Dave's choice of words is very poor, but it is of course an interesting topic. I agree that that a trans woman should not be allowed to compete in women's sport at any level. Particularly when we have seen women who were born a woman but having increased testosterone levels being banned from competing (unless they have testosterone suppression) as was the case with Caster Semenya.
Intersex condition Although Semenya was assigned female at birth,[19][20] she has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5-ARD).[10][11][19] This condition only affects genetic males with XY chromosomes. Individuals with 5-ARD have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised during the development of the reproductive system in utero, due to low levels of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT). As a result, the external genitalia may appear ambiguous or female at birth.[21][22][23]
Semenya has said that she was born with a vagina and internal undescended testes, but that she has no uterus or fallopian tubes and does not menstruate.[11][24][25] Her internal testes produce natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.[11][26] Semenya has rejected the label of "intersex", calling herself "a different kind of woman."[26]
Dave's choice of words is very poor, but it is of course an interesting topic. I agree that that a trans woman should not be allowed to compete in women's sport at any level. Particularly when we have seen women who were born a woman but having increased testosterone levels being banned from competing (unless they have testosterone suppression) as was the case with Caster Semenya.
Intersex condition Although Semenya was assigned female at birth,[19][20] she has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5-ARD).[10][11][19] This condition only affects genetic males with XY chromosomes. Individuals with 5-ARD have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised during the development of the reproductive system in utero, due to low levels of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT). As a result, the external genitalia may appear ambiguous or female at birth.[21][22][23]
Semenya has said that she was born with a vagina and internal undescended testes, but that she has no uterus or fallopian tubes and does not menstruate.[11][24][25] Her internal testes produce natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.[11][26] Semenya has rejected the label of "intersex", calling herself "a different kind of woman."[26]
The ongoing controversy surrounding Khelif, along with Taipei's Lin Yu-ting, remains the loudest talking point of the Summer Games. The pair of boxers have been in the spotlight after it was revealed that the two were banned from the 2023 World Championships due to failed gender eligibility tests administered by the International Boxing Association (IBA).
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has supported the boxers' participation in the 2024 Paris Games, hence why the two remain in the competition. Both the IOC and IBA have given their sides of the debate, however, the complete details of the situation remain murky.
With that said, here is what we know about the facts of the Khelif case and the ongoing conversation that has followed.
Dave's choice of words is very poor, but it is of course an interesting topic. I agree that that a trans woman should not be allowed to compete in women's sport at any level. Particularly when we have seen women who were born a woman but having increased testosterone levels being banned from competing (unless they have testosterone suppression) as was the case with Caster Semenya.
Intersex condition Although Semenya was assigned female at birth,[19][20] she has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5-ARD).[10][11][19] This condition only affects genetic males with XY chromosomes. Individuals with 5-ARD have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised during the development of the reproductive system in utero, due to low levels of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT). As a result, the external genitalia may appear ambiguous or female at birth.[21][22][23]
Semenya has said that she was born with a vagina and internal undescended testes, but that she has no uterus or fallopian tubes and does not menstruate.[11][24][25] Her internal testes produce natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.[11][26] Semenya has rejected the label of "intersex", calling herself "a different kind of woman."[26]
The ongoing controversy surrounding Khelif, along with Taipei's Lin Yu-ting, remains the loudest talking point of the Summer Games. The pair of boxers have been in the spotlight after it was revealed that the two were banned from the 2023 World Championships due to failed gender eligibility tests administered by the International Boxing Association (IBA).
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has supported the boxers' participation in the 2024 Paris Games, hence why the two remain in the competition. Both the IOC and IBA have given their sides of the debate, however, the complete details of the situation remain murky.
With that said, here is what we know about the facts of the Khelif case and the ongoing conversation that has followed.
Intersex people are born with sex characteristics (such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal patterns and/or chromosomal patterns) that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies. Experts estimate that up to 1.7 percent of the population are born with intersex traits.
Dave's choice of words is very poor, but it is of course an interesting topic. I agree that that a trans woman should not be allowed to compete in women's sport at any level. Particularly when we have seen women who were born a woman but having increased testosterone levels being banned from competing (unless they have testosterone suppression) as was the case with Caster Semenya.
my choice of words were poor i was tired and trying to be silly and got a grammatical mistake that made things appear in a way I never would have meant to express. I saw after posting but unfortunately skt forums either doesnt let you edit the poll options grammar or i dont know how to do that.
I think everyone knows based on my previous posts that i am not transphobic.
I do believe it is a tough one if someone truly identifies as trans it seems harsh for them to deal with where their place is in sports or which dressing rooms they are placed in. No matter what answer you have for that some people will always feel that it is wrong. Its very tough to come up with the right answer.
I do however also feel that this issue gets way more attention then it should in the media. Why do people constantly obsess over this as a major political issue when there are so many more important issues that get less attention?
Dave's choice of words is very poor, but it is of course an interesting topic. I agree that that a trans woman should not be allowed to compete in women's sport at any level. Particularly when we have seen women who were born a woman but having increased testosterone levels being banned from competing (unless they have testosterone suppression) as was the case with Caster Semenya.
my choice of words were poor i was tired and trying to be silly and got a grammatical mistake that made things appear in a way I never would have meant to express. I saw after posting but unfortunately skt forums either doesnt let you edit the poll options grammar or i dont know how to do that.
I think everyone knows based on my previous posts that i am not transphobic.
I do believe it is a tough one if someone truly identifies as trans it seems harsh for them to deal with where their place is in sports or which dressing rooms they are placed in. No matter what answer you have for that some people will always feel that it is wrong. Its very tough to come up with the right answer.
I do however also feel that this issue gets way more attention then it should in the media. Why do people constantly obsess over this as a major political issue when there are so many more important issues that get less attention?
Dave's choice of words is very poor, but it is of course an interesting topic. I agree that that a trans woman should not be allowed to compete in women's sport at any level. Particularly when we have seen women who were born a woman but having increased testosterone levels being banned from competing (unless they have testosterone suppression) as was the case with Caster Semenya.
my choice of words were poor i was tired and trying to be silly and got a grammatical mistake that made things appear in a way I never would have meant to express. I saw after posting but unfortunately skt forums either doesnt let you edit the poll options grammar or i dont know how to do that.
I think everyone knows based on my previous posts that i am not transphobic.
I do believe it is a tough one if someone truly identifies as trans it seems harsh for them to deal with where their place is in sports or which dressing rooms they are placed in. No matter what answer you have for that some people will always feel that it is wrong. Its very tough to come up with the right answer.
I do however also feel that this issue gets way more attention then it should in the media. Why do people constantly obsess over this as a major political issue when there are so many more important issues that get less attention?
I think it's pretty clear that it was more than a grammatical error. Have you considered a career in politics?
1. Many people seem to be of the opinion that the key to Sport is "fairness". I disagree. Sport, particularly at the Amateur level, is about totally different things. Enjoyment. Camaraderie. Feeling included as part of a Group. Much like the people who contribute on this forum. That's not about including minorities, it is about including everyone
2. To people who think the answer is for these people to play in their own lane. That works for many Sports, and great strides have been made. Wheelchair Rugby, Walking Football and numerous other Sports. Poont is, the people who want to play Sport from the Trans Community is small. Very small. Whole host of reasons for that, from the small number to start with, to mental health conditions, to not wanting to change in front of other people. Of either sex. 3 people want to play Rugby. They cannot play on their own
3. As said before, professional sportswomen need protection. But that should not mean that we treat Trans people as pariahs. It is a 21st Century "No Blacks. No Irish."
As we (or at least a few of us) prepare to lose this forum, we might care to think what that might mean to a few of the Contributors on here. Because there are some who probably do not naturally fit as easily elsewhere-through no fault of their own.
1. Many people seem to be of the opinion that the key to Sport is "fairness". I disagree. Sport, particularly at the Amateur level, is about totally different things. Enjoyment. Camaraderie. Feeling included as part of a Group. Much like the people who contribute on this forum. That's not about including minorities, it is about including everyone
2. To people who think the answer is for these people to play in their own lane. That works for many Sports, and great strides have been made. Wheelchair Rugby, Walking Football and numerous other Sports. Poont is, the people who want to play Sport from the Trans Community is small. Very small. Whole host of reasons for that, from the small number to start with, to mental health conditions, to not wanting to change in front of other people. Of either sex. 3 people want to play Rugby. They cannot play on their own
3. As said before, professional sportswomen need protection. But that should not mean that we treat Trans people as pariahs. It is a 21st Century "No Blacks. No Irish."
As we (or at least a few of us) prepare to lose this forum, we might care to think what that might mean to a few of the Contributors on here. Because there are some who probably do not naturally fit as easily elsewhere-through no fault of their own.
Surely there are plenty of Spurs forums for those people...
1. Many people seem to be of the opinion that the key to Sport is "fairness". I disagree. Sport, particularly at the Amateur level, is about totally different things. Enjoyment. Camaraderie. Feeling included as part of a Group. Much like the people who contribute on this forum. That's not about including minorities, it is about including everyone
2. To people who think the answer is for these people to play in their own lane. That works for many Sports, and great strides have been made. Wheelchair Rugby, Walking Football and numerous other Sports. Poont is, the people who want to play Sport from the Trans Community is small. Very small. Whole host of reasons for that, from the small number to start with, to mental health conditions, to not wanting to change in front of other people. Of either sex. 3 people want to play Rugby. They cannot play on their own
3. As said before, professional sportswomen need protection. But that should not mean that we treat Trans people as pariahs. It is a 21st Century "No Blacks. No Irish."
As we (or at least a few of us) prepare to lose this forum, we might care to think what that might mean to a few of the Contributors on here. Because there are some who probably do not naturally fit as easily elsewhere-through no fault of their own.
Surely there are plenty of Spurs forums for those people...
I get entirely that certain sections of the Les bian community perceive Trans women as a threat. They believe that they are replacing the masculine side of female-only relationships. That's why (for example) when these people speak out and claim that "someone who is born a woman is always a woman" have no answer when you ask if that means that they are comfortable sharing a changing room with a Trans Man-because, after all, by their logic, they are born a woman.
The rest is people who want to impose their morality on everyone else. In rugby, we are talking about 3 Trans women. Who want to be part of a sporting community. Who do you think this should be up to?
1. The particular 3 individuals and their clubs and team-mates; or 2. You
There are all sorts of answers. From turning up already changed, to using a toilet cubicle, to using a disabled toilet cubicle. And, whichever option is chosen, that has to work for everyone involved.
People who want to be part of a community have feelings. And sensitivities. To the feelings of others, particularly in a Community they want to be part of.
I get entirely that certain sections of the Les bian community perceive Trans women as a threat. They believe that they are replacing the masculine side of female-only relationships. That's why (for example) when these people speak out and claim that "someone who is born a woman is always a woman" have no answer when you ask if that means that they are comfortable sharing a changing room with a Trans Man-because, after all, by their logic, they are born a woman.
The rest is people who want to impose their morality on everyone else. In rugby, we are talking about 3 Trans women. Who want to be part of a sporting community. Who do you think this should be up to?
1. The particular 3 individuals and their clubs and team-mates; or 2. You
There are all sorts of answers. From turning up already changed, to using a toilet cubicle, to using a disabled toilet cubicle. And, whichever option is chosen, that has to work for everyone involved.
People who want to be part of a community have feelings. And sensitivities. To the feelings of others, particularly in a Community they want to be part of.
Donald Trump emboldens boxing chiefs to sue Olympics for letting Imane Khelif fight as a woman
I refer back to when I coached rugby and at age 12 we had to split boys and girls into same sex teams simply for the health and safety aspect
If you take a woman who has transitioned into a man and had the extra testosterone etc and adequate amounts of resistance/weight training then they could perform adequately in the mens game at junior club level
It would not work the other way I feel as a man transitioning the other way would still retain a greater natural propensity for strength and power, which would be akin to letting a professional player run around in a Midlands North 3rd division game. People are going to get hurt.
Also today there are gay men and women who play, change and shower within their team units. I've even seen clubs where showers etc are mixed although there are always seperate facilities. Let's be honest, most rugby players outside elite levels aren't the most asthetically appealing creatures.
So I really don't understand why it's a problem due to the trans nature of the gendering. If I'm willing to share showers with gay team mates what's the difference with sharing a shower facility with one who used to be a woman, and vice versa.
I refer back to when I coached rugby and at age 12 we had to split boys and girls into same sex teams simply for the health and safety aspect
If you take a woman who has transitioned into a man and had the extra testosterone etc and adequate amounts of resistance/weight training then they could perform adequately in the mens game at junior club level
It would not work the other way I feel as a man transitioning the other way would still retain a greater natural propensity for strength and power, which would be akin to letting a professional player run around in a Midlands North 3rd division game. People are going to get hurt.
Also today there are gay men and women who play, change and shower within their team units. I've even seen clubs where showers etc are mixed although there are always seperate facilities. Let's be honest, most rugby players outside elite levels aren't the most asthetically appealing creatures.
So I really don't understand why it's a problem due to the trans nature of the gendering. If I'm willing to share showers with gay team mates what's the difference with sharing a shower facility with one who used to be a woman, and vice versa.
If you had a 15 year old daughter, would you be happy with a 15year old boy sharing a shower with her?
Let's turn that round. Here is the current LGB position.
Do you agree that it is better for a 15 year old girl to share a shower with someone who was born a woman but now has male reproductive equipment? Rather than someone who has had a sex change operation and now has female equipment?
In real life there are sensitivities on all sides
That requires sensible debate.
I bet you still believe a straight man should not share a shower with a Gay man...
Doesn't Trans mean that you are transitioning from one gender to another? When the process is complete, physically and mentally, then you can be the person you want to be. Until then they should stick to their biological gender and be treated as such.
Oh and the letter B in LBG proves there are only 2 genders
Doesn't Trans mean that you are transitioning from one gender to another? When the process is complete, physically and mentally, then you can be the person you want to be. Until then they should stick to their biological gender and be treated as such.
Oh and the letter B in LBG proves there are only 2 genders
Wow. You really don't understand this.
No. Trans does not mean that. Never has. And never will.
If people's position was: pre-op abide by original gender, after be treated as new gender, I could entirely understand that point of view. Personally, I wouldn't agree-but that position has a logic that is conspicuously absent in all of this. However, it does not. The LGB community, who drive this entire debate, believe birth sex defines gender. Full stop. That no operations, no hormone treatment, no intersex condition and no Doctor can change that.
How on earth do you believe the "B" has anything to do with gender? That simply means that people are attracted to people of either sex. If your argument was that Bisexual is interchangeable with Non-Binary, at least that would be understandable (though still wrong).
Whether somebody identifies as being a different gender than that assigned at birth has precisely nothing to do with who they are sexually attracted to.
We have gender neutral toilets at work as our only option. I remember reading some debate in the press at the time we made that decision, which referenced how it could be dangerous for women, as if men wouldn't be able to control themselves in that situation. That's ridiculous, obviously, One thing I've learned from using gender neutral toilets is that women leave more of a mess than men on average.
I refer back to when I coached rugby and at age 12 we had to split boys and girls into same sex teams simply for the health and safety aspect
If you take a woman who has transitioned into a man and had the extra testosterone etc and adequate amounts of resistance/weight training then they could perform adequately in the mens game at junior club level
It would not work the other way I feel as a man transitioning the other way would still retain a greater natural propensity for strength and power, which would be akin to letting a professional player run around in a Midlands North 3rd division game. People are going to get hurt.
Also today there are gay men and women who play, change and shower within their team units. I've even seen clubs where showers etc are mixed although there are always seperate facilities. Let's be honest, most rugby players outside elite levels aren't the most asthetically appealing creatures.
So I really don't understand why it's a problem due to the trans nature of the gendering. If I'm willing to share showers with gay team mates what's the difference with sharing a shower facility with one who used to be a woman, and vice versa.
If you had a 15 year old daughter, would you be happy with a 15year old boy sharing a shower with her?
If that boy identifies as a girl then yes. Surely a bigger threat, if there ever was one, would be for them to shower with a gay girl.
Also I have 2 daughters, both now in their mid 30s, who at 15 spent holidays hiking, staying in bunkhouses which have shared sex sleeping dorms. This is the NORM in bunkhouse/refuge accomodation.
They aren't traumatised or even remotely disturbed.
Trans woman should not be able to compete in woman's sport.
Overall woman don't want it (yet they have it forced upon them) as not only is it dangerous if it is a contact sport but the trans woman has a massive biological advantage and over time would start to dominate woman's competitions. We have already seen numerous cases of biological males competing in the men's sports at a young age where they lets say are average at best, then they transition over to the woman's sport and are winning by a mile. Not only is this dangerous but it is immoral.
I just the other day heard an interview with a young girl of 16 who competed in a national skateboarding competition in Canada with the prizes being prize money and for the top 3 a scholarship. She had trained all year for this event in the hope of getting that scholarship but lone behold a trans woman entered (competed previously as a male and didn't qualify) but blew the field away and finished 1st in the woman's event this pushing the young girl being interviewed into 4th place where she missed out on the scholarship. She has now taken her case to court..... How can this be fair?
I also seen a trans woman enter weightlifting competition in Canada. They walked out at 6 foot 2 weighing over 20 stone, and had full facial hair and towered above all the female athletes (There was not one visual feature that suggested this was a woman) and lifted near double what 2nd place lifted. The look of dejection on the womans faces who finished 2nd and 3rd at the medal ceremony said it all. A male athlete then deliberately entered the woman's competition went on stage quickly lifted a weight that was impossible for any female to lift and walked off rejecting any medal to highlight how absurd this has become.
Serena Williams done a now famous interview backing up John McEnroe's that she shouldn't be considered one of the greatest players ever but acknowledged she was the greatest female player of all time (There is a massive difference). McEnroe got a big backlash from that until Serena went on an interview and agreed 100% with McEnroe saying she would not be able to beat or find it extremely hard to beat a top 200 rated male tennis player.
We have all seen videos of MMA and Boxing Fights between a transwoman and a biological woman and they have ended horribly for the biological females and it put their lives at risk.
In all cases stated above the Trans athlete competed in the mens events and couldnt compete at that level, crossed over and all of a sudden find themselves winning by a country mile.
Woman have the right to a safe place to practice sports as well as any minority. By trying to accommodate the few by putting the lives and health of many at risk is not the answer.
You should be made to compete in the biological sex category you born in. Life isn't fair and there will always be disadvantaged people and its ok to try and accommodate them where possible but not to the disadvantage of 50% of the population. The only solution I can see is to have a voluntary gender free catagory where woman and men nd trans and everyone else for that matter can voluntarily compete in and run along side a female only and male only catagory
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Although Semenya was assigned female at birth,[19][20] she has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5-ARD).[10][11][19] This condition only affects genetic males with XY chromosomes. Individuals with 5-ARD have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised during the development of the reproductive system in utero, due to low levels of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT). As a result, the external genitalia may appear ambiguous or female at birth.[21][22][23]
Semenya has said that she was born with a vagina and internal undescended testes, but that she has no uterus or fallopian tubes and does not menstruate.[11][24][25] Her internal testes produce natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.[11][26] Semenya has rejected the label of "intersex", calling herself "a different kind of woman."[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya#Legal_cases_against_World_Athletics
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has supported the boxers' participation in the 2024 Paris Games, hence why the two remain in the competition. Both the IOC and IBA have given their sides of the debate, however, the complete details of the situation remain murky.
With that said, here is what we know about the facts of the Khelif case and the ongoing conversation that has followed.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/olympics/news/imane-khelif-condition-explained-gender-fact-check/51994b8a2e23e7b423782f7a
https://www.ohchr.org/en/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/intersex-people
I think everyone knows based on my previous posts that i am not transphobic.
I do believe it is a tough one if someone truly identifies as trans it seems harsh for them to deal with where their place is in sports or which dressing rooms they are placed in. No matter what answer you have for that some people will always feel that it is wrong. Its very tough to come up with the right answer.
I do however also feel that this issue gets way more attention then it should in the media. Why do people constantly obsess over this as a major political issue when there are so many more important issues that get less attention?
1. Many people seem to be of the opinion that the key to Sport is "fairness". I disagree. Sport, particularly at the Amateur level, is about totally different things. Enjoyment. Camaraderie. Feeling included as part of a Group. Much like the people who contribute on this forum. That's not about including minorities, it is about including everyone
2. To people who think the answer is for these people to play in their own lane. That works for many Sports, and great strides have been made. Wheelchair Rugby, Walking Football and numerous other Sports. Poont is, the people who want to play Sport from the Trans Community is small. Very small. Whole host of reasons for that, from the small number to start with, to mental health conditions, to not wanting to change in front of other people. Of either sex. 3 people want to play Rugby. They cannot play on their own
3. As said before, professional sportswomen need protection. But that should not mean that we treat Trans people as pariahs. It is a 21st Century "No Blacks. No Irish."
As we (or at least a few of us) prepare to lose this forum, we might care to think what that might mean to a few of the Contributors on here. Because there are some who probably do not naturally fit as easily elsewhere-through no fault of their own.
I get entirely that certain sections of the Les bian community perceive Trans women as a threat. They believe that they are replacing the masculine side of female-only relationships. That's why (for example) when these people speak out and claim that "someone who is born a woman is always a woman" have no answer when you ask if that means that they are comfortable sharing a changing room with a Trans Man-because, after all, by their logic, they are born a woman.
The rest is people who want to impose their morality on everyone else. In rugby, we are talking about 3 Trans women. Who want to be part of a sporting community. Who do you think this should be up to?
1. The particular 3 individuals and their clubs and team-mates; or
2. You
There are all sorts of answers. From turning up already changed, to using a toilet cubicle, to using a disabled toilet cubicle. And, whichever option is chosen, that has to work for everyone involved.
People who want to be part of a community have feelings. And sensitivities. To the feelings of others, particularly in a Community they want to be part of.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/donald-trump-emboldens-boxing-chiefs-to-sue-olympics-for-letting-imane-khelif-fight-as-a-woman/ar-AA1yKqPZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=76ca218627a74945e237856e9d9251fb&ei=69#fullscreen
If you take a woman who has transitioned into a man and had the extra testosterone etc and adequate amounts of resistance/weight training then they could perform adequately in the mens game at junior club level
It would not work the other way I feel as a man transitioning the other way would still retain a greater natural propensity for strength and power, which would be akin to letting a professional player run around in a Midlands North 3rd division game. People are going to get hurt.
Also today there are gay men and women who play, change and shower within their team units. I've even seen clubs where showers etc are mixed although there are always seperate facilities. Let's be honest, most rugby players outside elite levels aren't the most asthetically appealing creatures.
So I really don't understand why it's a problem due to the trans nature of the gendering. If I'm willing to share showers with gay team mates what's the difference with sharing a shower facility with one who used to be a woman, and vice versa.
Do you agree that it is better for a 15 year old girl to share a shower with someone who was born a woman but now has male reproductive equipment? Rather than someone who has had a sex change operation and now has female equipment?
In real life there are sensitivities on all sides
That requires sensible debate.
I bet you still believe a straight man should not share a shower with a Gay man...
When the process is complete, physically and mentally, then you can be the person you want to be.
Until then they should stick to their biological gender and be treated as such.
Oh and the letter B in LBG proves there are only 2 genders
No. Trans does not mean that. Never has. And never will.
If people's position was: pre-op abide by original gender, after be treated as new gender, I could entirely understand that point of view. Personally, I wouldn't agree-but that position has a logic that is conspicuously absent in all of this. However, it does not. The LGB community, who drive this entire debate, believe birth sex defines gender. Full stop. That no operations, no hormone treatment, no intersex condition and no Doctor can change that.
How on earth do you believe the "B" has anything to do with gender? That simply means that people are attracted to people of either sex. If your argument was that Bisexual is interchangeable with Non-Binary, at least that would be understandable (though still wrong).
Whether somebody identifies as being a different gender than that assigned at birth has precisely nothing to do with who they are sexually attracted to.
We have gender neutral toilets at work as our only option. I remember reading some debate in the press at the time we made that decision, which referenced how it could be dangerous for women, as if men wouldn't be able to control themselves in that situation. That's ridiculous, obviously, One thing I've learned from using gender neutral toilets is that women leave more of a mess than men on average.
Also I have 2 daughters, both now in their mid 30s, who at 15 spent holidays hiking, staying in bunkhouses which have shared sex sleeping dorms. This is the NORM in bunkhouse/refuge accomodation.
They aren't traumatised or even remotely disturbed.
Overall woman don't want it (yet they have it forced upon them) as not only is it dangerous if it is a contact sport but the trans woman has a massive biological advantage and over time would start to dominate woman's competitions. We have already seen numerous cases of biological males competing in the men's sports at a young age where they lets say are average at best, then they transition over to the woman's sport and are winning by a mile. Not only is this dangerous but it is immoral.
I just the other day heard an interview with a young girl of 16 who competed in a national skateboarding competition in Canada with the prizes being prize money and for the top 3 a scholarship. She had trained all year for this event in the hope of getting that scholarship but lone behold a trans woman entered (competed previously as a male and didn't qualify) but blew the field away and finished 1st in the woman's event this pushing the young girl being interviewed into 4th place where she missed out on the scholarship. She has now taken her case to court..... How can this be fair?
I also seen a trans woman enter weightlifting competition in Canada. They walked out at 6 foot 2 weighing over 20 stone, and had full facial hair and towered above all the female athletes (There was not one visual feature that suggested this was a woman) and lifted near double what 2nd place lifted. The look of dejection on the womans faces who finished 2nd and 3rd at the medal ceremony said it all. A male athlete then deliberately entered the woman's competition went on stage quickly lifted a weight that was impossible for any female to lift and walked off rejecting any medal to highlight how absurd this has become.
Serena Williams done a now famous interview backing up John McEnroe's that she shouldn't be considered one of the greatest players ever but acknowledged she was the greatest female player of all time (There is a massive difference). McEnroe got a big backlash from that until Serena went on an interview and agreed 100% with McEnroe saying she would not be able to beat or find it extremely hard to beat a top 200 rated male tennis player.
We have all seen videos of MMA and Boxing Fights between a transwoman and a biological woman and they have ended horribly for the biological females and it put their lives at risk.
In all cases stated above the Trans athlete competed in the mens events and couldnt compete at that level, crossed over and all of a sudden find themselves winning by a country mile.
Woman have the right to a safe place to practice sports as well as any minority. By trying to accommodate the few by putting the lives and health of many at risk is not the answer.
You should be made to compete in the biological sex category you born in.
Life isn't fair and there will always be disadvantaged people and its ok to try and accommodate them where possible but not to the disadvantage of 50% of the population. The only solution I can see is to have a voluntary gender free catagory where woman and men nd trans and everyone else for that matter can voluntarily compete in and run along side a female only and male only catagory