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How to play Jacks?

iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic
right this was late stages on thursday nights bh was about 28-30 left at this stage pick up JJ in sb with verry argo player raising on button .my question is should i call , fold, or shove? Thank You .p.s bb was playing verry tight trying to ladder
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
iBLUFF Small blind   1000.00 1000.00 40362.50
sarandy Big blind   2000.00 3000.00 8085.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
ajs82 Fold        
Jc0251 Fold        
dtm75 Fold        
PedagogBen Raise   6000.00 9000.00 99657.00
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited May 2011
    Has he raised the button every orbit for a while ?

    If so i'd be shoving here.

    Plus if you're shoving you don't have to worry about not having position anymore.


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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    Has he raised the button every orbit for a while ? If so i'd be shoving here. Plus if you're shoving you don't have to worry about not having position anymore.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    he had been rasing alot , this was one the first times he raised on the button though

    p.s he just took out a player the hand before i belive..

    pps. he had kings when he knocked the player out
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2011
    shove

    easy decision, if he turns over QQ+ shrug and hope to bink. Deffo reshove here to a button raise.

    If he's super aggro there's only ever one decision here IMO.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    shove easy decision, if he turns over QQ+ shrug and hope to bink. Deffo reshove here to a button raise. If he's super aggro there's only ever one decision here IMO.
    Posted by DeucesLive
    Thanks deuces , but dont you think theres any time you flat this and see what comes on the flop?
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    Its an easy shove imo. You play a higher level than me iBluff but if the flop comes with an overcard or two then what is plan B. You only have 20BB so i dont like the call. JJ at this stage is massive.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    Its an easy shove imo. You play a higher level than me iBluff but if the flop comes with an overcard or two then what is plan B. You only have 20BB so i dont like the call. JJ at this stage is massive.
    Posted by DrSharp

    yeh thats the problem i think in this situation as i know 100% hes gonna c bet any flop, but i have to say to myself  if it comes with a overcard im just going to go with it..ill post rest of hand in about a hour
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks? : yeh thats the problem i think in this situation as i know 100% hes gonna c bet any flop, but i have to say to myself  if it comes with a overcard im just going to go with it..ill post rest of hand in about a hour
    Posted by iBLUFF
    Why not go with it pre then? By calling are you not giving him a chance to see a flop? By shoving, you either take the pot or he calls and you should be ahead. You are real unlucky if he wakes up with a bigger PP. If he has two overcards then you are racing, anything else and you want him to call. Plus it smacks him back in his place. :-)
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks? : Why not go with it pre then? By calling are you not giving him a chance to see a flop? By shoving, you either take the pot or he calls and you should be ahead. You are real unlucky if he wakes up with a bigger PP. If he has two overcards then you are racing, anything else and you want him to call. Plus it smacks him back in his place. :-)
    Posted by DrSharp
    Fair enough well put, this is how the hand played out.. i flated pre flop AQ7 check check, turn brick he bet 7k i called (worse call ever by me) river A he bet 12k i called i muck JJ he shows AA for quads
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    p.s the river call left me with about 14k back i think , i done well all tourney and one hand i make 2 awfully loose calls and it costs me my tourney
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    thats my kinda luck. Just one of those things. I still think shoving pre is the way to go, just unlucky on this occasion. Would you play it the same way again?
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    thats my kinda luck. Just one of those things. I still think shoving pre is the way to go, just unlucky on this occasion. Would you play it the same way again?
    Posted by DrSharp

    no lol i wouldnt i know my three mistakes in the hand the flat pre i should of shoved, the call on turn i should of folded and same with the river
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  • Red_KingRed_King Member Posts: 2,850
    edited May 2011
    Just get it in pre, and see what happens.

    Had this situation twice in past few days, both times just on the bubble,
    shoved both times and got done by rag aces.

    Variance says it's my turn next, lol.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    Just get it in pre, and see what happens. Had this situation twice in past few days, both times just on the bubble, shoved both times and got done by rag aces. Variance says it's my turn next, lol.
    Posted by Red_King
    yeh thanks think shoving pre is the best decision here
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  • andybuckandybuck Member Posts: 652
    edited May 2011
    i have learnt over the years that JJ is my nightmare hand never seem to win and prob lost more with this hand than any that includes cash dym mtt,s sng ,SO IMO OPINION FOLD FOLD FOLD,,LOL
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    insta-shove similar to my sky roller hand ;)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    shove pre, fwiw I would shove a huge range pre in this spot

    you can flat if you are willing to stick it in on m,ost flops
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2011
    flatting is super risky because any Q/K/A hits his preflop range massively, and what are you then going to do? You figure he very likely has at least one, maybe two of the above cards but you have no idea which ones, you're out of position with no way of getting any information before you bet, and if you check you're opening yourself up to be outplayed when he c-bets.

    Unless the board comes down with a jack you're not gonna like it, so I just jam it in preflop. Folding is a tad on the tight side here.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    flatting is super risky because any Q/K/A hits his preflop range massively, and what are you then going to do? You figure he very likely has at least one, maybe two of the above cards but you have no idea which ones, you're out of position with no way of getting any information before you bet, and if you check you're opening yourself up to be outplayed when he c-bets. Unless the board comes down with a jack you're not gonna like it, so I just jam it in preflop. Folding is a tad on the tight side here.
    Posted by DeucesLive

    he plays 67. 89 suited the same though, as i said hes a verry loose player , but yeh shoulda shoved pre but still would of ran into quads whatever hapend :P
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited May 2011
    Shove or fold only. 

    Calling is awful, you're not deep enough to set mine.

    There are good arguments either way. I shove myself, if he folds that's fine, we pick up a useful pot and he might think twice before taking us on in future hands. If I'm racing against 2 overcards then so be it, you need to win some crucial races to win tournaments. If he turns over an overpair it's a cooler, even then you have a 1 in 5 chance of sucking out. 
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: How to play Jacks?:
    flatting is super risky because any Q/K/A hits his preflop range massively, and what are you then going to do? You figure he very likely has at least one, maybe two of the above cards but you have no idea which ones, you're out of position with no way of getting any information before you bet, and if you check you're opening yourself up to be outplayed when he c-bets. Unless the board comes down with a jack you're not gonna like it, so I just jam it in preflop. Folding is a tad on the tight side here.
    Posted by DeucesLive
    yeah flatting pre is risky, I prefer shoving, but if he raising really wide its an option as he'll fold lots to a shove and will cbet air a lot on flop. If we do it we have to be comitted to jamming all but the most ugly of boards
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