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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
    Early election ‘worst kept secret in Parliament’, says Labour


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/early-election-worst-kept-secret-212500488.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
    Tories only winning among certain age group, polls show


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tories-only-winning-among-certain-080837940.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,675
    There is an old saying that has been going around for about 200 years, attributed to lots of people. It goes something like this:-

    If you vote Conservative when you are younger, you have no heart.
    But if you vote Labour when you are older, you have no head.

    Becoming (like so many traditions) a lot less relevant.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,675
    The Conservative Party is imploding in a manner normally only seen in the Labour Party.

    Lots of different factions. The ERG. The New Conservatives. The Northern Research Group. The Common Sense Group. The Conservative Growth Group. The One Nation Caucus. The Conservative Democratic Organisation. And a whole host of others. All fighting to control the "future" of the Party. And the masses of sitting Tory MPs who will not even stand and fight at the next election.

    Meanwhile, this Govt pursues long-term projects, like Rwanda. As though it has just been elected. As opposed to one on its last legs, with a PM who replaced the PM who replaced the 1 that was voted for. Concentrating almost exclusively on longer-term legacy projects. Rather than the Short-Term. And securing its future.

    The latest opinion polls, less than a year before an Election, are:-

    Labour 46%
    Conservatives 22%
    Lib Dems 11%
    Reform 10%

    If those are the figures in an actual election, or even close to that, the Conservatives are looking at their worst-ever Election result. In its 190 year history.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
    Essexphil said:

    The Conservative Party is imploding in a manner normally only seen in the Labour Party.

    Lots of different factions. The ERG. The New Conservatives. The Northern Research Group. The Common Sense Group. The Conservative Growth Group. The One Nation Caucus. The Conservative Democratic Organisation. And a whole host of others. All fighting to control the "future" of the Party. And the masses of sitting Tory MPs who will not even stand and fight at the next election.

    Meanwhile, this Govt pursues long-term projects, like Rwanda. As though it has just been elected. As opposed to one on its last legs, with a PM who replaced the PM who replaced the 1 that was voted for. Concentrating almost exclusively on longer-term legacy projects. Rather than the Short-Term. And securing its future.

    The latest opinion polls, less than a year before an Election, are:-

    Labour 46%
    Conservatives 22%
    Lib Dems 11%
    Reform 10%

    If those are the figures in an actual election, or even close to that, the Conservatives are looking at their worst-ever Election result. In its 190 year history.

    Nobody could argue with that.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 168,887

    As of this morning, Wm Hill offer these prices for "Most Seats in General Election"...


    Labour 1/14


    Conservative 13/2


    Reform 66/1


    LibDem 150/1


    Green 500/1
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,675
    The scale of the decline within the Conservative Party is staggering.

    Rishi Sunak was supposed to be the compromise candidate to lead the Party. Acceptable to the Moderates, and the various Right Wing factions.

    Trouble stems from the fact that he is weak, and facing a massive defeat at the next Election. Whereupon the battle will start between the various factions, Probably the Right Wing groups supporting Braverman, the ones supporting Badenoch, and some form of Candidate from the Moderate Wing-although a lot of those are not standing at the next election, and others likely to lose their seats.

    I'm not a natural Tory. But there are many decent people within their ranks. As recently as 2 years ago, the Reform Party was looking to enter some sort of pact with the Tories. Now? They are fancying their chances of replacing them.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
    Essexphil said:

    The scale of the decline within the Conservative Party is staggering.

    Rishi Sunak was supposed to be the compromise candidate to lead the Party. Acceptable to the Moderates, and the various Right Wing factions.

    Trouble stems from the fact that he is weak, and facing a massive defeat at the next Election. Whereupon the battle will start between the various factions, Probably the Right Wing groups supporting Braverman, the ones supporting Badenoch, and some form of Candidate from the Moderate Wing-although a lot of those are not standing at the next election, and others likely to lose their seats.

    I'm not a natural Tory. But there are many decent people within their ranks. As recently as 2 years ago, the Reform Party was looking to enter some sort of pact with the Tories. Now? They are fancying their chances of replacing them.

    Do you think that he appears weak because of what he has inherited, or that he is weak?
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,675
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The scale of the decline within the Conservative Party is staggering.

    Rishi Sunak was supposed to be the compromise candidate to lead the Party. Acceptable to the Moderates, and the various Right Wing factions.

    Trouble stems from the fact that he is weak, and facing a massive defeat at the next Election. Whereupon the battle will start between the various factions, Probably the Right Wing groups supporting Braverman, the ones supporting Badenoch, and some form of Candidate from the Moderate Wing-although a lot of those are not standing at the next election, and others likely to lose their seats.

    I'm not a natural Tory. But there are many decent people within their ranks. As recently as 2 years ago, the Reform Party was looking to enter some sort of pact with the Tories. Now? They are fancying their chances of replacing them.

    Do you think that he appears weak because of what he has inherited, or that he is weak?
    Both. Although more the former than the latter.

    His early election strategies appear to be to take from the poor, to give to the rich.
    Which seems spectacularly dim.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,575
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The scale of the decline within the Conservative Party is staggering.

    Rishi Sunak was supposed to be the compromise candidate to lead the Party. Acceptable to the Moderates, and the various Right Wing factions.

    Trouble stems from the fact that he is weak, and facing a massive defeat at the next Election. Whereupon the battle will start between the various factions, Probably the Right Wing groups supporting Braverman, the ones supporting Badenoch, and some form of Candidate from the Moderate Wing-although a lot of those are not standing at the next election, and others likely to lose their seats.

    I'm not a natural Tory. But there are many decent people within their ranks. As recently as 2 years ago, the Reform Party was looking to enter some sort of pact with the Tories. Now? They are fancying their chances of replacing them.

    Do you think that he appears weak because of what he has inherited, or that he is weak?
    Both. Although more the former than the latter.

    His early election strategies appear to be to take from the poor, to give to the rich.
    Which seems spectacularly dim.
    The Tories are likely to be remembered for their dimness over the last 14 years.
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