below is a response to a email from some poor sod who wants his money back in his account in ftp . it seems this is AGCC stands on what the FBI is calling fraud .
" so i emailed the Alderney gaming commission this weekend and just got a reply: "
Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
Thank you for contacting Alderney Gambling Control Commission. At the present time we are only able to reiterate what Full Tilt Poker have informed us, that being that your funds are safe and secure and that everything possible is being done to rectify this situation as quickly as possible.
We apologise for the inconvenience but no further information can be given at this time.
what happened to all the RAKE AND FEEES? i played on absolute poker and fulltilt .com?? thought we got some of that $$$ back??? they dont give me nothing on those sites i swear it..ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN.!!
SUrely they must distribute cash where they see fit i guess imo./..think they call it pro-distribution lol
you do realise you have to sign up for rakeback using an affiliate right? Posted by offshoot
Yeah understand that, thanks. but my understanding was that you could only get this when you initially signed up for the a/c, and if you get rakeback then you aren't entitled to bonus points etc. Its just I've always been curious why on pokertableratings/listings they have a column showing how much you've received... when actually you haven't because you didn't register for it.
that is just because they assume you will have it, they have no knowledge whether you do or you dont, its just showing you how much you should have received if you do have it.
well i took advantage of pokerstars this morning with no american players a $16.50 turbo 3.5k gtd binked 2nd for $979 now i feel dead won't be playing again till the weekend..... also with regarding RB on tilt you are still able to get it after you register your account by emailing support and explaining that you would like rake back which then gets paid to you weekly
With all the talk out there about online corruption this matter hardly helps things. There seems to be a point of view though that it is ok, as it was just the federal government these multi billion dollar companies have been ripping off, rather than its consumer base.
I think if a person chooses to look between the lines of this most recent scandal there is much to be seen. I think that anyone believing that this is the only integral underhand element that these companies are capable of, then they really are looking through rose tinted glasses
i know its terrible right? companies using whatever methods neccessary to make sure money gets to the players bank accounts. Posted by offshoot
So you think the ends justify the means? That its ok to extend your business model to circumvent federal law. Should a reputable business need to take those convoluted steps to begin with?
I dont know how people can simply rationalise these issues away. Were talking of fraud on a huge scale, but they had good intentions so its ok? Who do you really think those intentions served?
Victoria Corens take on it all from todays column in the Guardian- "The big Sunday tournaments online were busy this week, despite the ghostly disappearance of American players. Some sort of clampdown is going on in the States over online poker – nobody yet understands exactly what it is, so I have no analysis" does she not read the news?
I KNOW 1 THING THT HAPPEND ON ABSOLUTE POKER.COM, THEY CHANGED MY PAYMENT METHOD AND I WASNT ALLOWED TO USE CREDIT CARD FOR SOMETIMES,AND THEY INSISTED USING ANOTHER METHOD IE NETTELLER OR UKASH, NOW I KNOW WHEN THEY INSIST ON USING OTHER METHODS OF DEPOSIT I KNOW SOMEHTING WAS WRONG ....WAS I RIPPED OFF THROUGHT THIS PAYMENT SCHEME OR WAS IT A SNEAKY DEVIOUS WAY FOR ME AND MY ACCOUNT TO GET JUST THE CASH ON THE SITE???
WHOS KNOWS ,BUT 1 THING FOR SURE NOW MY ACCOUNT IS CLOSED WITH AP AND COMPLAINT WITH KWANAKE GAMING BOARD IS STILL STUCK UP SOMEONES BUTTOLE./!! THEY HAVENT EVEN INVESTIGATED MY HH WHICH NEEDS AUDITING IN DETAIL.. I WAS CHEATED THATS A FACT.
you do realise you have to sign up for rakeback using an affiliate right? Posted by offshoot
NO U SHOULDNT "HAVE TO" SIGN UP FOR NOTHING !! WHERE DOES THIS EXCESS MONEY COME FROM ,HOW MUCH DO AFFILIATES MAKE ,OBVIOUSLY THIS NEEDS ADDRESSSING FOR MOST MAJOR SITES ,I GOT NOTHING BACK FROM ANY OF THEM REGARDS FEES OR RAKEBACK..
HOW MUCH THESE AFFILIATES MAKE IS UNKNOWN TO ME AND WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CLARIFIED.
In Response to ... : NO U SHOULDNT "HAVE TO" SIGN UP FOR NOTHING !! WHERE DOES THIS EXCESS MONEY COME FROM ,HOW MUCH DO AFFILIATES MAKE ,OBVIOUSLY THIS NEEDS ADDRESSSING FOR MOST MAJOR SITES ,I GOT NOTHING BACK FROM ANY OF THEM REGARDS FEES OR RAKEBACK.. HOW MUCH THESE AFFILIATES MAKE IS UNKNOWN TO ME AND WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CLARIFIED. Posted by AJW1976
Of course you should 'have to' sign up. You pay a rake on every site you play on. It just so happens that some sites give some of that rake back to companies (affiliates) who send them a lot of members. Some of this gets sent from the affiliate back to the player as an incentive to keep playing
I KNOW 1 THING THT HAPPEND ON ABSOLUTE POKER.COM, THEY CHANGED MY PAYMENT METHOD AND I WASNT ALLOWED TO USE CREDIT CARD FOR SOMETIMES,AND THEY INSISTED USING ANOTHER METHOD IE NETTELLER OR UKASH, NOW I KNOW WHEN THEY INSIST ON USING OTHER METHODS OF DEPOSIT I KNOW SOMEHTING WAS WRONG ....WAS I RIPPED OFF THROUGHT THIS PAYMENT SCHEME OR WAS IT A SNEAKY DEVIOUS WAY FOR ME AND MY ACCOUNT TO GET JUST THE CASH ON THE SITE??? WHOS KNOWS ,BUT 1 THING FOR SURE NOW MY ACCOUNT IS CLOSED WITH AP AND COMPLAINT WITH KWANAKE GAMING BOARD IS STILL STUCK UP SOMEONES BUTTOLE./!! THEY HAVENT EVEN INVESTIGATED MY HH WHICH NEEDS AUDITING IN DETAIL.. I WAS CHEATED THATS A FACT. Posted by AJW1976
Yes, the system was designed to rip you off, all that money, all those systems, just to get YOUR money. Heh
Your money is gone, AP wont be giving a penny out. I am surprised some people still played it though after previous issues.
In Response to Re: DOJ indicts U.S. poker sites : Yes, the system was designed to rip you off, all that money, all those systems, just to get YOUR money. Heh Your money is gone, AP wont be giving a penny out. I am surprised some people still played it though after previous issues. Posted by MrWh1te
So THEN my question is how do i get monies back and time well spent for playing on the site??? 4 years on and off playing ,.....what can i do??bring civil action against them or what?it has been noted in the past i can bring a civil action case but they dont seem too bothered by it and tbh i dont need the hassle with it all.....
WHy have they not apologised in any case for what seem like purposely stonewalling the gp? and of course u then get the top leading pros walk off the site and do a runner for what seems like they already knew about what was going to happen,all that stuff about harddrive loss of data nonsense too i find someone is not telling the whole truth......i complained over my doc31 account and they just close accunts down because they said i was "quote" A PROBLEM CUSTOMER" UNQUOTE.........SUCH BS in its entirety ,now i relaise i wasnt going to win what i had played for to win and thier false advertising for the WSOP and a lot of games I played under reletavely speaking was a fale trojan and someone talking out their rear end!!! when in fact I had no such chance to win anything of anything on those sites,........
AND FULLTILT POKER VERY MUCH ON THE SAME LEVEL/. over and out,.!!!!
well i took advantage of pokerstars this morning with no american players a $16.50 turbo 3.5k gtd binked 2nd for $979 now i feel dead won't be playing again till the weekend..... also with regarding RB on tilt you are still able to get it after you register your account by emailing support and explaining that you would like rake back which then gets paid to you weekly Posted by delaney09
In Response to Re:... : Of course you should 'have to' sign up. You pay a rake on every site you play on. It just so happens that some sites give some of that rake back to companies (affiliates) who send them a lot of members. Some of this gets sent from the affiliate back to the player as an incentive to keep playing Affiliates AFAIK make millions Posted by MrWh1te
this affiliate company bullcrapp should be balsted off into orbit.! that smoney revenue for some one who has no commercial need to get involved with any of the poker sites...they have no right in making money from players moreover if they sign though a diff weblink......
there should be none affiliate involvement !it should be all on accounts with pure poker sites only not though some random hosted affiliate site that just get %of whatever monies from sites or players...Who are all these affiliate companys involved?? Is this in the terms and conditons of the sign up contract with the big poker sites?
Mr white ,someone obviously knows how to make money for these sites whether its some chinese dos program for companys to utilise for thier benifit or what makes me more angry is the fact that some sites likeabsolute poker hold thier servers in different college institutions , huh well u didnt think the networks were on the level . dont know why but the network servers are all from like college places.
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below is a response to a email from some poor sod who wants his money back in his account in ftp .
it seems this is AGCC stands on what the FBI is calling fraud .
" so i emailed the Alderney gaming commission this weekend and just got a reply: "
Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
Thank you for contacting Alderney Gambling Control Commission. At the present time we are only able to reiterate what Full Tilt Poker have informed us, that being that your funds are safe and secure and that everything possible is being done to rectify this situation as quickly as possible.
We apologise for the inconvenience but no further information can be given at this time.
Kind regards,
Christie Crawford
Assistant Licensing Officer
AGCC
SUrely they must distribute cash where they see fit i guess imo./..think they call it pro-distribution lol
With all the talk out there about online corruption this matter hardly helps things. There seems to be a point of view though that it is ok, as it was just the federal government these multi billion dollar companies have been ripping off, rather than its consumer base.
I think if a person chooses to look between the lines of this most recent scandal there is much to be seen. I think that anyone believing that this is the only integral underhand element that these companies are capable of, then they really are looking through rose tinted glasses
So you think the ends justify the means? That its ok to extend your business model to circumvent federal law. Should a reputable business need to take those convoluted steps to begin with?
I dont know how people can simply rationalise these issues away. Were talking of fraud on a huge scale, but they had good intentions so its ok? Who do you really think those intentions served?
"The big Sunday tournaments online were busy this week, despite the ghostly disappearance of American players. Some sort of clampdown is going on in the States over online poker – nobody yet understands exactly what it is, so I have no analysis"
does she not read the news?
WHOS KNOWS ,BUT 1 THING FOR SURE NOW MY ACCOUNT IS CLOSED WITH AP AND COMPLAINT WITH KWANAKE GAMING BOARD IS STILL STUCK UP SOMEONES BUTTOLE./!! THEY HAVENT EVEN INVESTIGATED MY HH WHICH NEEDS AUDITING IN DETAIL.. I WAS CHEATED THATS A FACT.
HOW MUCH THESE AFFILIATES MAKE IS UNKNOWN TO ME AND WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CLARIFIED.
You pay a rake on every site you play on. It just so happens that some sites give some of that rake back to companies (affiliates) who send them a lot of members. Some of this gets sent from the affiliate back to the player as an incentive to keep playing
Affiliates AFAIK make millions
Your money is gone, AP wont be giving a penny out. I am surprised some people still played it though after previous issues.
WHy have they not apologised in any case for what seem like purposely stonewalling the gp? and of course u then get the top leading pros walk off the site and do a runner for what seems like they already knew about what was going to happen,all that stuff about harddrive loss of data nonsense too i find someone is not telling the whole truth......i complained over my doc31 account and they just close accunts down because they said i was "quote" A PROBLEM CUSTOMER" UNQUOTE.........SUCH BS in its entirety ,now i relaise i wasnt going to win what i had played for to win and thier false advertising for the WSOP and a lot of games I played under reletavely speaking was a fale trojan and someone talking out their rear end!!! when in fact I had no such chance to win anything of anything on those sites,........
AND FULLTILT POKER VERY MUCH ON THE SAME LEVEL/. over and out,.!!!!
there should be none affiliate involvement !it should be all on accounts with pure poker sites only not though some random hosted affiliate site that just get %of whatever monies from sites or players...Who are all these affiliate companys involved?? Is this in the terms and conditons of the sign up contract with the big poker sites?
Mr white ,someone obviously knows how to make money for these sites whether its some chinese dos program
for companys to utilise for thier benifit or what makes me more angry is the fact that some sites likeabsolute poker hold thier servers in different college institutions , huh well u didnt think the networks were on the level .
dont know why but the network servers are all from like college places.