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Yorkie74
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Scenario that happened to me tonight in a live game at Grosvenor.
I have pocket 6's flop x6x rainbow turn A river x
me and 1 other player all in. Villain shows AA!!!
Player not in hand claims A 10
Another player claims A 2
On hearing this a player demands the cards are checked as both players are adamant they are not liars. Low and behold there are 5 aces in the deck - an extra Ace of hearts is in the pack!!!!
Bear in mind the player with AA had to draw an Ace to win this hand there should have been no more aces in the pack.
Tournament director called.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO????????
Would be interested to hear your views and would also be interested to hear if anyone knows what the actual rule really is. I will post later what actually happened.
Comments
I'd b curious to know wot d rule is
then we will discuss this 5th ace afterwards.
two part question to the answer--
did this game have an employed dealer--
or was it a ring game with players dealing in turn--
1-assuming it was an employee of the casino dealing--
the hand should be declared void with all monies (or chips) returned to those involved in the hand--
along with the dealer being taken off--(it was his duty to check the deck before starting the session)
also (not likely but possible)
2-if it was a game where the players were taking it in turn to deal then you have a problem--
because its more than likely either there was a rouge player or maybe two involved in cheating--
1. Was the additional ace the only extra card in the deck?
2. Did the player holding AA have the ace of hearts in his hand?
Wow, good story.
No idea what should happen, but if I were TD, I'd declare the hand null and void and start again with a new deck.
Will be interesting to read what the actual outcome was.
No idea what the outcome should be but if i had been already knocked out i wouldnt be happy!!
Please don't post the outcome until Grandad Tikay comes on and tells us his views because it would be great to see what an experienced and ancient TD like him would do here
Either the dealer has not done their job properly or someone has cheated and snuck the extra ace in. Sadly, i think the latter is more likely...
If the extra ace belongs to the person that "won" the hand, then suspicions are on him.
If there are cameras these can be checked for cheating.
With regards to the hand itself, it has to be voided surely, as it would seem that the person with AA has had an unfair mathmatical advantage (even if very small) Cue Vince to work out the percentages...
I presume this is a dealer dealt tournament - so collusion et al caould be considered etc but it could also be a mistake - hard to understand that one though I know!! As for getting your money back and a free entry - highly unlikely to happen m8 because 1.It proves that there is something wrong with their tournament organiasational skills, 2. You would have to care for your punters to give them their money back!! TBH if you threaten to leave they and never come back they aint gonna lose much sleep - there are always enough poker junkies out there so these poker tournaments will always continue to run
It was level 1 of the tournament, dealer dealt by casino, nobody had been eliminated or re-bought.
15 mins had elapsed so perhaps 1 orbit of the table had been completed.
Sian is not sure if the AA holder had the Ace of Hearts.
The casino dealer was adamant he checked the deck correctly before play started.
After the hand he re-checked the deck and found in front of everybody 2 AH
The additional ace was the only extra card in the pack.
Interestingly the is only one dome camera above all the tables so they may not be able to see clearly specific cards laid down at one time on all tables.
To make it clear, Sian was holding a flopped set of 6's, the second nuts on this board and the opponent drew an ace on the turn which should not have been possible with two players having folded aces, they drew a 0 outer to win the hand!
I have gone through a number of possible rulings and I can't find one that satisfies anybody.
Also relevant is this casino had a 5 fours in a deck in a cash game a few weeks ago!! The flop was x 4c 4c lol
Will be interested to hear a Tikay response and would love to hear Simon Trumper's opinion at DTD in a few weeks time.
Dave
Well it is the Dealer's job to check the deck so when 5 Aces have been found the outcome should surely be the same as I statd earlier - Bum deal and Sian should get her chips back along with the villain imo.