It is certainly true to say that various people were talking pony when they claimed a deal with the US would be easy once we left the EU.
The EU have been trying and failing to get a trade deal with the US since before our Referendum. In reality, a lot of trade between the 2 is on modified WTO Rules. There has been so little progress made between the 2 that negotiations were formally scrapped in 2019.
In reality, the US could not politically sanction a UK deal without a EU deal, and vice versa. Neither are remotely close.
So-if we were still in the EU, we would be in exactly the same position as we are in now.
Brexit is Tories’ ‘biggest failure’ with ‘no plan for future’, Keir Starmer says
These aren't "Brexit Immigration Rules". They are the UK's own Immigration Rules, which we are (in theory) free to alter in response to the UK's needs, rather than just the EU.
That should be a massive advantage. Unfortunately, this Government is so busy pandering to the Right of the Party on an anti-immigration stance, that this potential advantage is (at least for now) non-existent.
We need to stop the rhetoric demonising people who want to come here to work. We need to have a coherent strategy as to how to compete against the EU for certain workers. The ones that we need. And we need to be up-front with potential Employers, because they need to be able to plan. It's not a secret, for goodness sake.
This is not "Brexit's" fault. It is the fault of a Government that is failing to adapt to changing circumstances.
Brexit should, like any major change, involve both advantages and disadvantages. But it is this Government that is both ignoring the disadvantages and failing to capitalise on the advantages.
We Are Doomed I tell you ....DOOMED. Suck Up time Steve.!
The trouble is the Tory majority in this Government want to be back in the EU and standing still waiting for it to happen. Why do you think it took so long to leave.
Labour and "Starmer" are Mini Me Tories no change there same old same blank promises that never happen. We inherited Gloom & Doom take years to sort. ?
These aren't "Brexit Immigration Rules". They are the UK's own Immigration Rules, which we are (in theory) free to alter in response to the UK's needs, rather than just the EU.
That should be a massive advantage. Unfortunately, this Government is so busy pandering to the Right of the Party on an anti-immigration stance, that this potential advantage is (at least for now) non-existent.
We need to stop the rhetoric demonising people who want to come here to work. We need to have a coherent strategy as to how to compete against the EU for certain workers. The ones that we need. And we need to be up-front with potential Employers, because they need to be able to plan. It's not a secret, for goodness sake.
This is not "Brexit's" fault. It is the fault of a Government that is failing to adapt to changing circumstances.
Brexit should, like any major change, involve both advantages and disadvantages. But it is this Government that is both ignoring the disadvantages and failing to capitalise on the advantages.
Hopes mount of Brexit breakthrough as UK minister apologises for hardline stance
This has nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with the poison that fuels certain Brexiteers.
Truss is an idiot. But alongside Braverman, she looks like Albert Einstein.
1 potential advantage of Brexit is undoubtedly that we have the freedom to maintain our own immigration policy, tailored to our own needs, as opposed to the needs of the wider EU. As an Island, it is inevitable that our needs will differ enormously from Mainland Europe.
Our Immigration policy should be relatively simple. Do our fair share in relation to people genuinely fleeing oppression (no more, no less). And to take in Economic Migrants provided they make Economic sense, on terms appropriate to our short-term/long-term need. Not difficult. Even for someone as dim as Truss.
But for the Bravermans of this World, Immigration becomes a purely political issue. To stop "foreigners" coming in. Like, er, Mrs Braverman's parents did in the 1960s.
Poisonous woman. Who makes Priti Patel look like a woolly Liberal.
This has nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with the poison that fuels certain Brexiteers.
Truss is an idiot. But alongside Braverman, she looks like Albert Einstein.
1 potential advantage of Brexit is undoubtedly that we have the freedom to maintain our own immigration policy, tailored to our own needs, as opposed to the needs of the wider EU. As an Island, it is inevitable that our needs will differ enormously from Mainland Europe.
Our Immigration policy should be relatively simple. Do our fair share in relation to people genuinely fleeing oppression (no more, no less). And to take in Economic Migrants provided they make Economic sense, on terms appropriate to our short-term/long-term need. Not difficult. Even for someone as dim as Truss.
But for the Bravermans of this World, Immigration becomes a purely political issue. To stop "foreigners" coming in. Like, er, Mrs Braverman's parents did in the 1960s.
Poisonous woman. Who makes Priti Patel look like a woolly Liberal.
They seem incapable of putting together a coherent policy on anything very much.
I have just got around to reading the in-depth article signposted in the msn article.
This is madness.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Not the EU. But the steel tariff rules mean that Northern Ireland has to pay a 25% tariff on UK steel imports. And 0% on EU imports. Why?
Because of a unilateral decision by the EU.
So-and I struggle to believe this-a sovereign nation-the UK-has to pay a tariff to ship goods to another part of the UK. Because the EU says so. And we have to pay a tariff to the EU regardless of whether the goods ever cross the border into the EU. While steel via Ireland is automatically cheaper.
So-not only do we have to pay for the privilege of policing the border on behalf of the EU. Purely for the benefit of the EU. We have to pay the EU for steel which has absolutely nothing to do with them. Not if it crosses into the EU.
If anyone genuinely believes that this isn't a clear breach of the Good Friday Agreement, then they live in a different world to me.
Isnt this called having your cake and eating it?
Didnt Boris put a trade border in the Irish Sea?
Didnt NI remain in the SM/CU?
Wasnt this done in the name of preserving the GFA, and avoiding a hard border in Ireland?
Didnt this give NI the best of both worlds?
Short answer. No.
This is the EU having its cake and eating it.
The agreement included a clause which would avoid the need for this tariff. This has been cancelled in June by the EU unilaterally.
Try reading your own articles and you will see what I mean. They have used the situation in Ukraine as an excuse to increase the price of UK steel. In the UK.
That is a very biased interpretation.
Should we have made the EU swear that they wouldnt change any rules ever, before we left. As we now wish to continue the grace periods for ever, maybe we should have made them swear to not changing the rules for us after we left, from when we were members. We always seem to want the penny and the bun.
As the article says, this has come into effect because NI follows EU customs rules, as per the protocol. This is something you continually ignore. When the EU introduce rules affecting third countries, they obviously affect the UK because we have left. When the UK export to NI, we are effectively exporting to the EU. We were in fact using the UK tariff quota to the EU, for these exports. Where we find a rule that doesnt suit us, we wish to scream like stuck pigs Yet we ignore the thousands of rules that are in our favour. These tariffs apply to all other countries, not just us.
Had we gone for the backstop, this rule wouldnt have applied as the UK would have remained intact. It only applies because of the protocol, which we signed. You surely cant expect the EU not to change any rules ever. Or even just change rules that dont affect us.
Where would we have been if the EU had refused to agree to an Irish Sea border? Shouldnt they be charging us pro rata for NI membership?
It is unlikely to affect the construction industry in NI, as they are more likely to buy from the EU, and avoid the tariff. Something that may apply to many more products in the future.
The EU is the largest Protectionist organisation in the World.
That is its prerogative. What is not is that we should be expected to pay to be their police force, and to pay them a tariff for goods that are never going to the EU.
Put simply, Northern Ireland was temporarily put into the Customs Union for political expediency. So the rest of the UK could leave the EU. Something which had been completely ignored by both Leavers and Remainers when it mattered.
Now? It is not Northern Ireland that has the best of both worlds. It is the EU. Getting us to pay to police their protectionist borders. Why? We are perfectly willing to allow frictionless trade both sides of the Border. And good luck to the EU trying to prevent that. Because it has always happened at a local level. And always will.
Going forward, the UK should not be paying for all this. There are lots of options:-
1. Northern Ireland reverts to being in the UK for trade purposes. If the EU insists on providing trade barriers, so be it. That is not our problem. That is the EU's. 2. Northern Ireland reverts to being part of all-Ireland. Plenty of support from Sinn Fein etc for all this. Would love to know what the plan is to stop Loyalist paramilitaries torching the place. And where a lot of people are going to live. Because it will just be 1921 in reverse. 3. The whole of the UK joins the Customs Union at 1 level or another. The sensible solution. The 1 I would prefer. But it is not going to happen.
There is no simple solution. With Ireland, there never is. But pretending that everything is fine the way it is currently is just plain wrong.
Change is inevitable. And rather scary.
Just a reminder. We chose to leave the EU. We chose to put a trade border in the Irish Sea. We chose to leave NI in the SM/CU, and subject to EU rules. We invented, and agreed the protocol.
The EU didnt force us into any of the above. We moan about checks between NI/GB, yet there were checks while we were members.
Reminders work both ways. We did choose to leave the EU. It would not be our choice as to whether to rejoin. We did choose to place a trade border in the Irish Sea. But we could remove that We can choose to take NI out of the Single Market. The protocol was initiated by us, but it is a 2-way street. It is not working. Hence the need for change.
Truss promises to slash EU red tape – what’s the truth behind the rhetoric?
Here’s my plan for growth, Liz Truss: rejoin the EU and let its citizens work here
The bring-back-Boris brigade need their heads – and values – examined. Anyway, we now learn that my old acquaintance Boris has already embarked on the US lecture circuit, where he is boasting about Brexit, while on this side of the Atlantic his obsession with getting Brexit done is recognised as a first-class disaster. A recent YouGov poll shows that 87% of respondents agree the economy has suffered since Brexit, with 38% of leave voters and 37% of Conservative voters blaming Brexit. As the Nous thinktank (formerly Global Future) points out, respondents want politicians “to stop avoiding the subject” – Keir Starmer please note!
Two ways of improving this country’s growth rate would be to rejoin the single market and welcome EU citizens who want to work here, and, my goodness, plenty of British employers would welcome them.
The Brexit about which Johnson boasts has eroded our access to our principal market, with devastating effects on our trade. Kwarteng’s desire to aggravate the impact of austerity, Brexit and the cost of living crisis in order to cut taxes for the rich, with no evidence it would stimulate growth, was deranged.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-is-tories-biggest-failure-with-no-plan-for-future-keir-starmer-says/ar-AA12iPHE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a592081095404593b5a8dfadf1bbd211
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/liz-truss-will-fly-to-prague-to-join-new-european-political-community/ar-AA12pgLT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=abdee03f2ee04544832df6577ec73936
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/sir-james-dyson-s-uk-business-pays-out-460m-dividend-to-singapore-parent/ar-AA12rUAQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=95f1023889504e2ebf345e32f808b47c
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-minister-steve-baker-apologises-173437865.html
The trouble is the Tory majority in this Government want to be back in the EU and standing still waiting for it to happen. Why do you think it took so long to leave.
Labour and "Starmer" are Mini Me Tories no change there same old same blank promises that never happen. We inherited Gloom & Doom take years to sort. ?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hopes-mount-of-brexit-breakthrough-as-uk-minister-apologises-for-hardline-stance/ar-AA12xTdf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=643f182868864e07b0d281f2c50599a5
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/brexit-bill-proves-our-only-solution-is-rejoining-eu-when-the-time-is-right/ar-AA12DsWI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b081cf6000184a659f22c19cbfce206b
And everything to do with the poison that fuels certain Brexiteers.
Truss is an idiot. But alongside Braverman, she looks like Albert Einstein.
1 potential advantage of Brexit is undoubtedly that we have the freedom to maintain our own immigration policy, tailored to our own needs, as opposed to the needs of the wider EU. As an Island, it is inevitable that our needs will differ enormously from Mainland Europe.
Our Immigration policy should be relatively simple. Do our fair share in relation to people genuinely fleeing oppression (no more, no less). And to take in Economic Migrants provided they make Economic sense, on terms appropriate to our short-term/long-term need. Not difficult. Even for someone as dim as Truss.
But for the Bravermans of this World, Immigration becomes a purely political issue. To stop "foreigners" coming in. Like, er, Mrs Braverman's parents did in the 1960s.
Poisonous woman. Who makes Priti Patel look like a woolly Liberal.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/uk-is-more-open-to-brexit-deal-on-northern-ireland-because-of-fears-over-energy-supply-after-ukraine-war/ar-AA12Iref?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=20645e9fec674b038e4972de015180c3
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brexiteer-fury-labour-plans-derail-200000302.html
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsireland/ireland-buzzing-as-reunification-talk-grows-louder/ar-AA12LPcI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7d47161768fe4a1eaf14d80eec3849a2
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/truss-promises-to-slash-eu-red-tape-what-s-the-truth-behind-the-rhetoric/ar-AA12UaGZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1ff60e933c614c7db55f2a69efc0fc5d
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/the-markets-have-taken-back-control-so-much-for-the-delusions-of-brexit/ar-AA12Y6PH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0bd240c12b4040c7bc7f3f9461790fc3
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-mini-production-moved-out-of-britain-in-blow-for-green-car-ambitions/ar-AA12YmSz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1f201dcb70214d208b6bda64e3666af5
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/revolut-blames-brexit-as-it-shifts-one-million-trading-customers-from-london-to-lithuania/ar-AA12XYgF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=653dadeddb204725b89b1c715ab4ee7e
The bring-back-Boris brigade need their heads – and values – examined. Anyway, we now learn that my old acquaintance Boris has already embarked on the US lecture circuit, where he is boasting about Brexit, while on this side of the Atlantic his obsession with getting Brexit done is recognised as a first-class disaster. A recent YouGov poll shows that 87% of respondents agree the economy has suffered since Brexit, with 38% of leave voters and 37% of Conservative voters blaming Brexit. As the Nous thinktank (formerly Global Future) points out, respondents want politicians “to stop avoiding the subject” – Keir Starmer please note!
Two ways of improving this country’s growth rate would be to rejoin the single market and welcome EU citizens who want to work here, and, my goodness, plenty of British employers would welcome them.
The Brexit about which Johnson boasts has eroded our access to our principal market, with devastating effects on our trade. Kwarteng’s desire to aggravate the impact of austerity, Brexit and the cost of living crisis in order to cut taxes for the rich, with no evidence it would stimulate growth, was deranged.
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/plan-growth-liz-truss-rejoin-060029328.html
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/free-trade-deal-with-india-misses-target-date-in-latest-blow-to-uk-s-post-brexit-future/ar-AA12Z7Iv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=62d98e438bde4c20ae615261a4727acf