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The downfall of Hannah Ingram-Moore and the Captain Tom Foundation is a tale of human folly

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    Captain Tom’s daughter admits taking £18,000 to judge charity award and hand out plaque


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/captain-tom-daughter-admits-taking-104029693.html
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,974
    Demolition work has begun on an unauthorised spa building at the home of Captain Sir Tom Moore's daughter.

    Hannah Ingram-Moore and her husband Colin lost an appeal in October against an order to remove the structure in Marston Moretaine, Bedfordshire.

    Revised proposals for the building were submitted in February 2022 which Central Bedfordshire Council refused.

    The spa itself was removed by crane from the building on Friday.



    Neighbour Jilly Bozdogan said she was "pleased" that it was "going to come down".

    She said: "I don't think it should ever have been put up in the first place.

    "Being neighbours they could have come and talked to us. I just think it's common courtesy."

    The building was named after Capt Sir Tom, who raised £38m for the NHS by walking laps of his garden during the Covid-19 lockdown in 2020.

    After the army veteran died in February 2021, aged 100, his family set up a separate charity in his honour.

    Initially planning permission was approved for a building within the grounds of the family home to host memorabilia and celebrate Capt Sir Tom's legacy.

    Updated proposals submitted for the already partly constructed building included a spa pool, toilets and a kitchen, which a document called the design and access and heritage statement said was "for private use".

    During the planning hearing in October, representatives for the family said the spa pool would offer "rehabilitation sessions" and the building would enable the public to enjoy the celebrated fundraiser's work.

    However, planning inspector Diane Fleming said the "scale and massing" of the complex "resulted in harm" to The Old Rectory.

    A deadline of 7 February was set for the demolition of the complex.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    Captain Tom’s daughter puts family home on market for £2.25million


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/captain-tom-daughter-puts-family-105312148.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    edited July 10
    Captain Tom Moore book workers thought there would be charity donation


    People who worked on Captain Tom Moore's books said they believed there would be a 'significant donation' to charity from the profits.

    The fundraiser's daughter, Hannah Ingram-Moore, revealed in 2023 that her family kept around £800,000 from the books her late father wrote - Captain Tom's Life Lessons, One Hundred Steps and Tomorrow Will Be A Good Day.

    Ms Ingram-Moore, 53, claimed her father's wish had been for his family to have the money, despite the British Army officer suggesting in his autobiography that the book would enable him to raise money for his foundation.

    The prologue of his autobiography reads: 'Astonishingly at my age, with the offer to write this memoir I have also been given the chance to raise even more money for the charitable foundation now established in my name.'
    Discussing his books, which were written before the fundraiser's death aged 100, Ms Ingram-Moore said the money made went into Club Nook Ltd - a firm separate from the charity in his name.

    Captain Tom's daughter and her husband Colin, 67, have been disqualified from being charity trustees for ten and eight years respectively by the Charity Commission, it emerged earlier this month.

    The watchdog said there had been 'misconduct and/or mismanagement' but did not say what was specifically involved.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/captain-tom-moore-book-workers-thought-there-would-be-charity-donation/ar-BB1pHDhf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=f31c6c2a724d4502ba3e0a8d80f76849&ei=13#
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,804
    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    I dont think that anyone is criticising Captain Tom, how could they?
    His Daughter is a different matter.
    If anyone has attempted to tarnish his memory it is her.
    Although I think that despite her actions this will not be possible as he will remain a hero as far as the general public is concerned.
    His intentions seem clear in terms of the proceeds of the book sales.
    So as far as I am concerned she has robbed a charity.
    A thoroughly despicable woman.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    edited July 10
    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    Funny enough I have just done a list for my wife, of where the money is, and payments that she could stop, in the event of me popping my clogs.
    Not that I am planning on doing this anytime soon.

    My credentials.

    Cancer Research £10.(standing order).
    GOSHCC £3 per month. DD.
    St Johns Ambulance Cymru £25 one off per year. DD.

    I couldnt say how long I have been paying these, but I would guess at 20 years.
    My wife also donates to a couple.
    In addition to the above, I donated 3 payments of £29.73 to Crisis at Christmas last year.

    I am not sure why the amount you donate to charity makes you a better judge of what is right, and wrong.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,532
    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    The crucial bit is that HE raised it for charity, not to give to his family who, I assume, will have inherited quite nicely from him anyway, just based on his property value.

    HE did a great deal for charity and will be fondly remembered for doing so (as well as his armed forces service during the Second World War). His daughter did very little and will be remembered for misappropriating '£1 or £2 million personally'. Other than being banned as a director of a charity are her and her husband not facing any other action? Seems like they should be.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,804
    Enut said:

    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    The crucial bit is that HE raised it for charity, not to give to his family who, I assume, will have inherited quite nicely from him anyway, just based on his property value.

    HE did a great deal for charity and will be fondly remembered for doing so (as well as his armed forces service during the Second World War). His daughter did very little and will be remembered for misappropriating '£1 or £2 million personally'. Other than being banned as a director of a charity are her and her husband not facing any other action? Seems like they should be.
    With the greatest of respect, this is not accurate. However much the media want to convince people otherwise.

    The money Captain Tom raised for charity all went to the right place. NHS Charities Together. Every single penny of it.

    Was there an attempt to misuse charity funds in relation to the proposed alterations to the Property? Undoubtedly. That bit-despicable. Although it is important to remember that that attempt was (thankfully) unsuccessful.

    The £800,000 generated from his autobiographies? That was always intended to go to his family. The structure set up to market and sell the books was clearly to benefit his kids. There was a separate limited company set up for that very purpose. If they had been decent people, they would have donated £80,000 of the profits. If they were the sort of shysters that seem to gravitate towards the Charity sector, they would have donated £8,000. Turns out they were shameless-and donated £0. But there is absolutely nothing illegal about that. Do you seriously think lawyers acting for Captain Tom and the Publishing House didn't discuss this in detail?

    These articles show absolutely no evidence of actual wrongdoing involving money illegally going to them (although they certainly seem to have tried). Their attempt certainly means they should not be allowed anywhere near Charities.

    Here is the effect that Captain Tom inspired.

    https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5149357/financial-history

    Gross income to year end 2020 over £150 million. Year end 2022-just under £7 million

    I've seen a lot worse carried out in the name of Charity. Wish I hadn't. A good place to start would be all those charity lottery tickets that raise next to nothing for the Charities

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    Essexphil said:

    Enut said:

    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    The crucial bit is that HE raised it for charity, not to give to his family who, I assume, will have inherited quite nicely from him anyway, just based on his property value.

    HE did a great deal for charity and will be fondly remembered for doing so (as well as his armed forces service during the Second World War). His daughter did very little and will be remembered for misappropriating '£1 or £2 million personally'. Other than being banned as a director of a charity are her and her husband not facing any other action? Seems like they should be.
    With the greatest of respect, this is not accurate. However much the media want to convince people otherwise.

    The money Captain Tom raised for charity all went to the right place. NHS Charities Together. Every single penny of it.

    Was there an attempt to misuse charity funds in relation to the proposed alterations to the Property? Undoubtedly. That bit-despicable. Although it is important to remember that that attempt was (thankfully) unsuccessful.

    The £800,000 generated from his autobiographies? That was always intended to go to his family. The structure set up to market and sell the books was clearly to benefit his kids. There was a separate limited company set up for that very purpose. If they had been decent people, they would have donated £80,000 of the profits. If they were the sort of shysters that seem to gravitate towards the Charity sector, they would have donated £8,000. Turns out they were shameless-and donated £0. But there is absolutely nothing illegal about that. Do you seriously think lawyers acting for Captain Tom and the Publishing House didn't discuss this in detail?

    These articles show absolutely no evidence of actual wrongdoing involving money illegally going to them (although they certainly seem to have tried). Their attempt certainly means they should not be allowed anywhere near Charities.

    Here is the effect that Captain Tom inspired.

    https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5149357/financial-history

    Gross income to year end 2020 over £150 million. Year end 2022-just under £7 million

    I've seen a lot worse carried out in the name of Charity. Wish I hadn't. A good place to start would be all those charity lottery tickets that raise next to nothing for the Charities

    I must have misunderstod then, because the below seemed clear.

    The prologue of his autobiography reads: 'Astonishingly at my age, with the offer to write this memoir I have also been given the chance to raise even more money for the charitable foundation now established in my name.'

    Ms Ingram-Moore, 53, claimed her father's wish had been for his family to have the money, despite the British Army officer suggesting in his autobiography that the book would enable him to raise money for his foundation.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,532
    @Essexphil, so attempting to defraud a charity is not an offence, unless you actually succeed? It's a good thing the same doesn't apply to murder, rape, robbery etc etc
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,078
    ....If you say charity begins at home, you mean that people should deal with the needs of people close to them before they think about helping others. Hic!
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,440
    The problem with these sort of people is they don't have any moral decency.
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,078
    Roll Models are in short supply..... there was one in her Family.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,804
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Enut said:

    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    The crucial bit is that HE raised it for charity, not to give to his family who, I assume, will have inherited quite nicely from him anyway, just based on his property value.

    HE did a great deal for charity and will be fondly remembered for doing so (as well as his armed forces service during the Second World War). His daughter did very little and will be remembered for misappropriating '£1 or £2 million personally'. Other than being banned as a director of a charity are her and her husband not facing any other action? Seems like they should be.
    With the greatest of respect, this is not accurate. However much the media want to convince people otherwise.

    The money Captain Tom raised for charity all went to the right place. NHS Charities Together. Every single penny of it.

    Was there an attempt to misuse charity funds in relation to the proposed alterations to the Property? Undoubtedly. That bit-despicable. Although it is important to remember that that attempt was (thankfully) unsuccessful.

    The £800,000 generated from his autobiographies? That was always intended to go to his family. The structure set up to market and sell the books was clearly to benefit his kids. There was a separate limited company set up for that very purpose. If they had been decent people, they would have donated £80,000 of the profits. If they were the sort of shysters that seem to gravitate towards the Charity sector, they would have donated £8,000. Turns out they were shameless-and donated £0. But there is absolutely nothing illegal about that. Do you seriously think lawyers acting for Captain Tom and the Publishing House didn't discuss this in detail?

    These articles show absolutely no evidence of actual wrongdoing involving money illegally going to them (although they certainly seem to have tried). Their attempt certainly means they should not be allowed anywhere near Charities.

    Here is the effect that Captain Tom inspired.

    https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5149357/financial-history

    Gross income to year end 2020 over £150 million. Year end 2022-just under £7 million

    I've seen a lot worse carried out in the name of Charity. Wish I hadn't. A good place to start would be all those charity lottery tickets that raise next to nothing for the Charities

    I must have misunderstod then, because the below seemed clear.

    The prologue of his autobiography reads: 'Astonishingly at my age, with the offer to write this memoir I have also been given the chance to raise even more money for the charitable foundation now established in my name.'

    Ms Ingram-Moore, 53, claimed her father's wish had been for his family to have the money, despite the British Army officer suggesting in his autobiography that the book would enable him to raise money for his foundation.
    In news that really shouldn't surprise anybody, everybody is a mixture of good and bad. Not the Saints and Devils that the Press would have us believe.

    Those words were said by Captain Tom. Or probably, more accurately, whoever was ghost-writing it for him. The inspiration via the memoirs would have caused more people to donate to the Foundation. But, in any event, that is not the fault of the Daughter. She did not say it. You need to blame Captain Tom. Not her.

    When you are advising someone about books like these, the legal advice would deal with these sorts of points in detail. Why? Rule Number 1 of legal advice is don't get sued (unless you count "how am I going to get paid"). But it is not only that. The Publishing House know fine well it is a lot easier to sell books if the Charitable donations are clear. And there was a totally different vehicle created to receive the money. The only reason you set up a Private Limited Company is to reduce Tax. Which is not applicable if this money was ever going to a Charity.

    There was a separate limited company set up to take the profits from the autobiographies. In a totally different way from the Charity and the Charitable donations. This was all done quite deliberately. And why, exactly, can a man and his family not profit from writing about a charitable act?

    The NHS Charities would have known fine well they were not going to benefit directly from the books. But look at the way the NHS charity's income has plummeted. That is primarily due to the bad publicity.

    The Daughter, and it would appear even more her Husband, did some despicable things. About which I believe there is a separate ongoing enquiry. It is just that the money from the Books is not 1 of them.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,804
    Enut said:

    @Essexphil, so attempting to defraud a charity is not an offence, unless you actually succeed? It's a good thing the same doesn't apply to murder, rape, robbery etc etc

    Where exactly is the Fraud on the Charity? There is none.

    Do you think the Charity should be suing because £800,000 was deliberately (and legally) diverted to his family? Or profoundly grateful for the £40 million he did raise?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Enut said:

    Essexphil said:

    British people love few things more than turning on people who were once regarded as heroes.

    Let's have a bit of perspective here. Captain Tom raised about £40 million for Charity. And his family seem to have used some (at best) iffy tactics to benefit by £1 or £2 million personally. Much of which was from Autobiographies written by him about how he inspired a nation when we desperately needed inspiration

    And people who have probably contributed about £100 to Charity in their whole life say the family didn't give enough to charity.

    I'm not defending his daughter's actions. I just think we need to remember that anything she did that was unsavoury was dwarfed by the good that man did.

    The crucial bit is that HE raised it for charity, not to give to his family who, I assume, will have inherited quite nicely from him anyway, just based on his property value.

    HE did a great deal for charity and will be fondly remembered for doing so (as well as his armed forces service during the Second World War). His daughter did very little and will be remembered for misappropriating '£1 or £2 million personally'. Other than being banned as a director of a charity are her and her husband not facing any other action? Seems like they should be.
    With the greatest of respect, this is not accurate. However much the media want to convince people otherwise.

    The money Captain Tom raised for charity all went to the right place. NHS Charities Together. Every single penny of it.

    Was there an attempt to misuse charity funds in relation to the proposed alterations to the Property? Undoubtedly. That bit-despicable. Although it is important to remember that that attempt was (thankfully) unsuccessful.

    The £800,000 generated from his autobiographies? That was always intended to go to his family. The structure set up to market and sell the books was clearly to benefit his kids. There was a separate limited company set up for that very purpose. If they had been decent people, they would have donated £80,000 of the profits. If they were the sort of shysters that seem to gravitate towards the Charity sector, they would have donated £8,000. Turns out they were shameless-and donated £0. But there is absolutely nothing illegal about that. Do you seriously think lawyers acting for Captain Tom and the Publishing House didn't discuss this in detail?

    These articles show absolutely no evidence of actual wrongdoing involving money illegally going to them (although they certainly seem to have tried). Their attempt certainly means they should not be allowed anywhere near Charities.

    Here is the effect that Captain Tom inspired.

    https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5149357/financial-history

    Gross income to year end 2020 over £150 million. Year end 2022-just under £7 million

    I've seen a lot worse carried out in the name of Charity. Wish I hadn't. A good place to start would be all those charity lottery tickets that raise next to nothing for the Charities

    I must have misunderstod then, because the below seemed clear.

    The prologue of his autobiography reads: 'Astonishingly at my age, with the offer to write this memoir I have also been given the chance to raise even more money for the charitable foundation now established in my name.'

    Ms Ingram-Moore, 53, claimed her father's wish had been for his family to have the money, despite the British Army officer suggesting in his autobiography that the book would enable him to raise money for his foundation.
    In news that really shouldn't surprise anybody, everybody is a mixture of good and bad. Not the Saints and Devils that the Press would have us believe.

    Those words were said by Captain Tom. Or probably, more accurately, whoever was ghost-writing it for him. The inspiration via the memoirs would have caused more people to donate to the Foundation. But, in any event, that is not the fault of the Daughter. She did not say it. You need to blame Captain Tom. Not her.

    When you are advising someone about books like these, the legal advice would deal with these sorts of points in detail. Why? Rule Number 1 of legal advice is don't get sued (unless you count "how am I going to get paid"). But it is not only that. The Publishing House know fine well it is a lot easier to sell books if the Charitable donations are clear. And there was a totally different vehicle created to receive the money. The only reason you set up a Private Limited Company is to reduce Tax. Which is not applicable if this money was ever going to a Charity.

    There was a separate limited company set up to take the profits from the autobiographies. In a totally different way from the Charity and the Charitable donations. This was all done quite deliberately. And why, exactly, can a man and his family not profit from writing about a charitable act?

    The NHS Charities would have known fine well they were not going to benefit directly from the books. But look at the way the NHS charity's income has plummeted. That is primarily due to the bad publicity.

    The Daughter, and it would appear even more her Husband, did some despicable things. About which I believe there is a separate ongoing enquiry. It is just that the money from the Books is not 1 of them.
    If the intention was for the sale proceeds to go to the family, then shouldnt they have altered the prologue.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,532
    Essexphil said:

    Enut said:

    @Essexphil, so attempting to defraud a charity is not an offence, unless you actually succeed? It's a good thing the same doesn't apply to murder, rape, robbery etc etc

    Where exactly is the Fraud on the Charity? There is none.

    Do you think the Charity should be suing because £800,000 was deliberately (and legally) diverted to his family? Or profoundly grateful for the £40 million he did raise?
    So what was the purpose of the charity? Was it explicitly within its remit to benefit the family? Surely that is not allowed within its charitable status? If not then 'diverting' £800,000 to the family seems highly suspect, perhaps even fraudulent. If it's payment for services then surely this has to be justifiable.



  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,054
    Essexphil said:

    Enut said:

    @Essexphil, so attempting to defraud a charity is not an offence, unless you actually succeed? It's a good thing the same doesn't apply to murder, rape, robbery etc etc

    Where exactly is the Fraud on the Charity? There is none.

    Do you think the Charity should be suing because £800,000 was deliberately (and legally) diverted to his family? Or profoundly grateful for the £40 million he did raise?
    Its a racket.

    Captain Tom: The unanswered questions over charity money, from book donations to branded bottles of gin


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/captain-tom-the-unanswered-questions-over-charity-money-from-book-donations-to-branded-bottles-of-gin/ar-BB1pN6SA?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=219d92a834ec46fe9ddeb7aab17949a7&ei=70#fullscreen
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