headquarters in Paula Alto and lives in SanFran and is currently and will be for the foreseeable future, working from home

    They were told yesterday that no work gatherings of 50 or more to be allowed until it’s reviewed in June.....2021! Yes already planning social distancing for the long term.

    (They have the office space to do this as one of there hangar buildings can take 10,000 people on the roof garden for a party ...but still effective mgt of the key issue facing us as we go forward)

    I have been saying for a while that getting out of the lockdown is not going to be as simple as some people think.
    The only ways out of this still seem to be herd immunity, or a vaccine.
    A vaccine may not be available for quite some time, and there is no guarantee of finding one.
    Herd immunity requires around 70% of the population to contract the virus, this is a huge number.
    The lockdown restricts the spread, and therefore slows down the possibility of herd immunity.
    Any relaxation of the lockdown measures, will surely increase the spread.
    Workers jam packed into tubes, and trains, very young kids that don't understand what 2 metres is etc, etc, can only increase the spread.
    Smaller classrooms, and staggering shifts can surely only slow the spread down.
    I think we probably have many old and vulnerable people that will never go out again.
    Expecting tourists to self isolate for 2 weeks is hardly encouraging, and is unlikely to give tourism a boost.

    Whenever this Government is faced with a choice of two options they consistently pick the wrong one.
    A Turkish T-Shirt salesman, or reputable British companies to source gowns.
    Two apps to choose from, launch one, and then immediately pay a Swiss company £3.8million to explore using the other one that has been used by many other countries.
    No to wearing masks, now it seems to be yes.
    There were also the Dyson ventilators that they ordered, probably paid for, and didn't use.
    And on and on.

    The Sunday Mirror splashes with a warning from top scientists that the government's new contact-tracing smartphone app - currently being trialled on the Isle of Wight - could fail to identify half of people infected with coronavirus. Experts have told the paper that by focusing on a fever and a cough - the two main symptoms of the virus - the app "ignores" 10 other signs of the disease.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463

    Britain's biggest trade unions including Unison, Unite, GMB and Usdaw have warned the prime minister they will not recommend a return to work for their three million members or support his back to work plans unless health and safety is "radically overhauled" by the government and employers, according to the Observer's main story. In a letter to the paper, union leaders and the TUC say many of their members have already lost their lives "transporting people and goods, protecting the public and caring for the vulnerable".



  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463

    The Guardian says the PM's speech was "immediately condemned as being divisive, confusing and vague". The paper reports his decision to change the "stay at home" slogan to "stay alert" was "met with a chorus of disapproval" from the leaders of devolved nations in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. It also quotes Labour leader Keir Starmer, who criticised the lack of "necessary guidance" for those encouraged to return to work on Monday.


    "Boris keeps handbrake on" is how the Daily Mail describes the prime minister's televised address on Sunday night, in which he outlined "the first sketch" of an exit from the coronavirus lockdown - including the possibility of reopening shops and primary schools in England next month. From Wednesday, people will be allowed unlimited outdoor exercise and can drive to do so, as well as playing sport with household members and sunbathe in local parks. But the paper says Mr Johnson is "ready to slam on the brakes again at any moment" if there is a surge in new cases of the virus.


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    Healthcare firm advised by Owen Paterson won £133m coronavirus testing contract unopposed
    Randox Laboratories hired as part of Matt Hancock’s promise to carry out 100,000 tests a day




    A healthcare firm which employs the prominent Conservative politician Owen Paterson as a paid consultant has been awarded a £133m contract without any other firms being given the opportunity to bid for the work.
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has given Randox the contract to produce testing kits to help respond to the coronavirus pandemic. It was awarded “without prior publication of a call for competition”, according to details of the contract seen by the Guardian.
    The founder of Randox Laboratories is Peter FitzGerald, a polo-playing multimillionaire Northern Irish doctor who is the UK’s 475th richest person with a £255m personal fortune, according to the Sunday Times rich list.
    Matt Hancock’s department awarded the contract last month under fast-track arrangements that enable public bodies dealing with the pandemic to give contracts to commercial companies quickly without the need to ask other firms to bid for them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/healthcare-firm-advised-by-owen-paterson-won-133m-coronavirus-testing-contract-unopposed
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    Police union chiefs say it will be 'nigh-on impossible' to check new arrivals in UK will be obeying 14-day quarantine rules


    Police will conduct spot checks with fines up to £1,000 to enforce 14-day quarantine for travellers. But Metropolitan Police Federation chairman Ken Marsh (pictured) said it will be 'impossible' to enforce.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    Nicola Sturgeon BANS Boris Johnson's Stay Alert slogan in Scotland as his lockdown exit road map descends into shambles with the First Minister again warning that mixed messages will cost lives




    The First Minister said she would ignore the Prime Minister's much-criticised new 'Stay Alert, Control the Virus, Save Lives' slogan in favour of the previous 'Stay Home' message. It was the latest sign that Mr Johnson's attempt to keep the four nations of the United Kingdom in sync over coronavirus was in danger of breaking down. Grilled by Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain today (pictured) , Ms Sturgeon countered suggestions by Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab that people would be allowed to see their parents living elsewhere as long as they stayed two metres apart. She said: 'That is not the situation in Scotland. The situation in Scotland, apart from that one change around exercise, hasn't changed.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    Wuhan reports first coronavirus cluster since lockdown was lifted amid fears of a resurgence of the disease


    Wuhan reported five new confirmed cases, all of whom live in the same residential compound. The new infections sounded a note of caution amid efforts to ease restrictions across China.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    edited May 2020
    Boris Johnson's big lockdown speech descends into farce as Dominic Raab says workers should not return until WEDNESDAY despite No10 saying they should get back to duties TODAY - and businesses will only have 24 hours notice of new health and safety rules







    Boris Johnson's big lockdown speech unravelled today as Dominic Raab contradicted his call for millions of workers to return to duties immediately in the middle of rush hour. The Foreign Secretary (pictured top right) insisted the government is not urging workers to return until Wednesday, despite No10's official press release on the PM's TV address saying they should go back today. The comment, in a round of interviews when many will have already been on their way by road or public transport (Tube pictured left), came as it emerged that health and safety guidance for businesses will not be issued until tomorrow - 24 hours before the back to work edict now comes into force. Mr Raab spread more confusion by suggesting that people can meet two relatives such as parents in parks while maintaining social distancing, sending Downing Street scrambling to say that is not in fact the case. He also got in a muddle and suggested that pubs could open as early as June - when the PM said it would be no earlier than July. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the Government's strategy to ease the lockdown was already 'unravelling' within hours of it being announced. Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon demanded that Mr Johnson (pictured bottom right) stop telling Scots what to do, saying she would ban the new 'stay alert' public information campaign from being aired north of the border because the 'vague' words could put lives at risk.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    You CAN go on holiday to France: PM's 14-day quarantine plan for travellers entering UK falls to pieces as Macron wins agreement that it will NOT apply to people coming back to Britain from France



    The two countries said any such measure would be reciprocal and only be imposed after mutual consultation. Prime Minister Boris Johnson (left) said on Sunday 'it will soon be the time... to impose quarantine on people coming into this country by air'. But shortly after a statement from his office said: 'No quarantine measures would apply to travellers coming from France at this stage. 'Any measures on either side would be taken in a concerted and reciprocal manner.' A similar note was released by President Emmanuel Macron's (right) office.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    HAYSIE said:

    Healthcare firm advised by Owen Paterson won £133m coronavirus testing contract unopposed
    Randox Laboratories hired as part of Matt Hancock’s promise to carry out 100,000 tests a day




    A healthcare firm which employs the prominent Conservative politician Owen Paterson as a paid consultant has been awarded a £133m contract without any other firms being given the opportunity to bid for the work.
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has given Randox the contract to produce testing kits to help respond to the coronavirus pandemic. It was awarded “without prior publication of a call for competition”, according to details of the contract seen by the Guardian.
    The founder of Randox Laboratories is Peter FitzGerald, a polo-playing multimillionaire Northern Irish doctor who is the UK’s 475th richest person with a £255m personal fortune, according to the Sunday Times rich list.
    Matt Hancock’s department awarded the contract last month under fast-track arrangements that enable public bodies dealing with the pandemic to give contracts to commercial companies quickly without the need to ask other firms to bid for them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/healthcare-firm-advised-by-owen-paterson-won-133m-coronavirus-testing-contract-unopposed

    Don’t you mean Sir Owen Paterson??

    Sorry, that’s the next round of honours lists
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Healthcare firm advised by Owen Paterson won £133m coronavirus testing contract unopposed
    Randox Laboratories hired as part of Matt Hancock’s promise to carry out 100,000 tests a day




    A healthcare firm which employs the prominent Conservative politician Owen Paterson as a paid consultant has been awarded a £133m contract without any other firms being given the opportunity to bid for the work.
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has given Randox the contract to produce testing kits to help respond to the coronavirus pandemic. It was awarded “without prior publication of a call for competition”, according to details of the contract seen by the Guardian.
    The founder of Randox Laboratories is Peter FitzGerald, a polo-playing multimillionaire Northern Irish doctor who is the UK’s 475th richest person with a £255m personal fortune, according to the Sunday Times rich list.
    Matt Hancock’s department awarded the contract last month under fast-track arrangements that enable public bodies dealing with the pandemic to give contracts to commercial companies quickly without the need to ask other firms to bid for them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/healthcare-firm-advised-by-owen-paterson-won-133m-coronavirus-testing-contract-unopposed

    Don’t you mean Sir Owen Paterson??

    Sorry, that’s the next round of honours lists
    No doubt.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463







    "Johnson under attack for risking staff safety, in back-to-work dash" is the front-page headline on the Financial Times.
    It says the prime minister has been criticised by Labour and some unions for encouraging people working in manufacturing and construction to go back to their jobs, without ensuring their safety on public transport and in their workplaces.
    The FT's leader says Mr Johnson's approach suggests a "cavalier attitude towards the welfare of blue-collar workers".
    The headline on the front of the Daily Mirror is a direct message to Boris Johnson: "You must protect the workers."
    Its opinion column states that "the fight against coronavirus has tragically become a class war".
    It acknowledges that some employers will be responsible and safeguard their staff. But it goes on to warn that "there will be exploitative bosses who cut corners or do nothing".
    The Daily Telegraph highlights the prime minister's response to those criticising the new rules as contradictory - that the public should "use good, solid common sense".
    There's a column by the former Conservative leader, Lord Hague, who argues that Mr Johnson's latest slogan, "stay alert", has gone down badly because his original one, "stay at home", was so good.
    He invites readers to consider how people would have reacted if, during the Brexit referendum, "take back control" had been changed to "take back a bit of influence".



    The Guardian's headline is "Johnson providing no clear direction on lockdown exit".
    Its leader argues that after several days of "mixed messages and confused assertions", the prime minister urgently needs to come up with a plan which the country "can understand and unite around".
    The website Huffpost UK examines what it calls the "24 calamitous hours" in which Mr Johnson's message "unravelled".
    It casts an eye over the social media response to Sunday night's speech and the government's subsequent updates.
    Among the highlights of the reaction, it believes, is a satirical video posted by the comedian, Matt Lucas. In it, he impersonates the prime minister, saying: "Don't go to work, go to work. Go outside, don't go outside... and then we will or won't, something or other."
    On its front page, the Daily Mail celebrates a more positive aspect of the plan to ease lockdown restrictions - the fact that relatives who don't live together will be able to see each other once again.
    The headline is "We ARE going to meet again".
    The Sun takes the story further, reporting on plans for a "Gran day out"... with "hugs for grandkids from the 1st of June".
    Both the Daily Telegraph and the Sun suggest the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, is to announce that the government's coronavirus furlough scheme is to be extended until September.
    It was originally due to run until the end of June.
    The Telegraph says during that period the taxpayer will cover 60% of wages, instead of the current 80%.
    The Sun reports that staff who return to their jobs part-time will still qualify for payments.
    It quotes the Federation of Small Businesses, saying this will be vital to keep many firms afloat.
    'Great lockdown divide'
    Under the headline "Great lockdown divide", the Daily Mail reveals that different parts of England could emerge from the restrictions at different times.
    This would depend, it explains, on where the virus flares up, so, for example, Newcastle would not have to tighten its measures if there was a fresh outbreak in Cornwall.
    The Daily Express is surprised by a suggestion from the government - that it is considering using waste water to track the spread of Covid-19.
    An expert tells the paper that, although the infection can be detected in sewage, it breaks down in water more easily than other viruses, so this may not be the best way to trace it.
    There's a warning in the Times that the battle to contain the dangerous invasive plant, giant hogweed, may have been lost.
    The plant, which was brought into Britain in the 19th Century, secretes chemicals which can cause serious burns.
    The Times reports that it has spread to most parts of the country.
    It explains that scientists think this year's flooding may have carried seeds downstream to new areas, and the warm weather has helped the species to thrive.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-52627232
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    The Tube is a 'suicide mission', complain commuters: Precious few masks in sight despite Sadiq Khan's instructions as thousands more commuters pack onto London Underground with NO extra trains



    Thousands of people waited this morning for buses and tubes in the capital after the Prime Minister's speech on Sunday urging people to return to work if they can do so safely. But very few people were heeding the advice released by London Mayor Sadiq Khan yesterday which asked commuters to wear face masks. The guidance also suggested that Londoners should carry hand sanitiser, and that the tube will only be able to carry 13 - 15 per cent of passengers. However commuters have criticised the London Mayor for the lack of social distancing in place, and have also railed against the amount of tubes running. Twitter user Adeleye said: @BorisJohnson @SadiqKhan commute this morning is like a suicide mission, no social distancing, all cramped coaches on tubes, yet you still say stay alert, control the virus.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,463
    Matt Hancock is blasted by UK statistics chief over his 100,000-per-day testing target and daily updates saying they have 'limited detail' and need improvement to increase 'trustworthiness' with the public




    NEW The Health Secretary was told to take steps to improve the 'trustworthiness' of his daily updates by Sir David Norgrove, chairman of the UK Statistics Authority.
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    PMQs
    The fireworks at yesterday's Prime Minister's Questions are analysed by the columnists.
    The executive political editor of Huffpost UK, Paul Waugh, says Sir Keir Starmer's attack over care homes proves that he really does "mean business", with the Labour leader showing a "flash of steel" that ought to worry the government.
    The sketch in the Guardian describes an "incompetent and unprepared" Boris Johnson, who "crumbled" under his cross-examination.
    Writing for the Spectator, Patrick O'Flynn says Mr Johnson's "sloppy" performances at PMQs are "becoming a problem".
    But for the Sun, the row over care homes reflects badly on both leaders.
    In its editorial it tells Boris Johnson to "come clean" about his mistakes, because the public won't forgive a "cover-up".
    But it adds that Sir Keir knew the full context of the guidance on care homes before he asked the questions in the Commons. "So much for constructive opposition," says the paper.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-52656796
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