That seems out of order to me, tbh. Posted by DannyMcs
Its definitely out of order.
How can sky justify showing cards to a player in a hand that didnt go to showdown? I'm not having a go at you Ben, but the fact that you can just go in and ask for info that no other players have access to and be given it is redic.
In Response to Re: can you ever fold here : Its definitely out of order. How can sky justify showing cards to a player in a hand that didnt go to showdown? I'm not having a go at you Ben, but the fact that you can just go in and ask for info that no other players have access to and be given it is redic. Posted by grantorino
When i asked to see this hand it was due to a request from sky poker to show this on the poker clinic to which i agreed so i was in my mind letting sky show a hand with me getting owned ie folding the best hand.When i agreed to this i asked if they would like to wait till i was on the show again expecting to be shown folding the best hand,as ozzie had posted he had aj (porkie) so when they looked at he hand with me it was going on the show but as it was 10 handed they said the software was only set up for 6 handed games.So its ok for me to get laughed at showing my tight fold if he did have aj like he posted but OUT OF ORDER TO LOOK AT THE HAND COME ON GUYS
Yeh its one hand and the player concerned hasn't even posted an objection so let's all get over it - not like you can just phone em up and request to see an opponents cards on every hand
In Response to Re: can you ever fold here : When i asked to see this hand it was due to a request from sky poker to show this on the poker clinic to which i agreed so i was in my mind letting sky show a hand with me getting owned ie folding the best hand.When i agreed to this i asked if they would like to wait till i was on the show again expecting to be shown folding the best hand,as ozzie had posted he had aj (porkie) so when they looked at he hand with me it was going on the show but as it was 10 handed they said the software was only set up for 6 handed games.So its ok for me to get laughed at showing my tight fold if he did have aj like he posted but OUT OF ORDER TO LOOK AT THE HAND COME ON GUYS Posted by BENDOG40
Sky can show the hand on tv and we'll all go lol he folded a boat, or wow thats the best fold ever. That info is out there for everyone. Its different when a person gets info that no one else gets, which is what happened here. I think its out of order. It may be a once off, but it certainly makes me wonder who can access what hand histories. If you think its ok that you get to see ozzies hand I completely disagree with you.
Fwiw I dont think there was any bad intent on your part, and the whole thing may be some sort of mistake, but you shouldnt get to see hands unless they go out on tv.
In Response to Re: can you ever fold here : Sky can show the hand on tv and we'll all go lol he folded a boat, or wow thats the best fold ever. That info is out there for everyone. Its different when a person gets info that no one else gets, which is what happened here. I think its out of order. It may be a once off, but it certainly makes me wonder who can access what hand histories. If you think its ok that you get to see ozzies hand I completely disagree with you. Fwiw I dont think there was any bad intent on your part, and the whole thing may be some sort of mistake, but you shouldnt get to see hands unless they go out on tv. Posted by grantorino
You dont get this do you it was going out on tv untill they noticed while reviewing the hand it was a 10 seater so if it had been a 6 seater it was on and i would along with everybody have seen the whole cards so tell me what the difference is here i dont know what you are getting at ?
Wow thats pretty bad...... how can they privately show you somebody else hand.... I play thousands of hands with Team Sky Players and I don't particulary like the idea they can get access to my hands for information behind closed doors..
If they knew it was a 10 seater when they pulled it off the System, then obviously they should not have shown you, not carry on and let you see the hand, knowing full well it was not going to be shown to the whole of Sky through their channel.
It may have been a genuine mistake, its still not good enough.
It opens up a lot of questions though. Who has access to the hand histories? Can guests just ask them to throw any hand up? Can whoever puts them up for the TV show look at whatever hand they want at any time? Its a serious issue and there needs to be very strict protocols, ie as few people as possible seeing hand before it goes onvtv and also no hand should be pulled up (by anyone) unless it is certain to be broadcast. Maybe this is what happens but doesnt sound like it
ok guys for the last time i will tell it as it happened,sky emailed me to ask if i would mind this hand being shown on the poker clinic as i had posted it and it got a lot of debate.I agreed to this then asked if they would prefer to show this when i was on last sat sky said fine.I took the hand history id with me and the hand was looked up in front of me to confirm this was indeed the correct hand so i had to see this to confirm it was only then they said ah sorry cant show 10 seater hands on tv.SO IF THIS WAS A 6 SEATER I WAS ALLWAYS GOING TO SEE THE HAND AND WHY IS THIS SO WRONG WHEN SKY ASKED ME IF THEY COULD SHOW IT u cant think i just walked in and said show me this hand,no wrong doing by me or sky just a 10 seater not a 6 seater .IF THIS HAND WAS 6 SEATER AND WAS SHOWN ON TV ARE YOU STILL SAYING THIS IS WRONG MAY AS WELL NOT SHOW ANY HANDS ON TV I GIVE UP
If the hand goes out on tv everyone can see the hand there is no problem
There is a problem if certain players get to view hand histories and see peoples hole cards if the hand didnt go to showdown. Whoever gets to see the cards gets extra info that is not available to other players. That is clearly unacceptable in my eyes, and it shouldnt happen. Players need to be able to trust sky to uphold the integrity of the game, and protecting their hand histories is part of this
I accept it may have been a mistake, however thats still not acceptable, and I cant believe you cant see why people might have a problem with this
You should of not seen the full hand history until everybody else got to see it on TV. They should not have showed it to you beforehand. It was entirely improper of them to do so.
You should of not seen the full hand history until everybody else got to see it on TV. They should not have showed it to you beforehand. It was entirely improper of them to do so. Posted by BrownnDog
+1 They should of said ok lets confirm the hand id without showing hole cards. Then they should of told you when it will be aired and you watch it on the TV. Was this a TV table ? If it was not then they would need to ask every player on the table before they aired the hand.
GRANTORINO I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT PLAYERS SHOULD NOT SEE HOLE CARDS 100% BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO PUT ACROSS IS SKY NEEDED ME TO CONFIRM THE HAND SHOWN TO ME WAS THE HAND IN QUESTION AND AS YOU KNOW 95% OF HANDS ON SKY ARE 6 HANDED SO SKY SHOWING ME THIS HAND TO CONFIRM IS 95% OF THE TIME GOING TO AIR.ALSO I HAVE WATCHED THE SKY POKER CLINIC A FEW TIMES WHERE PLAYERS HAVE E- MAILED IN ASKING TO SEE A HAND NOT KNOWING THE HOLE CARDS AND THEY HAVE BEEN SHOWN THE RESULT DONT KNOW IF THAY WERE ON MASTER CASH TABLES OR PLAYERS INVOLVED AGREED TO SHOW BUT THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS DO YOU THINK IM GOING TO OWN OZZIE NOW AS I SEEN THIS ONE HAND AND AT THE TIME I NEW HE HAD THE 6 THATS WHY I FOLDED AAA66 TO QUADS WE PLAY ON 25/50 TABLES GUYS AM I A BETTER PLAYER FOR SEEING HIS HOLE CARDS NO I FOLDED !!!!!!!!!!! AT THE TIME
Why couldnt they just look at the OP and see the hand for themselves?? and then they could compare the hand of the id you gave them and the hand in the OP.
Am I not right in saying only TV tables can be shown on TV anyway? I always thought this, but never actually paid any attension if this is true.
The worrying thing is, if you could do this by accident. How do we know other people dont do this on purpose?
Edit: Ive just seen your actual post (that got deleted) so can see you never gave them an ID. It still wouldnt have been hard to check whether it was the right hand. Could just look at the the thread. I guess the person who was looking for it was just lazy. Or he was just as dumb as you. Keep mouth shut ftw!!
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How can sky justify showing cards to a player in a hand that didnt go to showdown? I'm not having a go at you Ben, but the fact that you can just go in and ask for info that no other players have access to and be given it is redic.
Fwiw I dont think there was any bad intent on your part, and the whole thing may be some sort of mistake, but you shouldnt get to see hands unless they go out on tv.
ozzie has a right to not have whether he was bluffing or not told to you so the next time a similar situation occurs, you dont know what he had
That is absolutely extraordinary and disgusting. I can’t express strongly enough just how unethical and wrong that is; it is akin to cheating.
Sky Poker has acted against their own Terms and Conditions in this instance.
EDIT: ok maybe I over reacted a little. But it is still really bad.
I doubt they meant to give details of the hand if they were not going to show it.
Ben's explanation seems fair to me. I doubt Ozzie is that bothered anyway.
It opens up a lot of questions though. Who has access to the hand histories? Can guests just ask them to throw any hand up? Can whoever puts them up for the TV show look at whatever hand they want at any time? Its a serious issue and there needs to be very strict protocols, ie as few people as possible seeing hand before it goes onvtv and also no hand should be pulled up (by anyone) unless it is certain to be broadcast. Maybe this is what happens but doesnt sound like it
If the hand goes out on tv everyone can see the hand there is no problem
There is a problem if certain players get to view hand histories and see peoples hole cards if the hand didnt go to showdown. Whoever gets to see the cards gets extra info that is not available to other players. That is clearly unacceptable in my eyes, and it shouldnt happen. Players need to be able to trust sky to uphold the integrity of the game, and protecting their hand histories is part of this
I accept it may have been a mistake, however thats still not acceptable, and I cant believe you cant see why people might have a problem with this
Then they should of told you when it will be aired and you watch it on the TV.
Was this a TV table ? If it was not then they would need to ask every player on the table before they aired the hand.