In Response to Re: accounts : The welcome bonus was only introduced around a year ago, meaning that players who had been here from the start never had the opportunity to achieve it. And FWIW back in the old days you could only register one debit/creidt card to your account, and the customer service people told me to open a new account each time so for about a year I had 3! Sky did close them tho when they introduced their new payment system tho. Posted by scotty77
Hi mate, what does FWIW mean?
for what its worth?
I suppose though its a case of market forces. Sky decided to introduce an offer that would only be available for new player from a certain date. In most industries offers like this are standard. For example in banking a new rate would be introduced for new account holders, but would not be retrospectively applied to existing account holders. In that case I do not think a customer would pretend to be someone they are not, for the purpose of creating a new bank account, thereby benefiting from the new introductory offer - in this example it would be clear that person would be committing fraud.
Sometimes being an early adopter of something (in this case Sky Poker) does produce higher costs, but of course, you also had the fun of playing on Sky a lot longer than the new players. I am sure the standard of play has increased now, meaning it was perhaps easier for you to make a profit on here in the old days? What do you think?
p.s. well done on all your live winnings recently.
In Response to Re: accounts : I agree completely multi accounting is bang out of order. good post Tikay10 (or should that be Tikay1..................) ;-p lol Posted by dodgydaz
You, Sir, will go far. If I catch you.
The Thread needed a little humour - well done you.
In Response to Re: accounts : Hi mate, what does FWIW mean? for what its worth? I suppose though its a case of market forces. Sky decided to introduce an offer that would only be available for new player from a certain date. In most industries offers like this are standard. For example in banking a new rate would be introduced for new account holders, but would not be retrospectively applied to existing account holders. In that case I do not think a customer would pretend to be someone they are not, for the purpose of creating a new bank account, thereby benefiting from the new introductory offer - in this example it would be clear that person would be committing fraud. Sometimes being an early adopter of something (in this case Sky Poker) does produce higher costs, but of course, you also had the fun of playing on Sky a lot longer than the new players. I am sure the standard of play has increased now, meaning it was perhaps easier for you to make a profit on here in the old days? What do you think? p.s. well done on all your live winnings recently. Dave Posted by Grimstar30
A well thought out response, Dave.
Of course Tikay is right on this one and there's another sporting reason why having multiple accounts shouldn't be allowed. When you go to your local card room, you might play against Joe Bloggs and build up a certain history with him. You look for tells, note his betting patterns, sizes, the way he does all of these things and more.
Now imagine how you'd feel if Joe Bloggs turned up but looked entirely different and is not recognisable. He's changed his name and appearance entrirely. He's still got all of his knowledge on you but you couldn't apply any of yours to him. Frustrating, huh?
I just think that there should have been parity offered for the very first month that the bonus was introduced. That would mean that everyone who had signed upto Sky in the year and a half before, and loyally paid rake during that time, would have the opportunity to take advantage of it as well.
Sky poker has only got to where it is now due to the loyal support of a core group of players, and this has never been appropriatley recognised as such.
The cash for points promo is a very good step forward, however anyone who is knowledgeable of the poker world realises that the percentage offered is poor.
But whatever I was just suggesting that trying to take advantage of the welcome bonus is one reason why someone would want to multi-account.
Sky offers an instant cash bonus (well 375 points so as good as) for new players, but the it also offers £500 for 7.5k poker points. This is a far, far greater rate than you will get at cash for points so in effect new players get 2 welcome bonuses.
In Response to Re: accounts : A well thought out response, Dave. Of course Tikay is right on this one and there's another sporting reason why having multiple accounts shouldn't be allowed. When you go to your local card room, you might play against Joe Bloggs and build up a certain history with him. You look for tells, note his betting patterns, sizes, the way he does all of these things and more. Now imagine how you'd feel if Joe Bloggs turned up but looked entirely different and is not recognisable. He's changed his name and appearance entrirely. He's still got all of his knowledge on you but you couldn't apply any of yours to him. Frustrating, huh? In conclusion: What Tikay said. Posted by Sky_Dave
Thanks Dave, got to put my brain to use while inbetween jobs!!
What you wrote reminds me of the WSOP, last year I think? didn't one of the famous players dress up in makeup etc as an old man? I assume he had the same name though (phil laak?!)
I am sure Alan (my financee dave - long story ask TK!) wishes I could change my appearance, generally, not just at the tables
I just think that there should have been parity offered for the very first month that the bonus was introduced. That would mean that everyone who had signed upto Sky in the year and a half before, and loyally paid rake during that time, would have the opportunity to take advantage of it as well. Sky poker has only got to where it is now due to the loyal support of a core group of players, and this has never been appropriatley recognised as such. The cash for points promo is a very good step forward, however anyone who is knowledgeable of the poker world realises that the percentage offered is poor. But whatever I was just suggesting that trying to take advantage of the welcome bonus is one reason why someone would want to multi-account. Sky offers an instant cash bonus (well 375 points so as good as) for new players, but the it also offers £500 for 7.5k poker points. This is a far, far greater rate than you will get at cash for points so in effect new players get 2 welcome bonuses. Posted by scotty77
...and that would be fraudelent.
Sorry Scotty, we ain't gonna have a meeting of minds here. The prices of Products, Services & Commodities rise & fall, all the time. We can't buy last week's products at this week's prices, or vice-versa, the free economy does not work that way - anywhere.
To open Multi-Accounts to get round this is plain wrong.
I don't expect any Service Provider, be it a Poker Site or a bicycle Shop to short-change me, or diddle me. In return, I don't think we should try & diddle them.
In Response to Re: accounts : Thanks Dave, got to put my brain to use while inbetween jobs!! What you wrote reminds me of the WSOP, last year I think? didn't one of the famous players dress up in makeup etc as an old man? I assume he had the same name though (phil laak?!) I am sure Alan (my financee dave - long story ask TK!) wishes I could change my appearance, generally, not just at the tables Dave Posted by Grimstar30
p.s. Dave, TK has a percentage of Alan at the next SKUPT tour event. Yes this is mucky lol
Ok well we agree to disagree tikay. Its not even that much but I just think that there should have been an opportunity for everyone to take advantage of it. I think it came out in Sept, last year and a friend of min registerested one day before Sky introduced this promotion, and they still wouldn't give it to him even tho he emailed them.
Ok well we agree to disagree tikay. Its not even that much but I just think that there should have been an opportunity for everyone to take advantage of it. I think it came out in Sept, last year and a friend of min registerested one day before Sky introduced this promotion, and they still wouldn't give it to him even tho he emailed them. Posted by scotty77
Yes, we'll agree to disagree.
If Tesco put the price of Baked Beans up this week, do you really think they will allow you to buy them at last week's price, because you are a loyal customer? They appreciate your loyalty, they might even liike you, but they ain't gonna do that anytime soon.
What they will do is keep fettling their Product prices/promotions to keep it competitive, to the benefit of everyone - the Players, & the Site.
hi rich was only joking about a job but thx anyway and am fully aware about tikays position
now ill explain i did not say using multiple accounts at the same time because i know that is totally wrong
but the reason being my other half closed his account and they wont re-open it for him and he's totally gutted as he made a lot of friends on the way since he signed up and a pacific friend i would like to mention is tiggerace7 and kingdoug and many others sry if i didn't mention you so i let him play my account but he says it don't feel right
hi rich was only joking about a job but thx anyway and am fully aware about tikays position now ill explain i did not say using multiple accounts at the same time because i know that is totally wrong but the reason being my other half closed his account and they wont re-open it for him and he's totally gutted as he made a lot of friends on the way since he signed up and a pacific friend i would like to mention is tiggerace7 and kingdoug and many others sry if i didn't mention you so i let him play my account but he says it don't feel right as he wants to be involved in the sky forum many thanks lucky Posted by lucky77777
1) Well you questioned it earlier, & when explained, you said it "made no sense"......
2) You should not allow anyone to play on your Account. If I were you, I'd write to Customer Support now - immediately - & explain the circumstances, & assure them it won't happen again. The motive was clearly innocent, but that's not the point.
One assumes there is a good reason that Sky Poker will not re-open your friends account, but getting round it this way can only end in tears.
Multi-Accounting is against the Rules, & as a player on this Site - one, I might add that has already been duped once by a Multi-Accounter (who got caught subsequently) - I expect Sky Poker to protect me & my fellow players from such dubious practices.
It seems like your husband self-excluded himself from the site.
I can't see Sky moving on this, as this would go against the 'responsible gaming' attitude that, to their credit, Sky promotes heavily both online and on the TV channel.
I would say that if your husband wants to continue to chat to his poker mates then he gets their facebook!!!
i thought multi accounts meant having 2 accounts so u could play as 2 people on the site which is cheating however if a player closes an account for what ever reason then surely they should be able to re activate that account at a later date therfor this would still be a single account, and the one they were originally on or am i wrong??
oh i see its ok for tikay to play for sky but he cant play mine mmmmm Posted by lucky77777
lucky no one would question it if you hadn't brought it up here, its not like Sky can remote activate your webcam to get a live feed of the gender of who is playing on the account so they wouldn't have known. nor can they ever prove that it is not you. they would only know if you admitted it on their very own forum!!!!
my advice is this: sky will at best email you saying 'please can you make sure that only you, and not your husband plays on your account'. reply saying of course, sorry you have learned your lesson etc.
i thought multi accounts meant having 2 accounts so u could play as 2 people on the site which is cheating however if a player closes an account for what ever reason then surely they should be able to re activate that account at a later date therfor this would still be a single account, and the one they were originally on or am i wrong?? Posted by loonytoons
Sky complys with gamble aware. The people who close the account may have gambling problems. If someone decides to self exclude then that is them admitting to SkyBet that they do have a problem.
I know a number of total degenerates who have ruined their lives thru casinos/betting shops/fruit machines etc and SkyBet should be praised for being very strict when it comes to this issue.
of course there are thousands of betting sites out there, so anyone can just sign up for another (and most probably do) but at least SkyBet is doing the best it can in this area.
i thought multi accounts meant having 2 accounts so u could play as 2 people on the site which is cheating however if a player closes an account for what ever reason then surely they should be able to re activate that account at a later date therfor this would still be a single account, and the one they were originally on or am i wrong?? Posted by loonytoons
No, you are not wrong.
However, there are certain situations in which there are exceptions - for instance, a player who self-excludes for, say, 12 months, cannot, under any circumstances, re-activate the Account in a lesser period. That is done for the players protection, & in line with Responsible Gaming guidelines.
i thought multi accounts meant having 2 accounts so u could play as 2 people on the site which is cheating however if a player closes an account for what ever reason then surely they should be able to re activate that account at a later date therfor this would still be a single account, and the one they were originally on or am i wrong?? Posted by loonytoons
i can see no reason why sky will not re-open the account for him surely thats bad buisness.if i own a shop and a customer says they will shop else where and 2 weeks time come in to purchase something i am not going to turn them away.
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for what its worth?
I suppose though its a case of market forces. Sky decided to introduce an offer that would only be available for new player from a certain date. In most industries offers like this are standard. For example in banking a new rate would be introduced for new account holders, but would not be retrospectively applied to existing account holders. In that case I do not think a customer would pretend to be someone they are not, for the purpose of creating a new bank account, thereby benefiting from the new introductory offer - in this example it would be clear that person would be committing fraud.
Sometimes being an early adopter of something (in this case Sky Poker) does produce higher costs, but of course, you also had the fun of playing on Sky a lot longer than the new players. I am sure the standard of play has increased now, meaning it was perhaps easier for you to make a profit on here in the old days? What do you think?
p.s. well done on all your live winnings recently.
Dave
That one provided a hearty chuckle TK. beautifully understated.
The Thread needed a little humour - well done you.
Of course Tikay is right on this one and there's another sporting reason why having multiple accounts shouldn't be allowed. When you go to your local card room, you might play against Joe Bloggs and build up a certain history with him. You look for tells, note his betting patterns, sizes, the way he does all of these things and more.
Now imagine how you'd feel if Joe Bloggs turned up but looked entirely different and is not recognisable. He's changed his name and appearance entrirely. He's still got all of his knowledge on you but you couldn't apply any of yours to him. Frustrating, huh?
In conclusion: What Tikay said.
Sky poker has only got to where it is now due to the loyal support of a core group of players, and this has never been appropriatley recognised as such.
The cash for points promo is a very good step forward, however anyone who is knowledgeable of the poker world realises that the percentage offered is poor.
But whatever I was just suggesting that trying to take advantage of the welcome bonus is one reason why someone would want to multi-account.
Sky offers an instant cash bonus (well 375 points so as good as) for new players, but the it also offers £500 for 7.5k poker points. This is a far, far greater rate than you will get at cash for points so in effect new players get 2 welcome bonuses.
What you wrote reminds me of the WSOP, last year I think? didn't one of the famous players dress up in makeup etc as an old man? I assume he had the same name though (phil laak?!)
I am sure Alan (my financee dave - long story ask TK!) wishes I could change my appearance, generally, not just at the tables
Dave
Sorry Scotty, we ain't gonna have a meeting of minds here. The prices of Products, Services & Commodities rise & fall, all the time. We can't buy last week's products at this week's prices, or vice-versa, the free economy does not work that way - anywhere.
To open Multi-Accounts to get round this is plain wrong.
I don't expect any Service Provider, be it a Poker Site or a bicycle Shop to short-change me, or diddle me. In return, I don't think we should try & diddle them.
If Tesco put the price of Baked Beans up this week, do you really think they will allow you to buy them at last week's price, because you are a loyal customer? They appreciate your loyalty, they might even liike you, but they ain't gonna do that anytime soon.
What they will do is keep fettling their Product prices/promotions to keep it competitive, to the benefit of everyone - the Players, & the Site.
2) You should not allow anyone to play on your Account. If I were you, I'd write to Customer Support now - immediately - & explain the circumstances, & assure them it won't happen again. The motive was clearly innocent, but that's not the point.
One assumes there is a good reason that Sky Poker will not re-open your friends account, but getting round it this way can only end in tears.
Multi-Accounting is against the Rules, & as a player on this Site - one, I might add that has already been duped once by a Multi-Accounter (who got caught subsequently) - I expect Sky Poker to protect me & my fellow players from such dubious practices.
I can't see Sky moving on this, as this would go against the 'responsible gaming' attitude that, to their credit, Sky promotes heavily both online and on the TV channel.
I would say that if your husband wants to continue to chat to his poker mates then he gets their facebook!!!
my advice is this: sky will at best email you saying 'please can you make sure that only you, and not your husband plays on your account'. reply saying of course, sorry you have learned your lesson etc.
I know a number of total degenerates who have ruined their lives thru casinos/betting shops/fruit machines etc and SkyBet should be praised for being very strict when it comes to this issue.
of course there are thousands of betting sites out there, so anyone can just sign up for another (and most probably do) but at least SkyBet is doing the best it can in this area.
However, there are certain situations in which there are exceptions - for instance, a player who self-excludes for, say, 12 months, cannot, under any circumstances, re-activate the Account in a lesser period. That is done for the players protection, & in line with Responsible Gaming guidelines.