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can you ever fold here

BENDOG40BENDOG40 Member Posts: 80
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
playing a 10 seat 25/50 game villian is a good reg but also can bet big on scare cards i think i go all in in this spot with a 6  but can i really fold aaa66 here advice please i have to check that flop with aaa i think nobody calls a bet there

ActionCardsAmountPotBalanceFL0WTIGHTSmall blind £0.25£0.25£192.25YogiTheDogBig blind £0.50£0.75£67.21 Your hole cardsAA   BENDOG40Raise £2.00£2.75£45.12CCIncFold    D_WinnerFold    unleashedFold    scotty77Call £2.00£4.75£48.00reademFold     Call £2.00£6.75£62.08death666Fold    FL0WTIGHTCall £1.75£8.50£190.50YogiTheDogCall £1.50£10.00£65.71Flop  6A2   FL0WTIGHTCheck    YogiTheDogCheck    bendog40Check    scotty77Check     Check    Turn  6   FL0WTIGHTCheck    YogiTheDogCheck    BENDOG40Bet £5.00£15.00£40.12scotty77Fold     Call £5.00£20.00£57.08FL0WTIGHTFold    YogiTheDogCall £5.00£25.00£60.71River  6   YogiTheDogCheck    BENDOG40Check     All-in £57.08£82.08£0.00YogiTheDogFold    <
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited June 2011
    losing to 1 card only... i dont even know why you've checked unless you were intending to trap in which case I don't know why this hand is posted since you got what you wanted.. Alot of people could be doing this with any Ax thinking they have the nuts.
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  • hurst05hurst05 Member Posts: 1,567
    edited June 2011
    always bet your hands, whether youve flopped a monster or flopped a bag of spanners. stops people getting reads and builds the pot. plus if they have something they will come along anyway, if not its unlikely they will improve enough on the turn to continue in the hand even with you giving them a free card. hard to see what he would be jamming here other than the 6, theres only 1 ace left out there and why would he overbet jam like this, hes never going to be called by a hand he beats. grim spot. i assume you posted this because you called and he had the 6 in which case ul. but its definately a blubbering fold for me.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    pre is good

    bet flop

    bet turn bigger

    bet river

    snap river shove
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    No you cant fold in this spot ever, worse FH will still shove likely

    pre= Fine
    Flop= i dont think a check is bad here, sometimes i would bet it though
    turn= i'd bet more £7.50 or £8
    river= i would not check because you havent built the pot, bet 50-75% pot for value and snap and shove
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited June 2011

    As nitty as i can be, i can never ever fold this hand. It has got to be the winning hand most of the time so it has to be a +ve call does'nt it?


    Cant be results orientated, its got to be good more than 50% of the time.

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can you ever fold here:
    As nitty as i can be, i can never ever fold this hand. It has got to be the winning hand most of the time so it has to be a +ve call does'nt it? Cant be results orientated, its got to be good more than 95% of the time.
    Posted by DrSharp
    FYP
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can you ever fold here:
    In Response to Re: can you ever fold here : FYP
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    not really.

    only 1 ace left in the deck and only 1 six left in the deck.

    personally I'd never fold I don't know how you did it Bendog! 

    I know the villain sometimes posts on the forums so hopefully he can come along and help us out!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylIhQPsHZwg&feature=related
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    Bet every street and never fold.
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  • hurst05hurst05 Member Posts: 1,567
    edited June 2011
    how is it ever good though really. surely he checks any other pp behind as he has showdown value. i actually think he has a 6 here. like scotty says same chance of him having a 6 in this hand as him having an ace. i just think if he has an ace the hand plays out differently, unless villain is always this passive with tp on a relatively dry board.

    played out like he has the 6, check flop with a pair, just flat when you catch trips, shove for value on the river hoping your opponent has an ace.
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  • pryce6pryce6 Member Posts: 1,058
    edited June 2011
    as hard as it is, this is a fold unless villain is a douche
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  • CrazyBen23CrazyBen23 Member Posts: 865
    edited June 2011

    In Response to Re: can you ever fold here:
    as hard as it is, this is a fold unless villain is a douche
    Posted by pryce6
    He says villian is a good reg so +1
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    you gotta stack here surely.......can this ever be a -ev over time?
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  • hurst05hurst05 Member Posts: 1,567
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can you ever fold here:
    you gotta stack here surely.......can this ever be a -ev over time?
    Posted by tapeworm
    over time a 'good reg' will never be making this play with anything other than a 6 in his hand. im certain he wouldnt jam with an ace, silly imo. and its doubtful hes bluffing here because of the way the hand played out, he hasnt set him up to bluff him, and its not a great board to attempt a bluff on. could be wrong though obv. bendog is going to have to be right making this call such a large % of the time for it to be a profitable long term. 


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  • 5toneFace5toneFace Member Posts: 246
    edited June 2011
    FML why would u ever check the river. If your checking to induce a bluff from missed flush draws, you have to call. I think a good reg is defo capable of shoving a missed flush draw, it doesnt look like anyone else has got anything, so good spot to take the pot. 

    Also Hurst, why would jamming an ace be silly? First off, if you got an ace, chances of someone have AA is so unlikey, and even more unlikely when its been checked to you, nobody should ever be checking AA on the river :S . If they suspect that you could be doing it with missed flush draws, you might get heroed by worse fullhouses. 

    and a 6 reraises the turn some of the time.

    edit: actually thinking about it, jamming an ace isnt the best. Nothing can call that you beat. A normal bet is the better option
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    lol at folding

    if villain is good reg he raises 6 on turn a decent % of time

    there are more As than 6s in his range

    he likes to bluff scare cards, and no one has shown any strength

    people will  sometimes call with worse boats than an A, so he can bet Ax for value, also some players mught fold the split (not many though)
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited June 2011
    hen i first skimmed this HH I thought that the villain open shoved

    now that i've read it properly and you checked river you can never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever fold
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2011

    i think you need to bet the river.  if he shoves over your river raise then the decision is a lot easier.  i think you played it fine until the river and it looks like you have been ridiculously unlucky.

    if you check then i think you have to call.

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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2011

    just noticed there are 3 players on the river so if he has just an ace it is unlikely to be scooping the whole pot...a good reg will know this which imo makes it a smaller part of their range

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  • Ozzie08Ozzie08 Member Posts: 963
    edited June 2011

    Hey Mr dog i had AJ the second best hand after 7-2 off obv

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