"some of the figures that are being thrown around here just aint possible ' a years living expenses, plus a 10k roll'...i just aint got that."
If you 'aint' got it then you would be very foolish to do it. Quitting a full-time job with only 40-buy-ins and no living expenses would not be wise at all. Fact: even the best and most experienced poker players with the biggest edges go through losing streaks. You could find yourself, after a few months of breaking even or losing, with no money left, no job and no way to start a roll and make money again. You need a sufficient roll to ride through these streaks.
"i dont think my laptop can cope with playing more than 3 tables anyway and too be honest im not really comfortable playing more than that. 2 is my preffered option."
You don't even have a desktop!?
"here but isn't skypoker suppost to be one of the softest and easiest sites to beat?"
Even if this is true how do you know it is going to stay that way? How do you know how the poker economy is going to change? How do you know how the ratio of tough players to bad players is going to change in the future i.e games get tougher? What if SkyPoker closed down? What would you do then?
if im playing 8 hours a day 6 days a week
Just read that and actually imagine it. Sitting behind your laptop and thinking and clicking for 8 hours a day, everyday. It can become so monotonous, boring and stressful. Imagine playing 8 hours a day, 6 days a week and then breaking even - not making any profit.
These figures r krazzzzzy u aint married with 8 kids r u???
JUST 50 quid a day for a year = 18 grand. Some days ur gonna lose abit, ya, but, shouldnt be alot playing nl50 on sky, and other days ur gonna win 2 buy ins (£100) within an hour, and take the rest of the day off if u like.
Why over complicate it? - within 2 months, u cud do the 8 hours a day thing, and make a 12k easy. - Thats 8 months wages to some people (yeh not a gr8 wage, but its deffo a gr8 job)
I made £4k in a month, playing only every other day, at nl30.
The boring grind theory deffo gets put into perspective when u can get up at 1pm and order a chinese on your dinner break. You can then clock off after your tenth can of larger, and not have to worry about a lift home. - U can get bladdered on a work night, and not have to worry about having a hangover for work the next day - just f*k it off.
Happy days!
Too much easy money on sky in the lower mid stakes to have drastic downswings - u cud lose 5 buy ins in an hour AIPF with AA v KK - but if u play 3 tables from 11pm-5am, u will win 5 buy ins off clowns who think 2nd pair is the nuts for 100bbs.
The one worrying thing tho wud be BD's point about is sky always gonna be easy? I hope they never let people use those software programmes, but...even if they do, ull have access to it too, dnt worry bouttttttttt it.
How many hands/hr is the norm on sky? 60ish, I dunno.
If its around that, then playin 2 tables of nl50 per day ur playing what, say 1k hands per day.
If you wanna make £50 per day you need to be running at a consistant winrate of 10bb/100. Which is good. I dont know if I would like to grind 8hrs / day for 50 quid.
These figures could well be wrong so someone please correct me.
I know some of the top cash and tournament players on PS FT and I was around when they started off 8 years ago. They were all young and relatively commitment free, and that's very important. The added pressure if you have a family to support is going to be a killer.
They were all very good tournament players who played cash occasionally. They bankrolled themselves through tournament wins and made the move over to cash gradually using their tournament wins to BR themselves. One or two (Moorman and Gregoir) of them remained mainly tournament players and do very well at it. Others ( Gee & Pab) moved predominantly over to cash but still play the bigger tournaments. These guys were very talented and have the ability to switch their game between cash and mtt. I think I'm right in saying they also finished off their Uni so they always have a fallback. During that period there were some guys who sold/mortgaged their houses to become pro poker players and they fell by the wayside some years ago. They weren't lesser players they were just under the hammer from the off.
The advice given regarding fallback money is very sound. My experience tells me that no matter how good you are at poker, if you load yourself with any factors where you have just GOT to win, the stress will negatively affect your game. To be successful is easier if it isn't crucial whether you win or not.
Poker is sheeeet, all that happens is you lose. Play snap for matchsticks instead imo.
If they do get the rng fixed here let me know pls so maybe i'll wins a pot.
Also just for an idea over the years i've seen graphs of good winning players with 200k hand break even stretches. 50 buyins below ev is possible, can you afford that? can you still play your same game? can you keep moving up/down as your br allows? can you keep your concentration for 8 hours a day? even when your running bad? also lol at everyone having laptops, sky is resource happy, I have a high end laptop goodd processor 4gb ram and 2-3 tables is my absolute max without it blowing up in my face and slowing right down and timing me out. On my desktop i've been able to get 20+ tables comfortably! For constant grinding a desktop is a must have (also I got repetitive strain injury when I ground 40k points in a month because too much of my spare time was also spent on the computer!).
These figures r krazzzzzy u aint married with 8 kids r u??? JUST 50 quid a day for a year = 18 grand. Some days ur gonna lose abit, ya, but, shouldnt be alot playing nl50 on sky, and other days ur gonna win 2 buy ins (£100) within an hour, and take the rest of the day off if u like. Why over complicate it? - within 2 months, u cud do the 8 hours a day thing, and make a 12k easy. - Thats 8 months wages to some people (yeh not a gr8 wage, but its deffo a gr8 job) I made £4k in a month, playing only every other day, at nl30. The boring grind theory deffo gets put into perspective when u can get up at 1pm and order a chinese on your dinner break. You can then clock off after your tenth can of larger, and not have to worry about a lift home. - U can get bladdered on a work night, and not have to worry about having a hangover for work the next day - just f*k it off. Happy days! Too much easy money on sky in the lower mid stakes to have drastic downswings - u cud lose 5 buy ins in an hour AIPF with AA v KK - but if u play 3 tables from 11pm-5am, u will win 5 buy ins off clowns who think 2nd pair is the nuts for 100bbs. The one worrying thing tho wud be BD's point about is sky always gonna be easy? I hope they never let people use those software programmes, but...even if they do, ull have access to it too, dnt worry bouttttttttt it. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
This is poor thinking.
Poker is a skank.
You have AA vs KK you have 80% equity for 200bb pot. So you expect 160bb. But you get given either 0bb or 200bb. This boolean policy can really scre_w you over in the short and long term!
Everything evens out, IF you can get in those spots again and again and again (and have unlimited funds to keep trying!!).........
I left uni 1 year ago, with a grand and a 2.1 in PE and youth sport, ive lived off poker since, and have 5 figures banked plus my account,(and £34.44 on bet365!!).
Edit - before I get lol'd at, obv Im making pennies compared to many, but only a year into playing seriously And I have no alarm in the morning, unless it's the Jeremy Kyle music, give me that over a 9-5 job neday.
Also, I play nl30, 4-6 hours a day, some days up to 8, and its every other day! I also spew on average 5 buy ins a week in the last half hour of sessions, when had too many beers.
If someone with eagles talent took it even abit more seriously than I do, he cud eaily make 25k a year.
Works for me! I left uni 1 year ago, with a grand and a 2.1 in PE and youth sport, ive lived off poker since, and have 5 figures banked plus my account,(and £34.44 on bet365!!). Edit - before I get lol'd at, obv Im making pennies compared to many, but only a year into playing seriously And I have no alarm in the morning, unless it's the Jeremy Kyle music, give me that over a 9-5 job neday. Also, I play nl30, 4-6 hours a day, some days up to 8, and its every other day! I also spew on average 5 buy ins a week in the last half hour of sessions, when had too many beers. If someone with eagles talent took it even abit more seriously than I do, he cud eaily make 25k a year. RESIGN !! Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I was only 2 tabling, had no big tourny wins (£100 for 2nd in the velocity was the only one of note) (£5 Buy in) I only played 15/16 days out of 30/31 And spewed buy ins drunk. If ur gonna commit, that cud easily have been 10k..... Or easily 4k, running average. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I was only 2 tabling, had no big tourny wins (£100 for 2nd in the velocity was the only one of note) (£5 Buy in) I only played 15/16 days out of 30/31 And spewed buy ins drunk. If ur gonna commit, that cud easily have been 10k..... Or easily 4k, running average. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
When you say you are taking 2/3 month off work. So I assume you will be able to go back to work. Playing poker sounds like a great job but I believe you would end up giving up a hobby which can be very enjoyable and rewarding, you would have to be making quite a bit more money than you do in work to make it worth your while. 2/3 months is not enough time to make this sort of decision.
I know I have been in the poistion where I have got home from work or had a day off and logged on and start playing poker because it is "what I do". I am not always playing my best game when I am doing this but you would be in a situation where you are almost obliged to do this.
Are you sure that you can live with playing and dropping 4 buyins (£200) in a day without doing anything wrong. Bad runs are made that much worse as it is not just money on the side but your living. I guess this is why you need the 12 month living expenses as this would lessen the impact of this but I think it would still hurt more than when you know you have a monthly wage coming in.
If you are going to do it I would try and take two days off per week, maybe have one day playing luve or something. Thats just my opinion a different mindset might make you very successful.
depends on circumstances. if you are young and living at home then go for it and see what happens. you will need to take quite a few risks if you are going to do it as in move up the limits as quickly as you can and learn to play more tables.
i really dont think it is realistic to make a living on 2 .25/.50 tables the grind would be horrible and the income wouldnt be enough to make it worthwhile. if you move up quickly then its realistic to do it playing 4 tables of 1/2.
i would play more than one site and include an american site so you are guaranteed action everytime you want/need it.
the main thing will be discipline. can you really play that many hours on sky? (think of the software and the level of play etc)
how much do you think you will make in a year? what is the most you could win? what is realistic? what would be below what you hoped for?
what happens if it goes wrong? do you have the discipline to quit if it doesnt go as you hoped?
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These figures r krazzzzzy u aint married with 8 kids r u???
JUST 50 quid a day for a year = 18 grand. Some days ur gonna lose abit, ya, but, shouldnt be alot playing nl50 on sky, and other days ur gonna win 2 buy ins (£100) within an hour, and take the rest of the day off if u like.
Why over complicate it? - within 2 months, u cud do the 8 hours a day thing, and make a 12k easy. - Thats 8 months wages to some people (yeh not a gr8 wage, but its deffo a gr8 job)
I made £4k in a month, playing only every other day, at nl30.
The boring grind theory deffo gets put into perspective when u can get up at 1pm and order a chinese on your dinner break. You can then clock off after your tenth can of larger, and not have to worry about a lift home. - U can get bladdered on a work night, and not have to worry about having a hangover for work the next day - just f*k it off.
Happy days!
Too much easy money on sky in the lower mid stakes to have drastic downswings - u cud lose 5 buy ins in an hour AIPF with AA v KK - but if u play 3 tables from 11pm-5am, u will win 5 buy ins off clowns who think 2nd pair is the nuts for 100bbs.
The one worrying thing tho wud be BD's point about is sky always gonna be easy? I hope they never let people use those software programmes, but...even if they do, ull have access to it too, dnt worry bouttttttttt it.
If its around that, then playin 2 tables of nl50 per day ur playing what, say 1k hands per day.
If you wanna make £50 per day you need to be running at a consistant winrate of 10bb/100. Which is good. I dont know if I would like to grind 8hrs / day for 50 quid.
These figures could well be wrong so someone please correct me.
Eagle i think thats a good idea we should have a poker clinic table going could be at various levels as we do get input at all levels in the clinic
They were all very good tournament players who played cash occasionally. They bankrolled themselves through tournament wins and made the move over to cash gradually using their tournament wins to BR themselves. One or two (Moorman and Gregoir) of them remained mainly tournament players and do very well at it. Others ( Gee & Pab) moved predominantly over to cash but still play the bigger tournaments. These guys were very talented and have the ability to switch their game between cash and mtt. I think I'm right in saying they also finished off their Uni so they always have a fallback. During that period there were some guys who sold/mortgaged their houses to become pro poker players and they fell by the wayside some years ago. They weren't lesser players they were just under the hammer from the off.
The advice given regarding fallback money is very sound. My experience tells me that no matter how good you are at poker, if you load yourself with any factors where you have just GOT to win, the stress will negatively affect your game. To be successful is easier if it isn't crucial whether you win or not.
Works for me!
I left uni 1 year ago, with a grand and a 2.1 in PE and youth sport, ive lived off poker since, and have 5 figures banked plus my account,(and £34.44 on bet365!!).
Edit - before I get lol'd at, obv Im making pennies compared to many, but only a year into playing seriously
And I have no alarm in the morning, unless it's the Jeremy Kyle music, give me that over a 9-5 job neday.
Also, I play nl30, 4-6 hours a day, some days up to 8, and its every other day! I also spew on average 5 buy ins a week in the last half hour of sessions, when had too many beers.
If someone with eagles talent took it even abit more seriously than I do, he cud eaily make 25k a year.
RESIGN !!
I was only 2 tabling, had no big tourny wins (£100 for 2nd in the velocity was the only one of note) (£5 Buy in)
I only played 15/16 days out of 30/31
And spewed buy ins drunk.
If ur gonna commit, that cud easily have been 10k.....
Or easily 4k, running average.
loooooooooooooooooool
Do u think I am making it up?
these are the top 3 money winners on ip playing nl50
1st 86,000 hands won 5,900
2 165,000 hands won 5,500
3 206,000 hands won 5400
in 50th is 130,000 hands won 2,400
im not sure how credible these stats are but they are supposedly based on this year so far
I know I have been in the poistion where I have got home from work or had a day off and logged on and start playing poker because it is "what I do". I am not always playing my best game when I am doing this but you would be in a situation where you are almost obliged to do this.
Are you sure that you can live with playing and dropping 4 buyins (£200) in a day without doing anything wrong. Bad runs are made that much worse as it is not just money on the side but your living. I guess this is why you need the 12 month living expenses as this would lessen the impact of this but I think it would still hurt more than when you know you have a monthly wage coming in.
If you are going to do it I would try and take two days off per week, maybe have one day playing luve or something. Thats just my opinion a different mindset might make you very successful.
depends on circumstances. if you are young and living at home then go for it and see what happens.
you will need to take quite a few risks if you are going to do it as in move up the limits as quickly as you can and learn to play more tables.
i really dont think it is realistic to make a living on 2 .25/.50 tables the grind would be horrible and the income wouldnt be enough to make it worthwhile. if you move up quickly then its realistic to do it playing 4 tables of 1/2.
i would play more than one site and include an american site so you are guaranteed action everytime you want/need it.
the main thing will be discipline. can you really play that many hours on sky? (think of the software and the level of play etc)
how much do you think you will make in a year? what is the most you could win? what is realistic? what would be below what you hoped for?
what happens if it goes wrong?
do you have the discipline to quit if it doesnt go as you hoped?