For people interested in the history of boxing, this is the wiki page and an encyclopaedia entry of my Great-Great-Uncle. He lived in different times.
Believed to be sport's first $Millionaire. Last bare-knuckle champion. Alcoholic for many years. Later lay preacher, trying to save people from alcohol. Died skint. But lived a full life. Amongst other things, Mike Tyson's boxing hero.
And the inspiration for Long Johns ? Well that's what my dad always told me as he used to wear them all the time.
Because he was the first sportsman to get widespread coverage from the national press, a lot of stories were told. Undoubtedly some were true, and some were not.
He did wear "John L's", and there are various claims that that led to "Long Johns".
I have read that in 1 of his fights Wyatt Earp was the ref, with 2 drawn pistols. That he once fought immediately after consuming 2 bottles of whiskey. And won. In the 62nd round. (Not as mad as it sounds under "London" rules)
For people interested in the history of boxing, this is the wiki page and an encyclopaedia entry of my Great-Great-Uncle. He lived in different times.
Believed to be sport's first $Millionaire. Last bare-knuckle champion. Alcoholic for many years. Later lay preacher, trying to save people from alcohol. Died skint. But lived a full life. Amongst other things, Mike Tyson's boxing hero.
And the inspiration for Long Johns ? Well that's what my dad always told me as he used to wear them all the time.
Because he was the first sportsman to get widespread coverage from the national press, a lot of stories were told. Undoubtedly some were true, and some were not.
He did wear "John L's", and there are various claims that that led to "Long Johns".
I have read that in 1 of his fights Wyatt Earp was the ref, with 2 drawn pistols. That he once fought immediately after consuming 2 bottles of whiskey. And won. In the 62nd round. (Not as mad as it sounds under "London" rules)
lol
It is important to recognise that the "London" Rules were totally different to the Marquis of Queensbury rules of today,
People often (in my view mistakenly) centre on the fact that the Queensbury Rules mandated the use of gloves. But under the London Rules it was up to the boxers to agree-and by the mid-19th Century gloves were almost always chosen. Simply because fighters could fight more often, and thus earn more money. John L Sullivan is only definitely known to have fought professionally 3 times bare knuckle.
The most important change was the introduction of the 3 minute round/1 minute break.
Under the London rules there was a 30-second break after every knockdown. And then a further 8 seconds to "come up to the mark"/"come up to scratch" (there was a mark in the middle of the ring). It was customary then, whenever a fighter felt under pressure, to go down for the 30-second rest.
Increasingly, rounds under the London Rules were only lasting 10-20 seconds. So 61 "rounds" of Boxing under the London rules may only have seen 15 minutes of fighting. Or, in today's Rules, 5 rounds with 30-odd minutes of break between rounds.
The Queensbury Rules changed boxing totally. Endurance, and mental endurance, changed the art of boxing totally.
John L Sullivan lost his title for a variety of reasons. Some of these were unavoidable-size and reach became relatively more important than punching power. Some, avoidable-being physically fit became more important. 15 x 3 minute rounds meant you had to be able to fight for 45 minutes in an hour. Today, it is normally a maximum of 12-but there are still major differences.
Some boxers have been brilliant Amateurs over 3 rounds. But could not cope with the different demands of 12/15 rounds. Particularly Heavyweights. 2 names that, under London Rules would have been legends.
Earnie Shavers. And Audley Harrison.
Meanwhile, important to have this thread back on track-apologies.
I don't think the sons of Eubank/Benn are quite as good as their fathers. But then very few World Champions are. And 1 or both could become exactly that.
Eubank to bear Williams for me. 6 or 8 rounds of boxing lesson, followed by comprehensive KO.
two of my favorite boxers ever Boy were these two top notch Herol Bomber Graham the best boxer never to win a world title ? Mike McCallum was top drawer,when Herol & Mike fought for the title in 89,fight of the year contender,and a split decision,Mike won the world title that night,Herol so close. A year later Herol boxed Julian Jackson for the world title,for 4 rounds Herol totally schooled Jackson,as we all know,takes a nano second in boxing to change everything,Jackson sparked Herol with 'the punch from ****' Classy humble fella He was perhaps the best British fighter never to win a world title. Herol Graham has heard that remark so many times that he could be forgiven for being a little nauseous but, kind and pleasant to a fault, he only sees the good within the bitter sweet depiction. “It means a lot to me,” said Graham without a hint of pretense. “ I didn’t win a world title but I came mighty close and I’m respected within the sport. In the build up to a championship fight something always seemed to happen, whether it was girl trouble, or trouble in training camp. “In the end, it just wasn’t meant to be.” Dont blink,only 7 minutes,the full highlights of a 12 round title fight 1989 Herol v Mike McCallum,split decision in Mikes Favour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1dqwazB30w
latest from Chris Eubank Junior Bromance ? totally,love the fella ? yep. Ice in his veins,Tuned to the minute,Trained like an animal his entire career. Tutored for near 2 years by Roy Jones Junior (like that not going to improve Junior?) Granite Chin,I.Q mighty high,Heart Monumetal,all in all on Chris,performence of your life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2BWkHt1R1M
I will mention 3 British boxers who could also be in the mix.
1. Henry Cooper. He was among the best Heavyweights in the world. But-in Heavyweight terms-he was tiny. Normally weighed in at what today would be Cruiserweight. But that weight category did not exist back then
2. Michael Watson. Came close. 3 times. Quality.
3. Kirkland Laing. OK-we all know he largely wasted his talent. But his talent was prodigious. Name another British boxer who could have schooled Duran in his prime.
Compare any of those 3 to some of the, frankly, second-rate Boxers that have won a World title...
Think all of the contenders for best british fighter to never win a title will be before the days of 4 + World titles which is before my time. But there are a couple from the modern era I think deserve a mention.
Probably not in the class of a Herrol Graham or a Michael Watson but Martin Murray was utterly robbed against the brilliant Sergio Martinez in Argentina and twice in Germany he got very harsh decisions against Abraham and Sturm(draw). Had a solid career and must be galling for him that he never got the chance to call himself a middleweight world champion while others with less talent like Darren Barker and Andy Lee did. I suppose he paid the price for not having a big promoter behind him. If he had been promoted by Hearn or Warren for his whole career I don't have any doubt he would have won a belt at some point.
I was dissapointed Luke Campbell never got to hold a world title. I think he is the most decorated amatuer we have ever had. His pro career was hindered by personal problems. I felt heartbroken for the lad when he revealed his father had died and he had kept it to himself only two weeks prior to his first ever title shot against Linares and I still think he was a bit unlucky with the split decision verdict. He went the 12 with Lomachenko who seemed untouchable at the time and he was winning against Garcia in his last fight until he got folded by a body shot. He always seemed such a nice laddie too, my daughter who was 12 in 2012 became a huge fan of his during London games and was so inspired by him she even took up boxing herself for the next few years, something which pleased me enormously as she had never even shown an interest in any sport pre Olympics.
Hopefully another of my favourites, Dylian Whyte isn't eligible for any of these lists by the time he retires but I fear he will be as long as Usyk and Fury are about.
BTW those Graham v McCallam highlights were tremendous. Never seen them before. Would never have thought Herol would have went to war with him like that.
Think all of the contenders for best british fighter to never win a title will be before the days of 4 + World titles which is before my time. But there are a couple from the modern era I think deserve a mention.
Probably not in the class of a Herrol Graham or a Michael Watson but Martin Murray was utterly robbed against the brilliant Sergio Martinez in Argentina and twice in Germany he got very harsh decisions against Abraham and Sturm(draw). Had a solid career and must be galling for him that he never got the chance to call himself a middleweight world champion while others with less talent like Darren Barker and Andy Lee did. I suppose he paid the price for not having a big promoter behind him. If he had been promoted by Hearn or Warren for his whole career I don't have any doubt he would have won a belt at some point.
I was dissapointed Luke Campbell never got to hold a world title. I think he is the most decorated amatuer we have ever had. His pro career was hindered by personal problems. I felt heartbroken for the lad when he revealed his father had died and he had kept it to himself only two weeks prior to his first ever title shot against Linares and I still think he was a bit unlucky with the split decision verdict. He went the 12 with Lomachenko who seemed untouchable at the time and he was winning against Garcia in his last fight until he got folded by a body shot. He always seemed such a nice laddie too, my daughter who was 12 in 2012 became a huge fan of his during London games and was so inspired by him she even took up boxing herself for the next few years, something which pleased me enormously as she had never even shown an interest in any sport pre Olympics.
Hopefully another of my favourites, Dylian Whyte isn't eligible for any of these lists by the time he retires but I fear he will be as long as Usyk and Fury are about.
Think Martin Murray was desperately unlucky. Definitely the best recently.
Luke Campbell? He had the tools, no doubt. Never quite happened for him.
Dillian Whyte? People underestimate him. Probably 1 notch below the very best. But he only has to catch 1 of those on a 95% day, and he will be world champion. If he is ever at odds of more than 2/1, back him. Against anyone.
Great thread as it made me look back at some 1970/80s fights with names such as Minter,Kaylor,Sibson,Christie,Conteh,Stacey,Dave Boy Green & Magri etc which then lead me to this page with a few other greats of the time.
Great thread as it made me look back at some 1970/80s fights with names such as Minter,Kaylor,Sibson,Christie,Conteh,Stacey,Dave Boy Green & Magri etc which then lead me to this page with a few other greats of the time.
Just want to briefly mention 2 of them in that list.
Joe Bugner. He was a lot better than people gave him credit for. It was an open secret that Bugner didn't really like punching people. I remember Ali saying that no top heavyweight would bad-mouth Bugner. Be nice to him, and get a Points win. But never make him hate you. If you did? Try watching Bugner v Richard Dunn.
Dave "Boy" Green. He was great to watch. All action. Great body puncher. Not the luckiest in the ring. For example, Sugar Ray Leonard says he (Leonard) only ever threw 1 perfect punch. And it was Dave Boy Green whose jaw it lands on. Watch it and see.
Great thread as it made me look back at some 1970/80s fights with names such as Minter,Kaylor,Sibson,Christie,Conteh,Stacey,Dave Boy Green & Magri etc which then lead me to this page with a few other greats of the time.
Just want to briefly mention 2 of them in that list.
Joe Bugner. He was a lot better than people gave him credit for. It was an open secret that Bugner didn't really like punching people. I remember Ali saying that no top heavyweight would bad-mouth Bugner. Be nice to him, and get a Points win. But never make him hate you. If you did? Try watching Bugner v Richard Dunn.
Dave "Boy" Green. He was great to watch. All action. Great body puncher. Not the luckiest in the ring. For example, Sugar Ray Leonard says he (Leonard) only ever threw 1 perfect punch. And it was Dave Boy Green whose jaw it lands on. Watch it and see.
My teenage / early adult memories of both Magri and Green were of 2 fighters who were just that, absolute animals in the ring who seemed to lose something when they tried to become boxers.
Also I think Joe Calzaghe was perhaps one of the greatest British boxers. No great knock out power but by heck what a brilliant boxer.
One guy who's fights were usually great viewing was Lloyd Honneygan, some he won, some he lost, some were just weird.
Probably the only thing that ever makes me jealous of old people is when I hear them talk about these great fighters I'm not old enough to remember. ☺
@Essexphil Agree Whyte would be a great bet at 2/1 against anyone. He has the power to knock anyone out with either hand and he always leaves everytng in the ring. Might be a bit of a controversial opinion too I would fancy him really strongly against Usyk. He wouldn't stand off and try and outbox him like AJ foolishly did that's for sure. Hopefully the fight with him and Fury goes ahead as it has the potential to be a classic and the build up will be great if nothing else. It was ridiculous really that he never got a shot at the title when Wilder was champion that would have been a great 50/50 fight while it lasted. He has been in the number 1 position with WBC for years it seems. I find him a really likeable character too so I would love to see him beat one of the big 3 for a title.
Always best to take a considered time out, reflect & think through 'ones' opinion. The Boxing World was able to observe two tuned & trained to the minute middleweights box the full 12 rounds. As yet,unaware of any excuses from Williams? Hope there won't be any, he might profer dietry issues,cutting weight,maybe we will hear 'carrying an injury' hope not. Some commentators amaze me. One had Williams winning 8 of the 12 rounds Opposite of that, multiple offerings inclusive of; 'dazzling display' from Chris Eubank Junior, best dominant performance of Juniors career, 'a vastly improved Chris Eubank Junior showcased the improvements made under Roy Jones Junior. Footwork,movement,shot selection, boxing IQ Unusally,boxing fans now have the perfect barometer now to judge Chris. April 2021 Williams boxed Demetrius Boo Boo Andrade. Reigning WBO middleweight champ since 2018, 13 year pro record 31 & O. That bout went the full 12 rounds, unanimous decision to Andrade,Williams got dropped in round 2,if you believe the Williams hype? he thinks he was on the cusp of stopping Andrade in the 9th round. Official scorecards, 116-111 118-109 118-109. Adrade 13 year pro 31 & 0, generally acknowledged as one of the best 3 middleweight on the planet. February 2022 (finally) Liam Williams boxes Chris Eubank Junior. Williams dropped r1 & r2 & r4 & r11, scorecard 117-109 116-108 116-109. Not here, repeat not here! elsewhere. The same boxing herd that wax lyrical about Demetrius Andrade (so do I) are still lambasting Junior after last night as if suddenly, Liam Williams in boxing terms rates as zero.Which means,they are not objective. Will Billy Jo Saunders box again,awol since retiring hurt v Canelo (zero shame in that,ever) Possible, potentially plenty ifs & buts,Billy Jo gets himself in shape, wins a comeback fight, I am convinced Junior will fight next for a world title. Kalle says its near a done deal,guess Gennady Golovkin,maybe Andrade,if Junior boxes for a world title and is victorious,Junior Billy Jo 2 potentially sell out! Be feisty that would. If I hear one more 'pundit' 'commentator' refer to Williams being dropped by jabs! be opening an early vino! Not jabs,watch 'the twist' at the end of the jab,as taught to Chris by Roy Jones. Be interested to see the new middleweight rankings after that. Chris deserves his world title shot now,dream scenario this summer, how about at The Amex! Sure Kalle Mr Bloom & Junior could make that work,Tony & Chris prectically neighbours! If Junior fights there it would be a sellout, and a mini boom for the local economy.Going to put that suggestion to Chris. Now that would be special.Ifso, pretty sure (not that it matters) but with hindsight, glad a special bit of music didn't get 'wasted' last night,more fitting for his world title shot,has to be next, has to. No idea if Chris intends to be at home during March, but I promise I will be asking him if he fancies a day's poker at SPT Brighton, no idea on 'poker contracts' / company affiliations (his) if that precludes him being able to play, promise I will ask him. https://youtu.be/x4Weyje3XlQ
Thought you would have enjoyed that PJ ☺ . It looked to me like he might have hurt his left hand as he hardly threw his jab in second half of the fight and reverted back to how he used to fight with some wild swings. I would have said two of the knockdown were definitely jabs (the first and third kd's). I was always taught to twist my hands when throwing any straight punches. The timing of his punches in the opening 4 rounds was Roy Jones-esque. It is great that he has found a trainer that he respects and listens too. I reckon he should be chasing the BJS fight. There will be more money in that than a world title fight I would have thought. Every decent human being in the county wants to see BJ take a good hiding in the ring.
I agree on the commentary. I suppose you should expect this when you've got a fighter managed by a drug cartel and the cartel's own man on commentary. I really hoped we'd heard the last of Macklin when Matchroom left Sky Sports. Maccrinelli just came across as a moron agreeing with everything macklin said and he was obviously biased being Welsh. The best co-commentator of the night was the American fighter. Sky's logic seems to be female commentators can only commentate on female fights which is utterly pathetic.
very interesting 8 minutes, Junior & Gareth chatting. every time Junior wins, along come the call out's. Don't think Felix Cash will be getting anywhere near Junior anytime soon,good prospect,but a long long way to go. As you will hear, seems both Billy Jo & Connor are very serious. Connor,gone on record that Kalle & Eddie discussed it! Junior v Billy Jo 2 (no belts) however huge domestic bout & both must be regarded World Level, would Saunders sign up? no 'warm ups' get into a 3 month training camp for a blockbuster in June / July. I believe that's a Wembley Stadium bout,a huge payday for both. Will it, could get signed sealed delivered. Thought the notion of Connor calling out Chris was simply a giggle,to a degree still do.Money Talk's always! If you listen below,seems to have traction,have to be catch weight. Would love to know what each fighter would 'nett' if either bout takes place.
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People often (in my view mistakenly) centre on the fact that the Queensbury Rules mandated the use of gloves. But under the London Rules it was up to the boxers to agree-and by the mid-19th Century gloves were almost always chosen. Simply because fighters could fight more often, and thus earn more money. John L Sullivan is only definitely known to have fought professionally 3 times bare knuckle.
The most important change was the introduction of the 3 minute round/1 minute break.
Under the London rules there was a 30-second break after every knockdown. And then a further 8 seconds to "come up to the mark"/"come up to scratch" (there was a mark in the middle of the ring). It was customary then, whenever a fighter felt under pressure, to go down for the 30-second rest.
Increasingly, rounds under the London Rules were only lasting 10-20 seconds. So 61 "rounds" of Boxing under the London rules may only have seen 15 minutes of fighting. Or, in today's Rules, 5 rounds with 30-odd minutes of break between rounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Prize_Ring_Rules
The Queensbury Rules changed boxing totally. Endurance, and mental endurance, changed the art of boxing totally.
John L Sullivan lost his title for a variety of reasons. Some of these were unavoidable-size and reach became relatively more important than punching power. Some, avoidable-being physically fit became more important. 15 x 3 minute rounds meant you had to be able to fight for 45 minutes in an hour. Today, it is normally a maximum of 12-but there are still major differences.
Some boxers have been brilliant Amateurs over 3 rounds. But could not cope with the different demands of 12/15 rounds. Particularly Heavyweights. 2 names that, under London Rules would have been legends.
Earnie Shavers. And Audley Harrison.
Meanwhile, important to have this thread back on track-apologies.
I don't think the sons of Eubank/Benn are quite as good as their fathers. But then very few World Champions are. And 1 or both could become exactly that.
Eubank to bear Williams for me. 6 or 8 rounds of boxing lesson, followed by comprehensive KO.
Interesting article from Steve Bunce:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/60146531
Boy were these two top notch
Herol Bomber Graham the best boxer never to win a world title ?
Mike McCallum was top drawer,when Herol & Mike fought for the title in 89,fight of the year contender,and a split decision,Mike won the world title that night,Herol so close.
A year later Herol boxed Julian Jackson for the world title,for 4 rounds Herol totally schooled Jackson,as we all know,takes a nano second in boxing to change everything,Jackson sparked Herol with 'the punch from ****'
Classy humble fella
He was perhaps the best British fighter never to win a world title.
Herol Graham has heard that remark so many times that he could be forgiven for being a little nauseous but, kind and pleasant to a fault, he only sees the good within the bitter sweet depiction.
“It means a lot to me,” said Graham without a hint of pretense. “ I didn’t win a world title but I came mighty close and I’m respected within the sport. In the build up to a championship fight something always seemed to happen, whether it was girl trouble, or trouble in training camp.
“In the end, it just wasn’t meant to be.”
Dont blink,only 7 minutes,the full highlights of a 12 round title fight 1989
Herol v Mike McCallum,split decision in Mikes Favour.
latest from Chris Eubank Junior
Bromance ? totally,love the fella ? yep.
Ice in his veins,Tuned to the minute,Trained like an animal his entire career.
Tutored for near 2 years by Roy Jones Junior (like that not going to improve Junior?)
Granite Chin,I.Q mighty high,Heart Monumetal,all in all on Chris,performence of your life.
link for last live presser tomorrow
Herol "Bomber" Graham must be in the mix there.
I will mention 3 British boxers who could also be in the mix.
1. Henry Cooper. He was among the best Heavyweights in the world. But-in Heavyweight terms-he was tiny. Normally weighed in at what today would be Cruiserweight. But that weight category did not exist back then
2. Michael Watson. Came close. 3 times. Quality.
3. Kirkland Laing. OK-we all know he largely wasted his talent. But his talent was prodigious. Name another British boxer who could have schooled Duran in his prime.
Compare any of those 3 to some of the, frankly, second-rate Boxers that have won a World title...
Probably not in the class of a Herrol Graham or a Michael Watson but Martin Murray was utterly robbed against the brilliant Sergio Martinez in Argentina and twice in Germany he got very harsh decisions against Abraham and Sturm(draw). Had a solid career and must be galling for him that he never got the chance to call himself a middleweight world champion while others with less talent like Darren Barker and Andy Lee did. I suppose he paid the price for not having a big promoter behind him. If he had been promoted by Hearn or Warren for his whole career I don't have any doubt he would have won a belt at some point.
I was dissapointed Luke Campbell never got to hold a world title. I think he is the most decorated amatuer we have ever had. His pro career was hindered by personal problems. I felt heartbroken for the lad when he revealed his father had died and he had kept it to himself only two weeks prior to his first ever title shot against Linares and I still think he was a bit unlucky with the split decision verdict. He went the 12 with Lomachenko who seemed untouchable at the time and he was winning against Garcia in his last fight until he got folded by a body shot. He always seemed such a nice laddie too, my daughter who was 12 in 2012 became a huge fan of his during London games and was so inspired by him she even took up boxing herself for the next few years, something which pleased me enormously as she had never even shown an interest in any sport pre Olympics.
Hopefully another of my favourites, Dylian Whyte isn't eligible for any of these lists by the time he retires but I fear he will be as long as Usyk and Fury are about.
Luke Campbell? He had the tools, no doubt. Never quite happened for him.
Dillian Whyte? People underestimate him. Probably 1 notch below the very best. But he only has to catch 1 of those on a 95% day, and he will be world champion. If he is ever at odds of more than 2/1, back him. Against anyone.
https://bln70s80s.weebly.com/my-top-20-british-boxers-of-the-70s-and-80s.html
Just want to briefly mention 2 of them in that list.
Joe Bugner. He was a lot better than people gave him credit for. It was an open secret that Bugner didn't really like punching people. I remember Ali saying that no top heavyweight would bad-mouth Bugner. Be nice to him, and get a Points win. But never make him hate you. If you did? Try watching Bugner v Richard Dunn.
Dave "Boy" Green. He was great to watch. All action. Great body puncher. Not the luckiest in the ring. For example, Sugar Ray Leonard says he (Leonard) only ever threw 1 perfect punch. And it was Dave Boy Green whose jaw it lands on. Watch it and see.
@Essexphil
Also I think Joe Calzaghe was perhaps one of the greatest British boxers. No great knock out power but by heck what a brilliant boxer.
One guy who's fights were usually great viewing was Lloyd Honneygan, some he won, some he lost, some were just weird.
@Essexphil Agree Whyte would be a great bet at 2/1 against anyone. He has the power to knock anyone out with either hand and he always leaves everytng in the ring. Might be a bit of a controversial opinion too I would fancy him really strongly against Usyk. He wouldn't stand off and try and outbox him like AJ foolishly did that's for sure. Hopefully the fight with him and Fury goes ahead as it has the potential to be a classic and the build up will be great if nothing else. It was ridiculous really that he never got a shot at the title when Wilder was champion that would have been a great 50/50 fight while it lasted. He has been in the number 1 position with WBC for years it seems. I find him a really likeable character too so I would love to see him beat one of the big 3 for a title.
The Boxing World was able to observe two tuned & trained to the minute middleweights box the full 12 rounds.
As yet,unaware of any excuses from Williams?
Hope there won't be any, he might profer dietry issues,cutting weight,maybe we will hear 'carrying an injury' hope not.
Some commentators amaze me.
One had Williams winning 8 of the 12 rounds
Opposite of that, multiple offerings inclusive of;
'dazzling display' from Chris Eubank Junior, best dominant performance of Juniors career, 'a vastly improved Chris Eubank Junior showcased the improvements made under Roy Jones Junior.
Footwork,movement,shot selection, boxing IQ
Unusally,boxing fans now have the perfect barometer now to judge Chris.
April 2021 Williams boxed Demetrius Boo Boo Andrade.
Reigning WBO middleweight champ since 2018, 13 year pro record 31 & O.
That bout went the full 12 rounds, unanimous decision to Andrade,Williams got dropped in round 2,if you believe the Williams hype? he thinks he was on the cusp of stopping Andrade in the 9th round.
Official scorecards, 116-111 118-109 118-109.
Adrade 13 year pro 31 & 0, generally acknowledged as one of the best 3 middleweight on the planet.
February 2022 (finally) Liam Williams boxes Chris Eubank Junior.
Williams dropped r1 & r2 & r4 & r11, scorecard 117-109 116-108 116-109.
Not here, repeat not here! elsewhere.
The same boxing herd that wax lyrical about Demetrius Andrade (so do I) are still lambasting Junior after last night as if suddenly, Liam Williams in boxing terms rates as zero.Which means,they are not objective.
Will Billy Jo Saunders box again,awol since retiring hurt v Canelo
(zero shame in that,ever)
Possible, potentially plenty ifs & buts,Billy Jo gets himself in shape, wins a comeback fight, I am convinced Junior will fight next for a world title.
Kalle says its near a done deal,guess Gennady Golovkin,maybe Andrade,if Junior boxes for a world title and is victorious,Junior Billy Jo 2 potentially sell out!
Be feisty that would.
If I hear one more 'pundit' 'commentator' refer to Williams being dropped by jabs! be opening an early vino!
Not jabs,watch 'the twist' at the end of the jab,as taught to Chris by Roy Jones.
Be interested to see the new middleweight rankings after that.
Chris deserves his world title shot now,dream scenario this summer, how about at The Amex! Sure Kalle Mr Bloom & Junior could make that work,Tony & Chris prectically neighbours! If Junior fights there it would be a sellout, and a mini boom for the local economy.Going to put that suggestion to Chris.
Now that would be special.Ifso, pretty sure (not that it matters) but with hindsight, glad a special bit of music didn't get 'wasted' last night,more fitting for his world title shot,has to be next, has to.
No idea if Chris intends to be at home during March, but I promise I will be asking him if he fancies a day's poker at SPT Brighton, no idea on 'poker contracts' / company affiliations (his) if that precludes him being able to play, promise I will ask him.
I agree on the commentary. I suppose you should expect this when you've got a fighter managed by a drug cartel and the cartel's own man on commentary. I really hoped we'd heard the last of Macklin when Matchroom left Sky Sports. Maccrinelli just came across as a moron agreeing with everything macklin said and he was obviously biased being Welsh. The best co-commentator of the night was the American fighter. Sky's logic seems to be female commentators can only commentate on female fights which is utterly pathetic.
Just read this article on my phone https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/boxing-fan-loses-life-savings-26150872 and was worried about you @misterpj so glad to see you are active and having a bet today 😂 😂
Just delighted for the fella now,he a good good man.
have a fantastic 2022
every time Junior wins, along come the call out's.
Don't think Felix Cash will be getting anywhere near Junior anytime soon,good prospect,but a long long way to go.
As you will hear, seems both Billy Jo & Connor are very serious.
Connor,gone on record that Kalle & Eddie discussed it!
Junior v Billy Jo 2 (no belts) however huge domestic bout & both must be regarded World Level, would Saunders sign up? no 'warm ups' get into a 3 month training camp for a blockbuster in June / July.
I believe that's a Wembley Stadium bout,a huge payday for both.
Will it, could get signed sealed delivered.
Thought the notion of Connor calling out Chris was simply a giggle,to a degree still do.Money Talk's always!
If you listen below,seems to have traction,have to be catch weight.
Would love to know what each fighter would 'nett' if either bout takes place.