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Odds question...

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited July 2010 in Poker Chat

This is probably a really stupid question to ask as the answer may get me in alot of trouble.

If I am dealt Ace King at a 6 handed table, what are the fractional odds of any opponent having pocket Kings or pocket aces?

Thanx
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
    edited July 2010
    It all depends who is sat at the table. If its Tikay or phil12uk, or a couple of others i could mention then its a 100% certanty that they will have the AA or KK if you are dealt AK lol, as a fraction i think that is 1/1, i hope this helps.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010

    Wakey wakey Vince
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    Wakey wakey Vince
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    come on dohhhhhh you know vince is nocturnal, you got no hope of him answering until at least midnight.

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  • harvey23harvey23 Member Posts: 433
    edited July 2010
    1 out of 121 times.
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  • dav1964dav1964 Member Posts: 2,526
    edited July 2010
    Nearly harvey its 1 in 121.5555555555555 times

    PS unless as looney says its Tikay or Phil
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  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2010
    @DOHHHHHHHH. The racing post have a good book on poker that gives you all the odds in a range of different scenarios, very thorough and in table format that make it easy to understand and remember. but(and i'm trying to be lighthearted), 'it happens'! ;)
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    1 out of 121 times.
    Posted by harvey23
    I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.

    I'd say that the odds of another player holding AA or KK if you hold AK on a six seater table are 40 to 1
    (i.e. 5 * 2 * 3/50 * 2 /49).

    As always, I'm happy to be corrected.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010
    40/1??? is that all???

    I thought 120/1 was abit low....
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    40/1??? is that all??? I thought 120/1 was abit low....
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Not on a six seater table.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010


    So if I have ace king, its a 40/1 shot that someone has me absolutely crushed then.

    Thanx, I thought the odds wud be something krazy, 300/1 maybe - which wud make AK unfoldable in my mind, and cost me a fortune. 40/1 is a big eye opener for me.

    How about the odds of KK and AA being dealt in the same set of hole cards, 6 handed?

    Mght as well ask away while you're awake :)

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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    So if I have ace king, its a 40/1 shot that someone has me absolutely crushed then. Thanx, I thought the odds wud be something krazy, 300/1 maybe - which wud make AK unfoldable in my mind, and cost me a fortune. 40/1 is a big eye opener for me. How about the odds of KK and AA being dealt in the same set of hole cards, 6 handed? Mght as well ask away while you're awake :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Roughly 1/221 * 1/221 * 30 = 1627/1.
    (There are 30 ways that six players could hold two hands).

    The odds of someone holding KK if someone else has AA aren't quite 1/221 but it's close enough.
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,622
    edited July 2010

    'The odds of someone holding KK if someone else has AA aren't quite 1/221 but it's close enough'

    So when I had AA v KK 3 times on the bounce a month or so ago and the KK won every race................all six handed.......odds of that please Vince? You may of answered this one before but as I was tilting for England after this, I may of missed it.

    Sorry for hijacking your thread JJ. Have you seen my thread in area51 BTW all about AK?

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2010
    Hi - Jack away, the more info the better.

    So to clarify, if I have AK, its a 40/1 shot that Im gonna be crushed.

    And If I have KK, Im gonna be AIPF v AA once every 220 times! - I think I've heard that before and just forgot.

    Amzed at the 40/1 tho! Scary!
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    'The odds of someone holding KK if someone else has AA aren't quite 1/221 but it's close enough' So when I had AA v KK 3 times on the bounce a month or so ago and the KK won every race................all six handed.......odds of that please Vince? You may of answered this one before but as I was tilting for England after this, I may of missed it. Sorry for hijacking your thread JJ. Have you seen my thread in area51 BTW all about AK?
    Posted by MAXALLY
    It's "slim" if you mean consecutive hands.
    I'd say roughly 1/221*1/221*5*.2*1/221*1/221*5*.2*1/221*1/221*5*.2.
    This would be about 116,507,435,287,320 to 1.


    If you just mean each time you got AA (on non-consecutive hands) someone got KK and beat you, then I'd say roughly 1/221*5*.2*1/221*5*.2*1/221*5*.2 which is about 10,793,860 to 1.
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    Hi - Jack away, the more info the better. So to clarify, if I have AK, its a 40/1 shot that Im gonna be crushed. And If I have KK, Im gonna be AIPF v AA once every 220 times! - I think I've heard that before and just forgot. Amzed at the 40/1 tho! Scary!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Yes, if you consider AK v KK being crushed.


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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,622
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    In Response to Re: Odds question... : It's "slim" if you mean consecutive hands. I'd say roughly 1/221*1/221*5*.2*1/221*1/221*5*.2*1/221*1/221*5*.2. This would be about 116,507,435,287,320 to 1. If you just mean each time you got AA (on non-consecutive hands) someone got KK and beat you, then I'd say roughly 1/221*5*.2*1/221*5*.2*1/221*5*.2 which is about 10,793,860 to 1.
    Posted by MereNovice
    TY. Yes, it wasn't consecutive hands but was 3 consecutive times that I had AA and was beat by KK every time!! Hence my tilt dot com. Wow......some odds that! Cheers Vince.

    Have you read that thread JJ? (in area 51....AK....how good/bad are these two cards)
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  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2010
    @doh the chances of being dealt AK is 110 to 1, AKs is 331 to 1,the chances of being dealt any pair is 16 to 1, A's OR k's is 220 to 1 and if you are holding AK the chances of an opponent having A's or K's is relative to that! it is definitely not 40 to 1! removing an A and K and the deck to 50 cards doesn't reduce the odds by a factor of 5+. ;)

    p.s remember doh that AK gets beat by any pair and even if you catch the flop with either or both there are many scenario's that will beat you.
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  • candicandi Member Posts: 2,162
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    In Response to Re: Odds question... : I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. I'd say that the odds of another player holding AA or KK if you hold AK on a six seater table are 40 to 1 (i.e. 5 * 2 * 3/50 * 2 /49). As always, I'm happy to be corrected.
    Posted by MereNovice
    I`m not really an odds person, but this answer sounds the most realistic in terms of `live` game play on a six seater.
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  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2010
    @dohhhhhh
    check this info out:    http://www.pokercheckraise.com/poker_probability.html
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  • Mr_MiyagiMr_Miyagi Member Posts: 2,031
    edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Odds question...:
    In Response to Re: Odds question... : I`m not really an odds person, but this answer sounds the most realistic in terms of `live` game play on a six seater.
    Posted by candi
    certainly not as odd as a few people on here.
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