I do fully get what your saying, I just have a different opinion/approach.
Its funny how people accuse me of not listening. Its fine to state your opinion, but just because somebody doesnt see things in the exactly the same way doesnt make them wrong. There isnt only ONE way.
I have no problem if you disagree with me, I may be wrong, but I really think either you dont get what Im saying or cant express properly your own reasoning. Like you say you get no info if they flat your bet for info (?????) but state it inflated pot in a way that implies thats good, which implies to me you are really betting for value
firstly, fold pre. we are 65bbs deep and palying 8high oop vs a TAG just isnt going to be profitable. secondly, why are there 25p denomination chips in a .50/1 live game?!?!!?!?!?!? and finally, the thing that i find frustrating about some of the threads you post is that you post a hand, with quite minimal detail about opponents other than something like 'hes a TAG, im a TAG, everyone else is terrible'. then replies are posted based on the assumption that we dont have any reads or tells on him because none were given in the original post. you come back into the thread and say that you have reads on villain which mean you think he has XYZ hands only in his range. i dont think you will ever get good advice in the threads that you make unless you actually put your reads in the original post Posted by LOL_RAISE
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Also it's a shame these threads are turning into insulting threads or I am so good or he is so bad. Like a lot of people I come here to improve my game and listen to all opnions and get good advice from players playing profitable poker.
What I would say is to the original post is. Do not think all players think about the game the same as you. What may look like a good jam by you and it should be a easy fold for villian with the range you put him on. The villian may look upon it like ok i call or snap it, or with the line "Whatever I call"
If you try and figure out what is in there heads and how they play then you can make the right moves.
And if I am playing against a tag then I am not jamming with the hope they will be good enough to lay down a hand unless i have a big draw and it's more of a semi bluff. My read will have to be a massive soul read that this villian can lay down the hand I put him on. Infact a raise would look more like I have you beat rather than a desperate jam. Which is what villian did think you was just semi bluffing jamming.
Like i said share the knowledge we are not all Phil Ivey )
Yeah am always thinking what others motive/perceptions are. On this hand I was sat so shallow at that at that point I was happy to jam readless bud. Its just a habit for me to study and come to some kind of conclusion in my mind before taking any action. Ultimately I have 8 outs as long as no-one held nut straight. Pot size being what it is and opening bet being pot size I cant call fold, its got to be in on flop or out. The added advantafe being that supposed TAG still has 3 players left to act behind him, so should slim down his calling range. But either way pot size/equity I was happy putting my money in there. As it was I was in a great spot, the action actually protected my hand against and furthar action from stronger hands. I misses, reloaded and just about squeked out a profit.
I fully agree with you on some of these threads becoming insulting. I do realise that an element of that blame can be laid on me as I do think slightly unconventionally and take a different approach to many, where certain individuals dont like it and seem to think its ok to simply attack it. But one thing I will say is that all my arguments and counter points of view are well balanced, receptive (mostly) and mature. I have never (and will never) tell someone they are a bad player or simply wrong. I think people really do forget that there are many facets to the game, many levels many approaches. Some have accepted approaches others dont.
Key thing is that rarely do two of the worlds most successful players take the same line. Also that the game itself evolves, standards change and approaches have become cicular. So I do not think anyone has the right to attack anothers approach.
Before I went out last night I'd decided to be less drawn into it, that will be the case.
I think the point being the thread should not desend into an argument but it should merely be a light hearted discussion :P Specially as there are players here with varying skills, experience and knowledge in the game so there are going to be differant opnions.
There are generally a few ways to play a hand and thats what makes this game so argumentative. Some players see hands in a vacuum while other players just realise if you played that hand that way 100 times it just will not be profitable in the long term.
While you seem like a knowledgable player you may just have to drop the poker ego a bit and take on board what people say about the hands you post and not take it to heart.
No one likes hearing "You played the hand bad" but realising that you did will only make you a better player.
Your right in what you say, I am border line obsessvie compulsive and do read to much into things far to frequently, plus the issue of misinterpretation of written word.
As I said I accept I'm to blame for a portion of it and am trying to work on it
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Im not enjoying this banter cos you just dont get what Im saying at all.
Its funny how people accuse me of not listening. Its fine to state your opinion, but just because somebody doesnt see things in the exactly the same way doesnt make them wrong. There isnt only ONE way.
Im going to leave it at that, gl at the tables
Also it's a shame these threads are turning into insulting threads or I am so good or he is so bad.
Like a lot of people I come here to improve my game and listen to all opnions and get good advice from
players playing profitable poker.
What I would say is to the original post is. Do not think all players think about the game the same as you.
What may look like a good jam by you and it should be a easy fold for villian with the range you put him on.
The villian may look upon it like ok i call or snap it, or with the line "Whatever I call"
If you try and figure out what is in there heads and how they play then you can make the right moves.
And if I am playing against a tag then I am not jamming with the hope they will be good enough to lay down a hand unless i have a big draw and it's more of a semi bluff. My read will have to be a massive soul read that this villian can lay down the hand I put him on. Infact a raise would look more like I have you beat rather than a desperate jam. Which is what villian did think you was just semi bluffing jamming.
Like i said share the knowledge we are not all Phil Ivey )
I fully agree with you on some of these threads becoming insulting. I do realise that an element of that blame can be laid on me as I do think slightly unconventionally and take a different approach to many, where certain individuals dont like it and seem to think its ok to simply attack it. But one thing I will say is that all my arguments and counter points of view are well balanced, receptive (mostly) and mature. I have never (and will never) tell someone they are a bad player or simply wrong. I think people really do forget that there are many facets to the game, many levels many approaches. Some have accepted approaches others dont.
Key thing is that rarely do two of the worlds most successful players take the same line. Also that the game itself evolves, standards change and approaches have become cicular. So I do not think anyone has the right to attack anothers approach.
Before I went out last night I'd decided to be less drawn into it, that will be the case.
There are generally a few ways to play a hand and thats what makes this game so argumentative.
Some players see hands in a vacuum while other players just realise if you played that hand that way 100 times it just will not be profitable in the long term.
While you seem like a knowledgable player you may just have to drop the poker ego a bit and take on board what people say about the hands you post and not take it to heart.
No one likes hearing "You played the hand bad" but realising that you did will only make you a better player.
All the best
Your right in what you say, I am border line obsessvie compulsive and do read to much into things far to frequently, plus the issue of misinterpretation of written word.
As I said I accept I'm to blame for a portion of it and am trying to work on it