Doesnt change my experience. You guys make me say the same thing over and over and then you post something (which the minions actually then agree with) which is totally irrelevant.
Last time i will say this, as its been months now. Decks are written to maintain customer numbers, therefore if someone is playing badly calling off big pots with very little on obviously beat boards, it will produce a ridiculous amount of runners and set up hands for you to lose.
So in your games, it appears you were of a similar standard, there was not alot of poor calling going on, therefore there is no recognition for the need to help out.
I can see now that if i am playing someone making a huge amount of poor calls and getting away with it, the flopped nut straight is something that comes up alot, that never wins any part of the pot. Personally, i have not seen it hold for me ever.
Say the same things over and over, yet the same people make the inane comments that cant grasp the reasons behind it. That not aimed at you TooTrue, as you have just come in the middle of a conversation, but these guys have read the lot for months!
Perhaps they have written this particular quirk just for you. Well done on spotting it, means you can comfortably fold the flop whenever you’ve got the nuts in future. Hopefully no-one spots you going against this.
Its a tough one, i tend to not bet it and keep the pot as small as possible. It will be certainly a consideration to fold to any bet in the future. I dont really understand the thick boys saying why have you been in the hand if you know... obviously i have had to log it when i noticed it, to know for sure and this takes time and experiencing it.
When posting here im now at the stage to adjust my play because of it.
Ive noticed particulary 2 clubs are on the flop when a nut straight flops a helluver lot... i just smile because i know.... i know.... that means my opponent has a club flush draw... and also the turn is a club... i dont know how many times i have seen this!!!
I also know when i play live that when this scenario flops on an unraised preflop board, my opponent could hold absolutely anything... here its like 'ah he has 2 clubs in hand'......
Doesnt change my experience. You guys make me say the same thing over and over and then you post something (which the minions actually then agree with) which is totally irrelevant.
Last time i will say this, as its been months now. Decks are written to maintain customer numbers, therefore if someone is playing badly calling off big pots with very little on obviously beat boards, it will produce a ridiculous amount of runners and set up hands for you to lose.
So in your games, it appears you were of a similar standard, there was not alot of poor calling going on, therefore there is no recognition for the need to help out.
I can see now that if i am playing someone making a huge amount of poor calls and getting away with it, the flopped nut straight is something that comes up alot, that never wins any part of the pot. Personally, i have not seen it hold for me ever.
Say the same things over and over, yet the same people make the inane comments that cant grasp the reasons behind it. That not aimed at you TooTrue, as you have just come in the middle of a conversation, but these guys have read the lot for months!
Do you ever consider that there may be a reason why people say the same things to your posts? Maybe it’s you that doesn’t grasp things
Hi TheWaddy. In your opening post you made no reference to the requirement in the difference in ability between the two players or the quality of play at the time. If you could provide some clarification of the extent in difference in ability required or extent of losing sequence needed that would be helpful as I can then review my sessions to see what my experience is in that scenario.
In addition, in the example which you posted the sharkscope rating of both players is relatively close and actually shows you having the lower rating of the two.
TooTrue I am just telling you my experience, i have no idea what difference is required, i did not write the software!!!
Helissio is a winning player, no doubt, but when he plays me i cant believe the mistakes he makes. This is probably cos he tilts given the opponent, ie me.
If i have always lost in this scenario, the maths tells me there is something not right. I just pointed this out, i have no idea how it works, i can only guess!
I mean u just posted 5 examples that i can only dream of, so obviously somethings not quite right? All i know is players are sucking out 6/7 times all in to squeeze out half pots via runners.... then the flopped straight comes and i get no part of the pot.
By saying your not losing at all, only compounds its odd to say the least and completely against all maths, as with my trying it with a real deck.
Doesnt change my experience. You guys make me say the same thing over and over and then you post something (which the minions actually then agree with) which is totally irrelevant.
Last time i will say this, as its been months now. Decks are written to maintain customer numbers, therefore if someone is playing badly calling off big pots with very little on obviously beat boards, it will produce a ridiculous amount of runners and set up hands for you to lose.
So in your games, it appears you were of a similar standard, there was not alot of poor calling going on, therefore there is no recognition for the need to help out.
I can see now that if i am playing someone making a huge amount of poor calls and getting away with it, the flopped nut straight is something that comes up alot, that never wins any part of the pot. Personally, i have not seen it hold for me ever.
Say the same things over and over, yet the same people make the inane comments that cant grasp the reasons behind it. That not aimed at you TooTrue, as you have just come in the middle of a conversation, but these guys have read the lot for months!
Do you ever consider that there may be a reason why people say the same things to your posts? Maybe it’s you that doesn’t grasp things
There are a huge amount of players who dont believe what they are seeing, purely because maths tells them not to do so. They can get very frustrated losing so often, to sillyness.
Can i ask someone who believes, why they get so aggressive and protective over something that is not frustrating them?
I dont get it! Is it just anger problems generally in life?
Hi The Waddy. I had a look back through all my hands on my plo8 hu session this afternoon. There were five instances where either I flopped the nut straight or my opponent flopped the nut straight but the hand went to showdown. Below is the outcome of each hand:
Hand No: 1712558124 - I flopped the nut straight - split pot Hand No: 1712557761 - We both flopped the nut straight - split pot - both had the same straight Hand No: 1712557086 - I flopped the nut straight and won pot on the river when opponent folded Hand No: 1712528401 - opponent flopped nut straight - split pot Hand No: 1712522468 - I flopped the nut straight - split pot
As I said above, would be happy to show the hands if someone could let me know how to post the hand histories. My experience today appears to be very different to your experience.
(I think you probably know points 1- 7), but for those that don't....
Firstly it's usually best to have two SKYPoker tabs open .......One on the Forum thread where you want to post the Hand History(HH), and one for the HH you want to copy,
1. click on the 'My Sky Poker' tab ....a small drop down menu appears........ 2. click on 'Hand History' and screen changes 3. change the 'hands from' tab to when approx. the hand was 4. change Format to 'Tournaments' and Type (of Tourneys) appears 5. should be on 'Sit-n-Go' ,but change to 'Scheduled' if the hand is from a MTT 6. If you have the Hand ID, enter it in the Box and Click on Search for Hands button 7. Click on 'details' (in blue) at the Right Hand End and the hand appears.....scroll down to make sure it's the right one 8. Press the COPY button 9. go to the place/page where you want to post it ( @TheWaddy Thread usually ) 10. On your keyboard, press Control (Ctrl) and V key at the same time, (this 'Pastes' the HH) and LOADS of writing will appear ( @mumsie will tell us the proper word for it!..... CODE maybe?? 11. You can 'Preview' if you want to check before 12. you then 'Post Comment
Here is hand number 1712558124. I will just show this one and one other as don't want to clog up the thread with numerous hand histories. However, if TheWaddy would like me to post all five examples then I am happy to do so.
I dont need anymore and didnt doubt that you had won with these hands in the first place. As i say, it just compounds the incredible run that i have had, when you have had the same results as i did with a real deck.
Maybe, just maybe they were playing as bad as each other. Who knows, i dont have the answers.
But i did play Yorkie last night, he raised and reraised me all in with low blinds and similar stacks, with the 5th best lo and no hi at all. No sense to it whatsoever. He survived and shortly after a hand gave a river were it was the only 2 left in the deck that could give us both a FH... his better....
Didnt feel like a set up after recognising appalling play at all....
I have just withdrawn £500 from £1 games, but your all welcome to state im an idiot and dont know what im talking about.
The key to online games is when your opponent is playing particulary badly, is to be able to spot the hands were you are being set up to lose. With experience, you will be able to spot these. They are often hands you would normally raise or bet out with with a real deck, but want to keep the pot as low as possible with online decks.
When the folk want to say 'remind me again, what is the difference between a real deck and an online deck'.... that is it right there.
I have a collection of the best poker books ever written and the content will work pretty well live still to this day.... however, i would say most of the advice in these are not ever going to work in the online game for many reasons, including what the next card is highly likely to be.
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Last time i will say this, as its been months now. Decks are written to maintain customer numbers, therefore if someone is playing badly calling off big pots with very little on obviously beat boards, it will produce a ridiculous amount of runners and set up hands for you to lose.
So in your games, it appears you were of a similar standard, there was not alot of poor calling going on, therefore there is no recognition for the need to help out.
I can see now that if i am playing someone making a huge amount of poor calls and getting away with it, the flopped nut straight is something that comes up alot, that never wins any part of the pot. Personally, i have not seen it hold for me ever.
Say the same things over and over, yet the same people make the inane comments that cant grasp the reasons behind it. That not aimed at you TooTrue, as you have just come in the middle of a conversation, but these guys have read the lot for months!
When posting here im now at the stage to adjust my play because of it.
Ive noticed particulary 2 clubs are on the flop when a nut straight flops a helluver lot... i just smile because i know.... i know.... that means my opponent has a club flush draw... and also the turn is a club... i dont know how many times i have seen this!!!
I also know when i play live that when this scenario flops on an unraised preflop board, my opponent could hold absolutely anything... here its like 'ah he has 2 clubs in hand'......
Maybe it’s you that doesn’t grasp things
In addition, in the example which you posted the sharkscope rating of both players is relatively close and actually shows you having the lower rating of the two.
Helissio is a winning player, no doubt, but when he plays me i cant believe the mistakes he makes. This is probably cos he tilts given the opponent, ie me.
If i have always lost in this scenario, the maths tells me there is something not right. I just pointed this out, i have no idea how it works, i can only guess!
I mean u just posted 5 examples that i can only dream of, so obviously somethings not quite right? All i know is players are sucking out 6/7 times all in to squeeze out half pots via runners.... then the flopped straight comes and i get no part of the pot.
By saying your not losing at all, only compounds its odd to say the least and completely against all maths, as with my trying it with a real deck. I think you should have noticed by now, that no-one is interested in the childish comments.
Can i ask someone who believes, why they get so aggressive and protective over something that is not frustrating them?
I dont get it! Is it just anger problems generally in life?
(I think you probably know points 1- 7), but for those that don't....
Firstly it's usually best to have two SKYPoker tabs open .......One on the Forum thread where you want to post the Hand History(HH), and one for the HH you want to copy,
1. click on the 'My Sky Poker' tab ....a small drop down menu appears........
2. click on 'Hand History' and screen changes
3. change the 'hands from' tab to when approx. the hand was
4. change Format to 'Tournaments' and Type (of Tourneys) appears
5. should be on 'Sit-n-Go' ,but change to 'Scheduled' if the hand is from a MTT
6. If you have the Hand ID, enter it in the Box and Click on Search for Hands button
7. Click on 'details' (in blue) at the Right Hand End and the hand appears.....scroll down to make sure it's the right one
8. Press the COPY button
9. go to the place/page where you want to post it ( @TheWaddy Thread usually
10. On your keyboard, press Control (Ctrl) and V key at the same time, (this 'Pastes' the HH) and LOADS of writing will appear ( @mumsie will tell us the proper word for it!..... CODE maybe??
11. You can 'Preview' if you want to check before
12. you then 'Post Comment
Hope this helps
Here is hand number 1712558124. I will just show this one and one other as don't want to clog up the thread with numerous hand histories. However, if TheWaddy would like me to post all five examples then I am happy to do so.
So any flopped straights for me would not be getting anything here!
But i did play Yorkie last night, he raised and reraised me all in with low blinds and similar stacks, with the 5th best lo and no hi at all. No sense to it whatsoever. He survived and shortly after a hand gave a river were it was the only 2 left in the deck that could give us both a FH... his better....
Didnt feel like a set up after recognising appalling play at all....
The key to online games is when your opponent is playing particulary badly, is to be able to spot the hands were you are being set up to lose. With experience, you will be able to spot these. They are often hands you would normally raise or bet out with with a real deck, but want to keep the pot as low as possible with online decks.
When the folk want to say 'remind me again, what is the difference between a real deck and an online deck'.... that is it right there.
I have a collection of the best poker books ever written and the content will work pretty well live still to this day.... however, i would say most of the advice in these are not ever going to work in the online game for many reasons, including what the next card is highly likely to be.