In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : Oh well as long as you know it's wrong and you keep doing it anyway no harm in that. So there's nothing to say that such a good moral staunch person as yourself would ever cheat on sky, ah excellent. Glad to have such a respectable member posting aswell, thanks. Posted by beaneh
Oh dear, "keep doing it". I play on sky nearly everyday, I dont have time to "keep doing it"
A lot of people have decided that there is something happening here rather than letting those with the back office software and information look into it deeply. With calls for accounts to be suspended while investigated, information to be given on the progress of the investigation, etc etc it seems theres no place in the poker community for innocent until proven guilty ???
earlier in the thread people were coming up with ways to try and "Castch the multi accounter out" ideas such as call and ask them to log in, ask to speak to both of them, bring both into sky pokers offices and so on. What people fail to understand here is if this IS multi accounting.... but set up in a real persons name through a real persons bank account, who lives with this player.... Then how can you call for suspensions and account freezes on no evidence
Lets say your all right and this is the same person playing under 2 accounts, one of which is his girlfriends, her bank card is registered to it, her address is the same as his, her name is on the poker account details.. how do you PROVE she isn't playing ???? (remember you have to prove she isn't playing, not her prove she is)
Now flip that and lets say the same situation applies, bank account in her name, her address (which happens to be same as his), her name on the poker account... and she IS playing it.... but your calls for this to be dealt with end in HER MONEY being frozen in an account...as this is higher stakes lets say it's £10k... would you be happy with £10k frozen without a rock solid case having been made against you????
Like i said eralier i'm not saying this isn't happening but you have to protect us ALL so we do not fall victim to someone accusing us of something and Sky jumping in and freezing our accounts
Blackfish suggests suspending the account while investigating??? come on blackfish your a legal student.... how about i claim your working in partnership with X Y & Z player. All i do is bring up live chat and report you. Would you expect sky to shut your account down on my say so first and investigate it later??? I certainly wouldn't and would leave if they did
If it's possible to prove then it will be dealt with but if it's not...... it's not... you can't ban or take money from people that you can not 100% prove have breached a rule, and having 2 accounts to the same address in different names to different banks does not break the rules.. In fact there are hundreds or even thousands of couples, brothers, fathers & sons that do have 2 accounts to the same address
I've heard it said that poker is a game of patience (could do with some myself really lol), this is one of those occasions that requires some. We all want things like this dealt with but I for one would rather 10 people got away with it rather than 2 people suffer false accusation, bans and frozen monies having done nothing wrong
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : Dont think this will work as your allowed to play from the same computer if you live in the same house. Posted by DeuceAK-47
i believe this is correct,i have played the open in the dining room and my wife has played the same tourny in the living room(she has only played about a dozen times) im not sure if this is wrong? but if so surely there should be some software to prevent this?
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : i believe this is correct,i have played the open in the dining room and my wife has played the same tourny in the living room(she has only played about a dozen times) im not sure if this is wrong? but if so surely there should be some software to prevent this? Posted by DAVEYZZ
theres nothing wrong with that davey - you just can't sit at the same sit n go or cash table (or at least you shouldn't, not sure if the system will allow it)
What happens in Davey's case then if u get drawn at the same table in an mtt on Sky? Different sites do different things - some log one player out whilst Ive played on 1 where me and the mrs were both still playing!! Slightly off the topic of this thread but would like to know the answer.
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : theres nothing wrong with that davey - you just can't sit at the same sit n go or cash table (or at least you shouldn't, not sure if the system will allow it) Posted by ACESOVER8s
phew,thats ok then didnt want to get into trouble......so whats to stop me playing on my wifes account a couple of nights a week?
on one could prove its me just because we "have the same playing style) i.e. c rap......... dave
What happens in Davey's case then if u get drawn at the same table in an mtt on Sky? Different sites do different things - some log one player out whilst Ive played on 1 where me and the mrs were both still playing!! Slightly off the topic of this thread but would like to know the answer. Posted by phil12uk
as you can not fix landing on the same table (therefore your not setting out to collude, simply to play then it just lets you continue on sky
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : phew,thats ok then didnt want to get into trouble......so whats to stop me playing on my wifes account a couple of nights a week? on one could prove its me just because we "have the same playing style) i.e. c rap......... dave Posted by DAVEYZZ
in truth, probably nothing, unless of course you announce it on here lol
this is kind of my point with the other posts though, what if sky came in tomorrow and froze yours 7 the wifes account, took your money, and banned you..... All on the say so of me because i decided your play and your wifes was far too similar for it to be 2 people so i reported you !
Now it's true to say that it's possible you are playing both accounts, maybe you get paid monthly and have a second account in her name as when you run out of money you put money on from her account (not suggesting that you do this nor am i suggesting that you go busto every month lol) -
But in your case it's not true, i think it's safe to say you would have a word or 2 to shout if this happened to you so it's not as cut and dried as people are asuming it is on here
phil23uk... davyzz... what is the name of your wife's account? that would be a good thing to publish Posted by aussie09
but it shouldn't need to be published, and shouldn't unless his wife decides to comment and make herself known
the point is there is no breach of the rules until you prove that the 2 accounts are one person and not just one address. And to prove that would be nigh on impossible unless they wrote in chatboxes using their real name or said something in there that gave the game away, something like "i'm on the wifes account, just going to log mine on" which obviously would be a laughable thing to do if your trying to get away with multi accounting lol
phil23uk... davyzz... what is the name of your wife's account? that would be a good thing to publish Posted by aussie09
good point but not needed as unfair on missus imo,my missus and 1 play on here and we have been on same table a few times on freebies( she beat me on hu lol) i didnt like it 1 bit as it hindered my game alot
In Response to Re: Failing to deal with multi-accounting... : in truth, probably nothing, unless of course you announce it on here lol this is kind of my point with the other posts though, what if sky came in tomorrow and froze yours 7 the wifes account, took your money, and banned you..... All on the say so of me because i decided your play and your wifes was far too similar for it to be 2 people so i reported you ! Now it's true to say that it's possible you are playing both accounts, maybe you get paid monthly and have a second account in her name as when you run out of money you put money on from her account (not suggesting that you do this nor am i suggesting that you go busto every month lol) - But in your case it's not true, i think it's safe to say you would have a word or 2 to shout if this happened to you so it's not as cut and dried as people are asuming it is on here Posted by ACESOVER8s
my point exactly,just because the accounts are in the same house/ip address does not mean they are the same player. if im honest i dont really see a problem with multi accounts as long as one players is not in the same tourny/cash table and playing both hands,
i scotty says he and all the regs(i.e good cash players) noticed this player straight away,and it is the new(i.e novice players)he is concerned about..but surely this "high profile player" would crush a novice anyway?
nonsense... if you have two accounts you should, at the very least, publish an interest. the question remains.... phil23uk... davyzz... what is the name of your wife's account? mickyblue... does your wife have an account too? Posted by aussie09
Is this deliberate or ignorant? I havent said my wife plays on sky (she doesnt) and said the instances have happened on other sites in the past. I wanted an answer in response to Davey's post and aces gave it (ty aces).
nonsense... if you have two accounts you should, at the very least, publish an interest. the question remains.... phil23uk... davyzz... what is the name of your wife's account? mickyblue... does your wife have an account too? Posted by aussie09
you have lost me a bit aussie..not sure if you are joking,but i dont have two accounts,or interest..i have an account and so does my wife..
aussie09 go to match.com if you wanna chat women up
and no Daveyzz just because you don't play a high volume doesn't mean that you are a 'novice'. there are many players on here who only play once/week who are probably better than a lot of high volume regs.
davyzz i am sure youre an honourable and honest guy...
we all choose to play or not against others.... if you knew that the person you were plating online actually lived with phil helmuth wouldnt you prefer to know/?
if you happily declare the name of your wife's profile that's all good and straightforward. in fact it is then upto the player if they choose to play your wife or not. itis a problem if you keep her name a secret. thats why i ask... if you declare it, it is never any question of being deceptive... rather a statement of openness and fairness.
you may have told the forum already..in which case i didnt know.
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earlier in the thread people were coming up with ways to try and "Castch the multi accounter out" ideas such as call and ask them to log in, ask to speak to both of them, bring both into sky pokers offices and so on. What people fail to understand here is if this IS multi accounting.... but set up in a real persons name through a real persons bank account, who lives with this player.... Then how can you call for suspensions and account freezes on no evidence
Lets say your all right and this is the same person playing under 2 accounts, one of which is his girlfriends, her bank card is registered to it, her address is the same as his, her name is on the poker account details.. how do you PROVE she isn't playing ???? (remember you have to prove she isn't playing, not her prove she is)
Now flip that and lets say the same situation applies, bank account in her name, her address (which happens to be same as his), her name on the poker account... and she IS playing it.... but your calls for this to be dealt with end in HER MONEY being frozen in an account...as this is higher stakes lets say it's £10k... would you be happy with £10k frozen without a rock solid case having been made against you????
Like i said eralier i'm not saying this isn't happening but you have to protect us ALL so we do not fall victim to someone accusing us of something and Sky jumping in and freezing our accounts
Blackfish suggests suspending the account while investigating??? come on blackfish your a legal student.... how about i claim your working in partnership with X Y & Z player. All i do is bring up live chat and report you. Would you expect sky to shut your account down on my say so first and investigate it later??? I certainly wouldn't and would leave if they did
If it's possible to prove then it will be dealt with but if it's not...... it's not... you can't ban or take money from people that you can not 100% prove have breached a rule, and having 2 accounts to the same address in different names to different banks does not break the rules.. In fact there are hundreds or even thousands of couples, brothers, fathers & sons that do have 2 accounts to the same address
I've heard it said that poker is a game of patience (could do with some myself really lol), this is one of those occasions that requires some. We all want things like this dealt with but I for one would rather 10 people got away with it rather than 2 people suffer false accusation, bans and frozen monies having done nothing wrong
on one could prove its me just because we "have the same playing style)
i.e. c rap.........
dave
this is kind of my point with the other posts though, what if sky came in tomorrow and froze yours 7 the wifes account, took your money, and banned you..... All on the say so of me because i decided your play and your wifes was far too similar for it to be 2 people so i reported you !
Now it's true to say that it's possible you are playing both accounts, maybe you get paid monthly and have a second account in her name as when you run out of money you put money on from her account (not suggesting that you do this nor am i suggesting that you go busto every month lol) -
But in your case it's not true, i think it's safe to say you would have a word or 2 to shout if this happened to you so it's not as cut and dried as people are asuming it is on here
phil23uk... davyzz...
what is the name of your wife's account?
that would be a good thing to publish
the point is there is no breach of the rules until you prove that the 2 accounts are one person and not just one address. And to prove that would be nigh on impossible unless they wrote in chatboxes using their real name or said something in there that gave the game away, something like "i'm on the wifes account, just going to log mine on" which obviously would be a laughable thing to do if your trying to get away with multi accounting lol
if im honest i dont really see a problem with multi accounts as long as one players is not in the same tourny/cash table and playing both hands,
i scotty says he and all the regs(i.e good cash players) noticed this player straight away,and it is the new(i.e novice players)he is concerned about..but surely this "high profile player" would crush a novice anyway?
nonsense... if you have two accounts you should, at the very least, publish an interest.
the question remains.... phil23uk... davyzz... what is the name of your wife's account?
mickyblue... does your wife have an account too?
acesover8s ...
does your wife have an account on sky?
and no Daveyzz just because you don't play a high volume doesn't mean that you are a 'novice'. there are many players on here who only play once/week who are probably better than a lot of high volume regs.
davyzz i am sure youre an honourable and honest guy...
we all choose to play or not against others.... if you knew that the person you were plating online actually lived with phil helmuth wouldnt you prefer to know/?
if you happily declare the name of your wife's profile that's all good and straightforward. in fact it is then upto the player if they choose to play your wife or not. itis a problem if you keep her name a secret. thats why i ask... if you declare it, it is never any question of being deceptive... rather a statement of openness and fairness.
you may have told the forum already..in which case i didnt know.
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