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P & O Ferries, stormy waters ahead

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    P&O's Dubai owner loses crucial role in Brexit freeports initiative


    https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/p-os-dubai-owner-loses-200837382.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    Nice to see some parts of the Conservative Government have grown a spine.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    Nice to see some parts of the Conservative Government have grown a spine.

    P&O Ferries suspends all services and tells customers to find another travel firm



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/p-o-ferries-suspends-all-services-and-tells-customers-to-find-another-travel-firm/ar-AAW0gy5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e1d893b961794dcfa11e06b50e96892a
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,687
    LMAO Pride of Britain fails inspection and remains in port. CMA don't know when they will be asked to re inspect.

    Karma with a capital K
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887

    LMAO Pride of Britain fails inspection and remains in port. CMA don't know when they will be asked to re inspect.

    Karma with a capital K

    What happened to the Grant Shapps threat of legislation to outlaw what they did?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    HAYSIE said:

    LMAO Pride of Britain fails inspection and remains in port. CMA don't know when they will be asked to re inspect.

    Karma with a capital K

    What happened to the Grant Shapps threat of legislation to outlaw what they did?
    That is going to take time.
    It is also going to require co-operation from the EU.

    In all probability, this will be resolved by distinctly tacit agreements.

    Not saying it should be that way. Just that, in the short term at least, it will.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    LMAO Pride of Britain fails inspection and remains in port. CMA don't know when they will be asked to re inspect.

    Karma with a capital K

    What happened to the Grant Shapps threat of legislation to outlaw what they did?
    That is going to take time.
    It is also going to require co-operation from the EU.

    In all probability, this will be resolved by distinctly tacit agreements.

    Not saying it should be that way. Just that, in the short term at least, it will.
    He was threatening to whizz legislation through Parliament to force them to back track, a fortnight ago.
    I cant find the interview, but did find this.
    There doesnt seem to be any rethinking going on.

    Grant Shapps unveils plan to make P&O Ferries ‘fundamentally rethink’ sackings



    P&O Ferries will be forced to “fundamentally rethink their decision” to sack nearly 800 workers, according to Transport Secretary Grant Shapps.

    The Cabinet minister made the claim as he set out a series of measures in response to the redundancies.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/grant-shapps-unveils-plan-p-134814204.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    LMAO Pride of Britain fails inspection and remains in port. CMA don't know when they will be asked to re inspect.

    Karma with a capital K

    What happened to the Grant Shapps threat of legislation to outlaw what they did?
    That is going to take time.
    It is also going to require co-operation from the EU.

    In all probability, this will be resolved by distinctly tacit agreements.

    Not saying it should be that way. Just that, in the short term at least, it will.
    He was threatening to whizz legislation through Parliament to force them to back track, a fortnight ago.
    I cant find the interview, but did find this.
    There doesnt seem to be any rethinking going on.

    Grant Shapps unveils plan to make P&O Ferries ‘fundamentally rethink’ sackings



    P&O Ferries will be forced to “fundamentally rethink their decision” to sack nearly 800 workers, according to Transport Secretary Grant Shapps.

    The Cabinet minister made the claim as he set out a series of measures in response to the redundancies.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/grant-shapps-unveils-plan-p-134814204.html
    This may be it, 2 weeks ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPsZzc9F0M
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    May have been that. Certainly true that Schapps made various, rather specific, threats.

    But it would not be likely to be as easy as he first thought.

    Is it possible to enact legislation effectively to stop getting staff in on Cypriot Agency contracts? Very likely. But it's not quite that simple.

    1. These employees were nearly all travelling between either England or Scotland, to Northern Ireland/Ireland/France/Holland. Not so easy trying to prevent the Employer shifting contracts to 1 of those countries. So you need those countries to co-operate-otherwise Employer bounces contracts from (say) France to Cyprus. That takes time

    2. There is an element of shutting the door after the horse has bolted. Lots of these 800 would now like the cheque, please. The big one DP are offering. Not the (I fear) smaller 1 the Tribunals would give

    So-there is going to be a deal done here.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Essexphil said:

    May have been that. Certainly true that Schapps made various, rather specific, threats.

    But it would not be likely to be as easy as he first thought.

    Is it possible to enact legislation effectively to stop getting staff in on Cypriot Agency contracts? Very likely. But it's not quite that simple.

    1. These employees were nearly all travelling between either England or Scotland, to Northern Ireland/Ireland/France/Holland. Not so easy trying to prevent the Employer shifting contracts to 1 of those countries. So you need those countries to co-operate-otherwise Employer bounces contracts from (say) France to Cyprus. That takes time

    2. There is an element of shutting the door after the horse has bolted. Lots of these 800 would now like the cheque, please. The big one DP are offering. Not the (I fear) smaller 1 the Tribunals would give

    So-there is going to be a deal done here.

    Also I expect many will have found alternative jobs.
    When they sacked the staff, there was massive outrage, and lots of threats from Grant Shapps, and the union.
    It all seems to have quickly died a death.
    Although they seemed to have taken 30 of the sacked staff back on, to train the new ones.
    They probably get the penny and the bun.
    The long and short of it seems to be that despite what everyone said P&O have got away with it.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    edited April 2022
    Essexphil said:

    May have been that. Certainly true that Schapps made various, rather specific, threats.

    But it would not be likely to be as easy as he first thought.

    Is it possible to enact legislation effectively to stop getting staff in on Cypriot Agency contracts? Very likely. But it's not quite that simple.

    1. These employees were nearly all travelling between either England or Scotland, to Northern Ireland/Ireland/France/Holland. Not so easy trying to prevent the Employer shifting contracts to 1 of those countries. So you need those countries to co-operate-otherwise Employer bounces contracts from (say) France to Cyprus. That takes time

    2. There is an element of shutting the door after the horse has bolted. Lots of these 800 would now like the cheque, please. The big one DP are offering. Not the (I fear) smaller 1 the Tribunals would give

    So-there is going to be a deal done here.

    The (not so) Good Friday getaway! He ll at Heathrow as passengers stuck on jet for two hours threaten to 'mutiny', queue chaos hits airports, 530 engineering works cripple the rails and roads are clogged with 21.5M trips over Easter




    Fed-up travellers are already reporting problems from Britain's critically understaffed travel hubs tonight, with some waiting more than two hours for their baggage at Manchester Airport, while another at Gatwick reported sitting at the departure gate for several hours with 'no updates'. Others had their return flights cancelled mid-air while families reported being stranded in Spain and France due to last-minute cancellations of their return trips. It comes as motorists have also been warned they face a weekend of misery, with clogged up motorways, busy A-roads and a hefty fuel bill on what could be one of the busiest bank holiday travel days on record. Rail passengers, too, are being warned of Easter delays as Network Rail carries out 530 engineering projects costing a total of £83million, while huge queues were seen at St Pancras for the Eurostar Thursday.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10720585/Passengers-threaten-mutiny-trapped-planes-Heathrow-Easter-travel-chaos-begins.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
    Easter travel latest LIVE: P&O Ferries cancel all Dover-Calais sailings over holiday weekend as oil spill causes M25 chaos


    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/easter-travel-latest-live-holidaymakers-062425925.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,887
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