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Should i of called with pocket fives???
DAVEYZZ
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Hi all just asking opinions on my penultimate hand in the sky final at dtd.
everyone folds to the small blind and he pushes all in on me in the big blind,i look down at pocket fives and we have a chip count its 102k to call and i have 170k,i suspect he is on a steal but also realise he could have two overcards,after thinking for a short while i call he shows ace two of diamonds,so i only have to dodge one overcard but the inevitable happens and he spikes an ace on turn,the next hand gets folded to me in small blind and i push for 74k on a 10kblind with 1k antes(25k in the pot) and bb instantly calls.
do you think i should of folded my fives and do you think the bb should of folded his hand (he had q8 and hit an 8).
my reasoning for making a fairly loose call is that it would of put me into second place with a real possibility of winning the tourny
everyone folds to the small blind and he pushes all in on me in the big blind,i look down at pocket fives and we have a chip count its 102k to call and i have 170k,i suspect he is on a steal but also realise he could have two overcards,after thinking for a short while i call he shows ace two of diamonds,so i only have to dodge one overcard but the inevitable happens and he spikes an ace on turn,the next hand gets folded to me in small blind and i push for 74k on a 10kblind with 1k antes(25k in the pot) and bb instantly calls.
do you think i should of folded my fives and do you think the bb should of folded his hand (he had q8 and hit an 8).
my reasoning for making a fairly loose call is that it would of put me into second place with a real possibility of winning the tourny
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Im not sure what i'd have done with the 55. Yes he could well be on the steal but at best you've got to think your 50/50 depends if you want to risk alot of your chips on a coin toss. There are alot of hands he would play the same where your 80/20 behind. 66,77 etc.
As it happends you where a big fav and got unlucky and i cant believe the bb next hand snap called you with q8
see u next tour?
Alex
You had only put in 11k I think from the above and its a coin flip at best in most situations (though it turns out to have been better than 50/50 for you) so I would probably have passed but I play much too passive.
saw your reply on the fact that sky let in more players (pro's) and i agree with you it was a great experiance to play with top players i had skullman on my table and he was a real gent,i think after this tourny my game has acually raised a level due to the fact it was such a great structure and and the quality of player that attended.......dave
Next hand, you're extremely unlucky to find a BB wanting to gamble, although - if i were in his position - im probably thinking that ur steaming and ur gonna shove given half the chance. Could be why he called with the average hand.
The snap call by the Q 8 was the donkest call of the whole tourney i saw and from a regular live dtd player too. Well done on how you handled being knocked out by him especially taking into account his far from gracious comments
Definite call IMO. Snap it with your hand in the air! You got three outered don't let the result colour your thinking. If you fold here you are definitely -EV in your tournament play!
We're going to feature this hand on Thursday 18th June! It will be our hot forum topic! Tune in to find out what Tikay would have done and whether Michelle agrees ;-)
It was nice meeting you again at the weekend and playing on the same table for a while, congratulations on getting so far.
I would probably have folded the 5's, but as you say it gave you a chance to build a really big stack and was worth taking the gamble.
Hi Davey,
Good to see you at the weekend.
Do I call there, with those Fives?
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until Thursday to find out - we plan to discuss the hand on the Show.
As to the Big Blinds call with spanners, I think you are thinking completely wrong here. Here's why.....
1) You cannot control what others do.
2) Concentrate on YOUR play, not the play of others. You did the right thing - you did - and that's ALL THAT MATTERS.
Getting back to that Call with Fives, ponder this, please.
a) What was the BEST situation you could reasonably hope for?
b) And what was the LIKELY situation you would face if you Called with 5-5?
Now turn that into probable odds. Chances are, theoretically, that you'd be facing a "flip". (The fact that you were not is irrelevant, & results orientated).
Great question, as it happens, & the answer - or more correctly, the reasoning behind my view - might just shock you.
Watch Thursday's Show, & you'll see it my way. Possibly......
I would have folded, because of the amount it would have left me and the fact that I could find a better situation with a stack size that gives you a lot of play. Please don't take this as a criticism, as i'm a tightish player and you finished higher than me.
I have come to the opinion that you dont win a tournament by the hands you win but by the hands you get off, that save your chips.
I made one mistake in 14 hours of play that crippled me, but i will put that in the mind bank and remember that hand next i'm in a similar situation. As long as we learn from our mistakes its not to bad.
Well done m8 and see you on the tables.
col
Yes, he had A2 but much more likely he had an overpair or two overcards, in which case you're either a small favourite or a massive dog.
As he is the one who shoved you had zero fold equity too - you'd have been statistically better folding the 55 and shoving with any two cards in the next hand. You still had M />10 so there was plenty of time to wait for a better situation to arise.