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Does the Sit and go over 30 pounds ever get played?
Williams12
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It feels like probbaly sharks are waiting there
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The issue is that the casuals often dont have the sort of money to be wagering £30 on a single game.
That been said with how the Tories have messed up this country and the runaway inflation that has ensued as a result I would not worry to much these games will likely be running plenty in a few years time.
Clearly, you used to be able to even 'tune in' to Phil Ivey playing heads up on FullTilt and the like for $5000.... everyone who was anyone does not play online anymore.
Even i played for $50 a game. I now play £1/£2. Players have just got savvy to the playstation like outcomes.
Im afraid players who back online poker in its current form are killing the game.
They of course, will deny it.... but as this thread has pointed out, these games no-one is interested in playing any more. Poker sites all moved to adding casino's and slots to their sites and turned their attentions to the casual gambler, instead of catering for the poker player.
I was very impressed with Victoria Coren when she quit being associated with Pokerstars, as she could see what was happening when it added these games.
She did not want to sell her soul, as she is a poker player through and through.
I shake my head at the guys on here backing it, they should be ashamed of themselves.
this isn't a mass exodus of people playing any reasonable stakes because they "suspect/know something is off"
its that sky poker is a small site which offers games to a single country. so does not have the player base to support this. If Sky poker had 15000 players online right now (pokerstars numbers) then £55 dons may well be running.
I think dons is a dying format though, so prolly not. sit and go traffic mostly got absorbed by spin and goes. The games I have been targeting. This is the reason that non spin and go formats do not run that much these days. @EmperorSex
we can speculate on the reasons but I would suggest the following reasons
1. casual players like the idea they could win a big jackpot in a matter of minutes in truth the odds may be the same as winning a big mtt for those guys but then the latter would require much more time and mtts still run.
2.lots of people prefer the quick games, I am seeing this myself, it takes me 3-7 minutes usually 5 on average to run through a cycle of spin and go ultras/flash, This means if I am waiting on my girlfriend to get ready I can fire up a quick round.
3. the turbo structure and relative low edge in these games and mislead people who do not have an edge to believe they do. Eg I had someone throw a fish throwable at me because I sucked out on his AQ with J4 when I called of at 3.8 blinds. To those that do not know at this stack depth its push or fold and just follow nash charts where J4 is 4.7 blinds to call of, eg this was a mandatory call. But this guy thought I was the fish and he was the shark. He went on playing many more games because of how many bad fish like me there were in the games. He was not completely wrong there are many weak players in the game where he was wrong though is he did not realize I was playing correct and he was one of the fish.
There is also blackfriday which took the Americans out of the player pool the big increase in standard in the following years and tougher financial times globally, paired with the fact that poker was the fashionable fad after the money maker effect but slowly started to go out of fashion or be less in fashion like all fads do.
Poker may or may not have another boom in the future who knows. but these are the reasons that sngs dont run so much anymore, not because everyone has realized the apparent "truth" to which you purport.
Spin and go's, chasing big jackpots, turbo structures, preferring quick games, pump or dump games..... all of your preference and all that you say 'most' want to play..... and you are right on that score!
Can you imagine Phil Ivey targeting those games!? That is why Vicky Coren wanted out promoting this form, for want of a better word, 'poker'....
You may have large money games on Pokerstars, that is purely for out and out gamblers, as you say they are over in minutes... does that sound like competent poker players, or thrill seekers and out of control gamblers? Again, would any top player target a poker game that lasted minutes because of the insane blind structure?
The good players who have put their name to online poker and continue to back it even now (though these themselves are a dying breed), are the ones who have killed online poker. We are left with casino over spill players who indeed want quick all in fests, that little resemble poker in any shape or form.
When you have 'all in' 'russian roulette' 'one hand' heads up sit and go's, this tells you what type of player sites want and what level of knowledge they want you to have about poker odds.
If you are into these games, then clearly you are not going to see the point, or why these games are even available. You would just have to look at why a brilliant poker player would disassociate herself from a site when they brought these games in, why most poker pro's dont play online anymore and why just a few competent players remain saying everything is fine. Theres just a few bad eggs left, pushing the final nails in the coffin.
If you have been around online poker since its inception, it would impossible to see what has happened and why it has happened.
I believe I can make more money for my efforts in spin and goes then I could in MTTS or cash games. mainly because I find it a grind to sit there for 8 hours+ a day on mtts and my entire day can be decided by just a few hands. Both these mtts and cash games have this. Now spin and goes have a lot of variance but unless I hit a big jackpot its unlikely that just a few hands could make the difference. I don't think there is the golden easier then other formats to make money because a lot of top poker players are highly astute and attention to detail and as soon as one form is easier then another players will flood in and it will equal out quickly.
Another thread taken over.
Because you have spread the word that although you dont like PG Tips, it is 100% the real deal.....
technically a spin and go is a sit and go but people usually define it as seperate.
A spin and go is a 3 handed mini tournament where it is usually winner takes all unless big jackpot. A random draw is done to determine how much your playing for 2x buyin 3xbuyin 5xbuyin etc.
the rake is taken off and then allocated prize odds across for the buyin left. casuals like them because in theory if your very lucky you could win a huge jackpot. pros like them because they draw lots of casuals. Since spin and goes are a turbo format (usually 500 starting chips 2 minute blind levels or 300 starting chips with 1 minute blind levels) the egde is very small however it exists and since they last on average 12 or 5 minutes depending on which ones you do, you can play a huge amount in short time.
It's super hard to diagnose. Any time they are questioned about it they will obfuscate their replies at best, and just straight up lie at worst. They have no idea they're doing that, though. It's a subconscious self defense mechanism. They project a lot too, which works in exactly the same way.
As @kapowblamz rightly says, it is super hard to diagnose.
There may well be some superficial arguments to support such a diagnosis. But it is an absolutely massive jump to assume that the way somebody reacts on a poker website is any sort of indicator as to how he does or does not behave in the rest of his daily life, of which poker is a teeny tiny part.
I appreciate you do not mean it as a dig. But to accuse someone of having NPD purely on the basis of some fairly disagreeable comments on a poker site is (IMHO) not fair.