The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8)

The_Don90

Ok after some discussion with some fellow low stake players ive decided to start a thread purley aimed at the low stakes. Now this doesnt mean high stake players cant comment but it will only feature NL4 and NL8 hands. No bad beats please keep that for A51 and BBV.

Ok so ill start with a fairly standard NL4 hand.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.32
	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.42
	Your hole cards	Q Q
	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.66
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.34	£3.94
	Call		£0.24	£0.58	£4.56
	Call		£0.24	£0.82	£3.60
	Call		£0.22	£1.04	£3.10
	Fold
	Call		£0.20	£1.24	£3.46
Flop
		2 A 4
	Check
	Check
The_Don90	Check
	Bet		£0.68	£1.92	£3.88
	Call		£0.68	£2.60	£2.92
	Fold
	Fold
The_Don90	Fold
Turn
		5
	Bet		£0.80	£3.40	£3.08
	All-in		£2.92	£6.32	£0.00
	Call		£2.12	£8.44	£0.96
	Show	5 5
	Show	A 3
River
		6
	Win	Straight to the 6	£7.80		£7.80

As stated this is fairly standard. Should i be raising more pre? And is it fair to just check fold flop?

The_Don90

Another pretty standard one should i be going for value here on this kind of board?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
oynutter	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£1.86
	Your hole cards	A A
x	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£2.53
damian1972	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.28	£3.99
dugboy25	Fold
oynutter	Fold
x	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£2.37
Flop
		8 4 6
x	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.33	£0.77	£3.66
x	Call		£0.33	£1.10	£2.04
Turn
		8
x	Bet		£0.55	£1.65	£1.49
The_Don90	Call		£0.55	£2.20	£3.11
River
		7
x	Bet		£1.10	£3.30	£0.39
The_Don90	Call		£1.10	£4.40	£2.01
x	Show	A 3
The_Don90	Show	A A
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 8s	£4.07		£6.08

YOUNG_GUN

I like the thread!

Hand 1) i would bet out on the flop you have raised pre and most people probably fold unless they have the ace, if called then i'd shut down turn and river

hand 2) Bet more flop, re-raise and put him in on turn, also whats the point in just flatting in the end he has 40p whether your good or not just put him in you blouse

beeasyonme

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Another pretty standard one should i be going for value here on this kind of board? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance oynutter Big blind   £0.04 £0.04 £1.86   Your hole cards A A       x Call   £0.04 £0.08 £2.53 damian1972 Fold         The_Don90 Raise   £0.20 £0.28 £3.99 dugboy25 Fold         oynutter Fold         x Call   £0.16 £0.44 £2.37 Flop     8 4 6       x Check         The_Don90 Bet   £0.33 £0.77 £3.66 x Call   £0.33 £1.10 £2.04 Turn     8       x Bet   £0.55 £1.65 £1.49 The_Don90 Call   £0.55 £2.20 £3.11 River     7       x Bet   £1.10 £3.30 £0.39 The_Don90 Call   £1.10 £4.40 £2.01 x Show A 3       The_Don90 Show A A       The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 8s £4.07   £6.08
Posted by The_Don90

hand 1 is fine, hand two pot size raise flop and the turn and shove the river, as played you still should of raised the river as there was only 39p in it anyway. Im not sure there needs to be a small stakes thread in the clinic though we all use the simple set up how it is and everyone appears to be happy with it

tapeworm

Hand 1) - I am 1000000000000% checking this flop with an ace on the board. There is no way in a month of sundays someone does not have an Ace with that many callers here. A raise here, in my experience always induces a call....hes not going away, what are you doing on the turn? fire another, hes not going away is he? Hes got top pair....which is the nuts of course. Check fold, grumble quietly at the unfairness of it all, and make a note.

2) played fine but I would jam the turn

TINTIN

hand 1 im check folding the flop, theres no way after getting 4 callers to ur preflop raise that the ace hasnt paired

hand 2 played it ok, without knowing who it is, i dont mind flatting the turn but i set him all in for his last 39p after he bets river, why did he leave that behind if he had the 8?

walesboy

Hand 1 - you are near enough first to act  -the pre flop raise is fine. 4 callers! then i'm definately check folding once the ace comes down as guaranteed at least one of them has an ace.
Hand 2 - pre fine, I'd pot bet the flop and maybe reraise on turn

N1CK

N1CK	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.66
Cannon223	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.48
harpo359	Sit out
	Your hole cards	Q A
Rainy1	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.35
lukinmyiii	Fold
F-B-I	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.86
N1CK	Raise		£0.14	£0.28	£4.52
Cannon223	Fold
Rainy1	Fold
F-B-I	Call		£0.12	£0.40	£1.74
Flop
		3 4 4
N1CK	Bet		£0.24	£0.64	£4.28
F-B-I	Call		£0.24	£0.88	£1.50
Turn
		Q
N1CK	Bet		£0.66	£1.54	£3.62
F-B-I	Call		£0.66	£2.20	£0.84
River
		A

DOHHHHHHH

Bet 83p to induce a shove

N1CK

they all seem pretty bad, pre flop pretty standard could of opened more? cbet seems ok? should i v-bet river or slow down coz flush scares me?

i had been getting good cards in early pos and was opening a fair bit in late pos, i started off iso raising to 20p but everyone folds so reduced it to 16 but still folding, was nice to get free money pre but i wanted action and to play streets so opened smaller

YOUNG_GUN

Bet more pre, I prob give up on flop if im honest

River they have 84p behind so bet that

N1CK

In Response to Re: The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8):

Bet more pre, I prob give up on flop if im honest River they have 84p behind so bet that
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

why more pre? coz two limpers and im oop? would you not bet flop? i expected to have the best hand and i expected him to call with worse lol

N1CK

this guys limps big hands and plays them very slow and trappy but he did limp/3bet shove hand privious with j4 and got lucky, whats the best thing for me to do?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
N1CK	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.44
swinian	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.42
	Your hole cards	9 9
harpo359	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.51
lukinmyiii	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.75
N1CK	Raise		£0.16	£0.30	£5.28
swinian	Fold
harpo359	Call		£0.14	£0.44	£2.37
lukinmyiii	All-in		£1.75	£2.19	£0.00

N1CK

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
lukinmyiii	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.93
N1CK	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.37
	Your hole cards	J A
swinian	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.46
harpo359	Fold
lukinmyiii	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£0.91
N1CK	Raise		£0.12	£0.24	£6.25
swinian	Fold
lukinmyiii	All-in		£0.91	£1.15	£0.00
N1CK	Call		£0.79	£1.94	£5.46
lukinmyiii	Show	J 4
N1CK	Show	J A
Flop
		4 3 Q
Turn
		Q
River
		K
lukinmyiii	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 4s	£1.79		£1.79

TINTIN

aq hand first, i make it 26p, but kowing this level they call thats why im hating ak, aq in the blinds just now, dont mind the c bet on flop but once i hit q on turn i would quite poss go allin here, its unreal what people will call a shove with that u beat, and it includes flush draws n middle pairs.

99 hand, took a lot of looking at to realise u were in sb, for me i do not raise pre here, u will get called, set mine with it, not a lot of flops u want to see that u like, think of them as 2s, i think ur ahead of this guy but im not sue about the call, uv still someone to act behind u that makes it an easier fold even tho i dont think the bb has much

TINTIN

now i see ur 3rd hand i can see where the problem lies, u are raising OOP at NL4 with marginal hands

N1CK

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now i see ur 3rd hand i can see where the problem lies, u are raising OOP at NL4 with marginal hands
Posted by TINTIN

what problem? should i just check then and why would that be best?

TINTIN

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In Response to Re: The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8) : what problem? should i just check then and why would that be best?
Posted by N1CK

i will forget about aq coz i have been playing it similarly, but you are almost gauranteed callers when raising from the blinds at this level, people are not willing to let go of hands so why raise with marginal hands and inflate the pot. 

forget the opponents action in those hands and think to urself what you are trying to achieve by raising, what ur plan should u miss n see bad flops,

what happens when ur 99 flops 2 overcards. whats ur plan then, c bet n get called, remember people will call down light on this level. (2nd pair no kicker, gutshot,etc)

what hapens when when u raise and get flat called with aj and u miss the board, same as above.

remember its easier to play these in position once you have seen ur opponents actions on the streets. allows you to decide how strong they are.

N1CK

In Response to Re: The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8):

In Response to Re: The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8) : i will forget about aq coz i have been playing it similarly, but you are almost gauranteed callers when raising from the blinds at this level, people are not willing to let go of hands so why raise with marginal hands and inflate the pot.  forget the opponents action in those hands and think to urself what you are trying to achieve by raising, what ur plan should u miss n see bad flops, what happens when ur 99 flops 2 overcards. whats ur plan then, c bet n get called, remember people will call down light on this level. (2nd pair no kicker, gutshot,etc) what hapens when when u raise and get flat called with aj and u miss the board, same as above. remember its easier to play these in position once you have seen ur opponents actions on the streets. allows you to decide how strong they are.
Posted by TINTIN

some quite good advice

AMYBR

Got to be honest Nick, very surprised to see you play 2/4p.  Kind of clears up some things.

TINTIN

In Response to Re: The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8):

In Response to Re: The low stake cash clinic thread. (NL4/NL8) : some quite good advice
Posted by N1CK

the main thing to remeber is its NL4,play more ABC, you have to keep bluffing to a min and its a **** of a lot easier if u are on the button and should you hit then its value betting all the way, i will try to find some examples of this for you