Good Call-Yes or No?

HAYSIE

I have been having a discussion with @MISTY4ME.
He is having none of it.
I cant post the hand because it wasnt mine.

Early stages-blinds 20/40.
UTG raise to 120 (3630 behind)
UTG+1 shoves his 1940.
Next player calls the 1940 with AJo, leaving him with 395 behind.

So good call-yes or no?

HENDRIK62

terrible call IMO

HAYSIE

HENDRIK62 said:

terrible call IMO

I said that, but hes having none of it.

Doubleme

wait so misty called of a 48.5 bb shove with AJ? if i understand the story right? well yeah usually a bad call but there are situations where it isnt that I can think of and dont know what was going on at the table etc.

Enut

Snap fold.

HAYSIE

Doubleme said:

wait so misty called of a 48.5 bb shove with AJ? if i understand the story right? well yeah usually a bad call but there are situations where it isnt that I can think of and dont know what was going on at the table etc.

I would have been really worried if you had just agreed.

MynaFrett

At face value the AJo obviously looks bad here for an effective 50bb 4bet all-in from the CO vs LJ ("UTG") open and HJ ("UTG+1") shove. You are supposed to gamble early stages in bounty hunters though. If the 3 bet shover has already taken a bounty or two AND they have also been seen punting 50bb or similar stacks in these spots wide (some random ace highs/broadways/small-middling pairs) then you could make a case for shipping the AJo. It would be better if the LJ opener is also active/too wide. Without those reads it's way too wide though and there are still three ranges behind.
The player 3 bet shoving shouldn't have a single hand that wants to 3 bet shove at 50bb here (entire range should be fold, call, or 3x 3 bet). If they haven't been identified as a random punter I feel like you see AK quite often here because people love just 3 bet shipping AKo for lots of bigs because it's the easiest way to play it, you get to see five if called, will nearly always have outs if behind and you don't risk 'missing' or getting outplayed post flop.

MISTY4ME

This is the hand @HAYSIE is talking about..... I think I've managed to delete the Player's name.
This is in a micro Sat. where 1 in 5 qualify for the SPT Quarter.

I do have Notes on the Player, in particular about him SHOVING light, especially Early on in Sat's ....... and I will always call his AIPF SHOVES with A-J in a Sat.

Despite having DUp off me, the Player was the next one KO'd following me, which pretty much ' says it all '

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Pete1888	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1565.00
Easylife09	Big blind		40.00	60.00	350.00
	Your hole cards	J A
Woz08	Raise		120.00	180.00	3630.00
?	All-in		1940.00	2120.00	0.00
MISTY4ME	Call		1940.00	4060.00	395.00
Pete1888	Fold
Easylife09	Fold
Woz08	Fold
?	Show	K J
MISTY4ME	Show	J A
Flop
		8 Q 9
Turn
		8
River
		10
?	Win	Straight to the King	4060.00		4060.00

HAYSIE

HENDRIK62 said:

terrible call IMO

Would you change your mind after seeing the whole hand?

HAYSIE

Enut said:

Snap fold.

Would you change your mind after seeing the whole hand?

Bean81

It was good this time, but I can't see how this is a winning call in these positions in a satty.

If this was an open shove and everybody folds to you in the bb, the call might be OK with your read. You would likely need 55% equity, once you factor in the risk premium. Given UTG opened though and you have three players behind who all have a few percent chance of holding a premium, this must be a fold.

With that said, if you're an absolute beast with a deep stack in sattys, you should consider taking risks early.

madprof

MISTY4ME said:

This is the hand @HAYSIE is talking about..... I think I've managed to delete the Player's name.
This is in a micro Sat. where 1 in 5 qualify for the SPT Quarter.

I do have Notes on the Player, in particular about him SHOVING light, especially Early on in Sat's ....... and I will always call his AIPF SHOVES with A-J in a Sat.

Despite having DUp off me, the Player was the next one KO'd following me, which pretty much ' says it all '

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Pete1888	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1565.00
Easylife09	Big blind		40.00	60.00	350.00
	Your hole cards	J A
Woz08	Raise		120.00	180.00	3630.00
?	All-in		1940.00	2120.00	0.00
MISTY4ME	Call		1940.00	4060.00	395.00
Pete1888	Fold
Easylife09	Fold
Woz08	Fold
?	Show	K J
MISTY4ME	Show	J A
Flop
		8 Q 9
Turn
		8
River
		10
?	Win	Straight to the King	4060.00		4060.00

@MISTY4ME It was a great call....until the river...then it was a crapcall! 😉

madprof

Thoughts? Should I have called this?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dragonson	Small blind		300.00	300.00	13500.00
pollys2	Big blind		600.00	900.00	13197.50
	Your hole cards	A A
fez1971	Fold
NiasLA2	All-in		2125.00	3025.00	0.00
diger	Fold
madprof	All-in		2355.00	5380.00	0.00
Dragonson	Fold
pollys2	Fold
madprof	Unmatched bet		230.00	5150.00	230.00
NiasLA2	Show	K Q
madprof	Show	A A
Flop
		10 4 10
Turn
		7
River
		3
NiasLA2	Win	Flush to the Queen	5150.00		5150.00

Enut

HAYSIE said:

Enut said:

Snap fold.

Would you change your mind after seeing the whole hand?

Context is everything @MISTY4ME had good reasons as explained later, the rest of us didn't have that info when asked to comment. The runout makes no difference to the decision as we all know.

Enut

madprof said:

Thoughts? Should I have called this?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dragonson	Small blind		300.00	300.00	13500.00
pollys2	Big blind		600.00	900.00	13197.50
	Your hole cards	A A
fez1971	Fold
NiasLA2	All-in		2125.00	3025.00	0.00
diger	Fold
madprof	All-in		2355.00	5380.00	0.00
Dragonson	Fold
pollys2	Fold
madprof	Unmatched bet		230.00	5150.00	230.00
NiasLA2	Show	K Q
madprof	Show	A A
Flop
		10 4 10
Turn
		7
River
		3
NiasLA2	Win	Flush to the Queen	5150.00		5150.00

All day long and twice on Sundays, as above let's try not to be results orientated. Troll?

MISTY4ME

^^^^^^^^

with just x4 BB's ..... ALL DAY LONG

....even with A-J

HAYSIE

Enut said:

Snap fold.

Would you change your mind after seeing the whole hand?

Enut said:

HAYSIE said:

Enut said:

Snap fold.

Would you change your mind after seeing the whole hand?

Context is everything @MISTY4ME had good reasons as explained later, the rest of us didn't have that info when asked to comment. The runout makes no difference to the decision as we all know.

So do you think the reasons justify the call?

Tikay10

In the original hand, ignoring the Call, which as has been noted requires some context, I'm more intrigued why anyone would jam almost 50 Bigs with any hand when there's only 200 or so in the middle. I guess the game has changed...

HAYSIE

Tikay10 said:

In the original hand, ignoring the Call, which as has been noted requires some context, I'm more intrigued why anyone would jam almost 50 Bigs with any hand when there's only 200 or so in the middle. I guess the game has changed...

Good point, but would you have called?

Tikay10

HAYSIE said:

Tikay10 said:

In the original hand, ignoring the Call, which as has been noted requires some context, I'm more intrigued why anyone would jam almost 50 Bigs with any hand when there's only 200 or so in the middle. I guess the game has changed...

Good point, but would you have called?

Well I'd need better context to make that decision, but in a vacuum (that's what the kiddywinkles always say) I'd say almost certainly not, as in I'm 99.5% certain I'd fold A-J there.

HAYSIE

Tikay10 said:

HAYSIE said:

Tikay10 said:

In the original hand, ignoring the Call, which as has been noted requires some context, I'm more intrigued why anyone would jam almost 50 Bigs with any hand when there's only 200 or so in the middle. I guess the game has changed...

Good point, but would you have called?

Well I'd need better context to make that decision, but in a vacuum (that's what the kiddywinkles always say) I'd say almost certainly not, as in I'm 99.5% certain I'd fold A-J there.

Not 100%?