This forum, like many others I am sure, seems to follow a pattern.
When I was in school there was a small number of weirdos. They used to congregate in one corner of the playground. Nobody sensible would mix with them. They used to keep themselves to themselves.
The advent of the internet has allowed the weirdos in my school to connect with the weirdos in your school, and every other school. So even though they comprise a very small percentage of the population, this has allowed them to become a larger group of anti-vaxxers/ conspiracy theorists.
These people seem to fall into two categories. They are either clever weirdos, or not so clever weirdos. So the clever weirdos make stuff up. That is all they do, they make stuff up all day long. The not so clever weirdos post this made up stuff on every forum that they can. They are like disciples, and all they do is continually post the made up stuff on forum after forum.
So typically this is what happens. A clever weirdo posts somewhere that the earth is flat. The not so clever weirdo posts on this forum that the earth is flat. The overwhelming majority of us know for a fact that this is not true. Despite this, someone sensible like @Essexphil comes along and patiently points out the reason why this post is untrue. Now the whole point of a forum is that what should happen next is that the not so clever weirdo would defend their position, and post their arguments trying to prove why their post was correct. Of course this never happens. This is because it is impossible. So instead the not so clever weirdo just posts something else that a clever weirdo has made up. Along comes @Essexphil, who again sets out why this post is a lie. There is no defence from the not so clever weirdo. They just post another lie. And so it goes on. It is easy to differentiate between the clever weirdos, and the not so clever ones. The clever weirdos make stuff up, and the not so clever weirdos, just post the made up stuff. This is because the not so clever weirdos are not clever enough to make stuff up themselves. The sensible people just batter their heads against brick walls, as the not so clever weirdos cant defend the indefensible, this is impossible, they just move on to the next bit of made up bs.
"The sensible people just batter their heads against brick walls"
Not very sensible.
Flogging dead horses isnt.
Not forcing anyone to read it. We all have choices.
Edit: I have "horse de-wormer"
There are 3 examples below. Where Phil has patiently responded to your posts. On each occasion you have completely ignored his response. Your response has been to just carry on posting more nonsense. Exactly as I have described in the above post. The least you could do is to tell Phil why he is wrong, and you are right?
Essexphil Member Posts: 4,475 January 18 edited January 18 VespaPX said:
OK. I have read the story. I have laughed at the idiocy of the comments. Seriously, a lot of these people are going to need help with tying their shoelaces.
People get diagnosed with myocarditis every day. There have been loads of studies. all of which prove that boosters have little effect on heart conditions.
I say little effect. Not no effect. Because, of course, a virus that attacks (amongst other things) the heart, is going to have a slight impact. Fortunately, only slight. But a good effect. Not bad. The overwhelming number of people with this condition have it regardless of any coronavirus. Or vaccine. Whereas (for example) training while injured, or certain stimulants, do increase risk.
Life comes down to choices. If you want to prefer Matt Le Tissier's educated left foot, rather than the educated minds of medical science and medical experts, your choice.
Essexphil Member Posts: 4,475 January 15 VespaPX said:
This is genuinely interesting. But I think it is important also to hear the other side of this particular coin,
1. She has clearly received advice that says it is in her best interests to have the vaccine 2. She is a midwife, not a heart or virology specialist. Would love to see her reaction if a Heart specialist tried to tell her the best way of delivering babies 3. Suppose there are 4 Midwives in her particular area. How many pregnant women would choose to have their baby delivered by someone who is unvaccinated? 4. Do you think that it is the same 8% who choose not to be vaccinated themselves? Or do you think the figure is rather lower-because the number of people who choose not to vaccinate is not the same as the number who are happy for other people to do so, when it is their wife or child at risk 5. If, for example, there are 4 midwives. And 2 are unvaccinated. And 95% of expectant mothers expect the delivery etc to be attended by only the other 2.
What should the NHS do?
Difficult choices have to be made. There is no 1 simple answer. Because you cannot just look at the "right" of 1 midwife. And ignore 200 patients.
Essexphil Member Posts: 4,475 January 15 edited January 15 VespaPX said:
The trouble with these statistics is that people do not understand what they actually mean.
If you click on to your link, you will see that what the ONS means by this is that Covid was the sole reason for death listed on the Death Cert.
I have seen a fair few in my time. They almost always (on any death, not just Covid ones) list at least 1 primary cause of death. And at least 1 secondary.
So-the reason for the low numbers is this. Firstly, there would need to be no comorbidity that was relevant and pre-existing.
And secondly, that the disease did not of itself create a comorbidity. So-it did not cause massive lung damage, or a heart attack, or pneumonia or sepsis.
Whereas, in reality Covid is a major cause, even the major cause in many deaths. But, in medical terms, the sole cause in far fewer.
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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jan/10/does-vitamin-d-combat-covid
Delicious irony.
When I was in school there was a small number of weirdos.
They used to congregate in one corner of the playground.
Nobody sensible would mix with them.
They used to keep themselves to themselves.
The advent of the internet has allowed the weirdos in my school to connect with the weirdos in your school, and every other school.
So even though they comprise a very small percentage of the population, this has allowed them to become a larger group of anti-vaxxers/ conspiracy theorists.
These people seem to fall into two categories.
They are either clever weirdos, or not so clever weirdos.
So the clever weirdos make stuff up.
That is all they do, they make stuff up all day long.
The not so clever weirdos post this made up stuff on every forum that they can.
They are like disciples, and all they do is continually post the made up stuff on forum after forum.
So typically this is what happens.
A clever weirdo posts somewhere that the earth is flat.
The not so clever weirdo posts on this forum that the earth is flat.
The overwhelming majority of us know for a fact that this is not true.
Despite this, someone sensible like @Essexphil comes along and patiently points out the reason why this post is untrue.
Now the whole point of a forum is that what should happen next is that the not so clever weirdo would defend their position, and post their arguments trying to prove why their post was correct.
Of course this never happens.
This is because it is impossible.
So instead the not so clever weirdo just posts something else that a clever weirdo has made up.
Along comes @Essexphil, who again sets out why this post is a lie.
There is no defence from the not so clever weirdo.
They just post another lie.
And so it goes on.
It is easy to differentiate between the clever weirdos, and the not so clever ones.
The clever weirdos make stuff up, and the not so clever weirdos, just post the made up stuff.
This is because the not so clever weirdos are not clever enough to make stuff up themselves.
The sensible people just batter their heads against brick walls, as the not so clever weirdos cant defend the indefensible, this is impossible, they just move on to the next bit of made up bs.
Not very sensible.
We all have choices.
Edit:
I have "horse de-wormer"
Where Phil has patiently responded to your posts.
On each occasion you have completely ignored his response.
Your response has been to just carry on posting more nonsense.
Exactly as I have described in the above post.
The least you could do is to tell Phil why he is wrong, and you are right?
Essexphil Member Posts: 4,475
January 18 edited January 18
VespaPX said:
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/triple-vaccinated-swiss-olympic-athlete-diagnosed-with-myocarditis/
OK. I have read the story. I have laughed at the idiocy of the comments. Seriously, a lot of these people are going to need help with tying their shoelaces.
People get diagnosed with myocarditis every day. There have been loads of studies. all of which prove that boosters have little effect on heart conditions.
I say little effect. Not no effect. Because, of course, a virus that attacks (amongst other things) the heart, is going to have a slight impact. Fortunately, only slight. But a good effect. Not bad. The overwhelming number of people with this condition have it regardless of any coronavirus. Or vaccine. Whereas (for example) training while injured, or certain stimulants, do increase risk.
Life comes down to choices. If you want to prefer Matt Le Tissier's educated left foot, rather than the educated minds of medical science and medical experts, your choice.
Essexphil Member Posts: 4,475
January 15
VespaPX said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10405625/Unjabbed-midwife-fears-losing-job-compulsory-vaccines-NHS-staff.html
This is genuinely interesting. But I think it is important also to hear the other side of this particular coin,
1. She has clearly received advice that says it is in her best interests to have the vaccine
2. She is a midwife, not a heart or virology specialist. Would love to see her reaction if a Heart specialist tried to tell her the best way of delivering babies
3. Suppose there are 4 Midwives in her particular area. How many pregnant women would choose to have their baby delivered by someone who is unvaccinated?
4. Do you think that it is the same 8% who choose not to be vaccinated themselves? Or do you think the figure is rather lower-because the number of people who choose not to vaccinate is not the same as the number who are happy for other people to do so, when it is their wife or child at risk
5. If, for example, there are 4 midwives. And 2 are unvaccinated. And 95% of expectant mothers expect the delivery etc to be attended by only the other 2.
What should the NHS do?
Difficult choices have to be made. There is no 1 simple answer. Because you cannot just look at the "right" of 1 midwife. And ignore 200 patients.
Essexphil Member Posts: 4,475
January 15 edited January 15
VespaPX said:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=08
The trouble with these statistics is that people do not understand what they actually mean.
If you click on to your link, you will see that what the ONS means by this is that Covid was the sole reason for death listed on the Death Cert.
I have seen a fair few in my time. They almost always (on any death, not just Covid ones) list at least 1 primary cause of death. And at least 1 secondary.
So-the reason for the low numbers is this. Firstly, there would need to be no comorbidity that was relevant and pre-existing.
And secondly, that the disease did not of itself create a comorbidity. So-it did not cause massive lung damage, or a heart attack, or pneumonia or sepsis.
Whereas, in reality Covid is a major cause, even the major cause in many deaths. But, in medical terms, the sole cause in far fewer.
Never replies when he's pulled up on the various shite he posts, but more than happy to keep posting shite, in his blissfully ignorant way.
I guess when your hero is Lozza Fox, you're bound to be a bit of a turnip.