If you ask questions about the tests carried out on card distribution you are referred by Sky Bernie to the RNG certificate. On there it clearly states that the tests are carried out by TST, who are approved and overseen by the Alderney GCC. If you then direct your questions to those companies you are either ignored or, despite numerous communications, they will not give a straight answer. Even when the question is put in such a way that a straightforward Yes or No answer can be given - no answer is forthcoming. When you then direct details of that communication back to Sky it is ignored or you are then given a link to the RNG Certificate - so it's back to square one. If that seems Ok then there really is little more to be added. Posted by elsadog
And it costs up to £150,000 for the certificate so are they really gonna look too deeply into their paymasters rng anomolies ?
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : And it costs up to £150,000 for the certificate so are they really gonna look too deeply into their paymasters rng anomolies ? Posted by loonytoons
It costs that amount for the Licence........ the RNG certification is extra
ive never posted in area 51, i am a winning player, i am winning at this moment in time, i love playing at sky, have never left or claimed to be leaving, i am a 41yr old man with a good education and a good family life that enjoys playing poker. i am also allowed an opinion and in my opinion this debate is far from over!
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : you write the same old stuff over & over again its rather boring. if you dont like it the door is that way<<<<<<<<<<<< simples!!! Posted by seppe
If thats the best response you can manage maybe you should make it your last post.
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : Yep EXACTLY, as is anyone who puts any valid counter argument the other way eh? so LOOOOOOOL straight back at you mr big shot Posted by debdobs_67
Never been called a big shot before... will take it in the complimentary way (I assume) it was intended.
As far as I know, I haven't questionned the integrity of anyone putting a counter argument, and have no reason to.
Ambyr has put up some sensible posts, and I have replied with my point of view... as far as I see it a grown up debate on a contentious subject.
I suppose he has if you haven't bothered reading what anyone else had to say. Posted by elsadog
Problem is Elsa, that no-one who is on the 'is it rigged' side of the discussion, has put forward any evidence to support their point of view.... it's mostly, I don't trust online poker, and it's up to the poker sites to MAKE me trust them.
This maybe a slight over simplification, but it's not far from the truth.
Occasionally, someone interjects with a 'I once met this man...', but it's rarely / ever a solid source with a name, and the sites they are referring to, and why we should believe them.
If it is that bad, why can someone not come up with some evidence that says 'over 100,000 hands the river card was an Ace 14% of the time, instead of just under 8%.
That would be far better, as a basis for a debate.
I've seen on this thread, and in another thread, the comment that Skypoker should be doing something about convincing us that they are on the level. And an inference that not doing this infers that something may not be right. Why should they. If it was my business, I probably wouldn't do anything. Why not? - it's difficult to change minds that are already made up. - if I know I am reputable & honest, why should I waste my time trying to prove it, when there is no evidence to the contrary. - it would be a difficult / complicated and expensive thing to do. There is a point of view that by not doing this, they are losing business. I'm not sure that is the case. Most of the 'area 51' posts are from losing players. Usually, despite their moans and groans, they still play. If you offered them proof that it wasn't a rigged poker site that was causing them to lose, they may finally find out that they are pretty poor at the game.... and give up. No excuses left, see. And a lot of the people who leave SkyPoker to go and play other sites, will come back at some point. Not all, but that is the reality of business, and SP seem to be winning more new customers than they are losing, so alll's good in that area. Sermon over..... have a nice day. Posted by jakally
There was a thread running in area 51 recently abou tthe seemingly extraordinary number of "action" hands being dealt. I believe there were a number of winning players contributing to the thread and questioning the veracity of the rng and/or the downstream card delivery process. The card delivery process, in particular, is being questioned for two reasons; 1. the certification, testing and published policies do not categorically state anywhere that the cards are delivered to the table in the exact sequence that they are generated by tthe RNG (a rather large omission) and 2. it would be extremely easy to run a program downstream of the RNG that selects specific cards from the remaining deck at any time and deals them to the table in order to generate "action". It does not help the situation that Sky is regulated by an obscure organisation registered in Alderney that refuses to answer direct questions with explanatory answers.
Jakally has just ended the debate with his last two posts imo. Posted by simuk
No offence meant, Simuk, but if that's what you think you're not much of a thinker. Perhaps a second read of the thread from start to finish with an open mind might help.
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : Problem is Elsa, that no-one who is on the 'is it rigged' side of the discussion, has put forward any evidence to support their point of view.... it's mostly, I don't trust online poker, and it's up to the poker sites to MAKE me trust them. This maybe a slight over simplification, but it's not far from the truth. Occasionally, someone interjects with a 'I once met this man...', but it's rarely / ever a solid source with a name, and the sites they are referring to, and why we should believe them. If it is that bad, why can someone not come up with some evidence that says 'over 100,000 hands the river card was an Ace 14% of the time, instead of just under 8%. That would be far better, as a basis for a debate. Posted by jakally
A year or more ago there was a thread running on here discussing why Sky can't/won't improve the way that hand histories are stored and accessed. Currently, a large sample of hand histoies cannot be accessed, downloaded and analysed. That is why, for example, it is not possible to use HEM on Sky. Without the ability to download hand histories into a database for analysis it is impossible to produce any statistics except for trivial ones based on a small sample that is much too small to be statistically valid.
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : Problem is Elsa, that no-one who is on the 'is it rigged' side of the discussion, has put forward any evidence to support their point of view.... it's mostly, I don't trust online poker, and it's up to the poker sites to MAKE me trust them. This maybe a slight over simplification, but it's not far from the truth. Occasionally, someone interjects with a 'I once met this man...', but it's rarely / ever a solid source with a name, and the sites they are referring to, and why we should believe them. If it is that bad, why can someone not come up with some evidence that says 'over 100,000 hands the river card was an Ace 14% of the time, instead of just under 8%. That would be far better, as a basis for a debate. Posted by jakally
There are currently a number of class action law suits in America based upon this exact thing. I myself took a 100k hand history to FT with concerns, was given the run around for months then was threatened with account closure. Believe me bud, people do present sites with erroneous hand histories. In turn I pose a question to you, Where something may be found to be erroneous, who investigates it? Who ajudicates it? There is no mediatary or external investigating body, other than the offshore licence provider. They provide a license, nothing more. This is why many individuals have turned to the courts.
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : There are currently a number of class action law suits in America based upon this exact thing. Posted by AMYBR
Can you point me in the direction of a link to this... would be interested in finding out a bit more about it.
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : Can you point me in the direction of a link to this... would be interested in finding out a bit more about it. Posted by jakally
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : In turn I pose a question to you, Where something may be found to be erroneous, who investigates it? Who ajudicates it? There is no mediatary or external investigating body, other than the offshore licence provider. They provide a license, nothing more. Posted by AMYBR
Fair question, and one to which I do not have a complete answer.
The online poker community does a decent job of policing it's environment (the TwoPlusTwo poker forum is probably the best example of this), and where there have been previous issues, these have been highlighted to the point that sites have taken action to address.
Although SkyPoker handhistories cannot be downloaded / statistically analysed, all of the biggest sites have thousands of people each day using tracking software.
Many of the players who use tracking software look at / analyse the data regularly.
I am not aware of any evidence arising from this that shows that online poker is rigged.
If there were any serious issues, surely there would be a huge scandal by now?
How does this apply to Sky? Because just as a small minority of SP players do not trust / openly criticise SP, on a daily basis people are saying exactly the same things about these sites ('Jokerstars', etc...).
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : Can you point me in the direction of a link to this... would be interested in finding out a bit more about it. Posted by jakally
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulltiltpoker.com This should get you started. Also see state of Kentucky sues Full tilt, I'll put more up later. Posted by AMYBR
None of that is anything to do with RNG's, and whether online poker is rigged.
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : There are currently a number of class action law suits in America based upon this exact thing. I myself took a 100k hand history to FT with concerns, was given the run around for months then was threatened with account closure. s. Posted by AMYBR
In Response to Re: Is online poker rigged? - Blog Post : None of that is anything to do with RNG's, and whether online poker is rigged. Posted by jakally
I never said poker WAS rigged, and as i also said I shall add more
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It does not help the situation that Sky is regulated by an obscure organisation registered in Alderney that refuses to answer direct questions with explanatory answers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulltiltpoker.com
This should get you started. Also see state of Kentucky sues Full tilt, I'll put more up later.
100k hand sample is meaningless
I never said poker WAS rigged, and as i also said I shall add more
100,000 hand sample is meaningless??? are you serious?? OMG