I understand jenny that you used to play full time, so quite frankly I am staggered that you were unware this was cheating.
In rentisdue's case this was not the odd occasion. Earlier he said he was playing and she was watching, now in his latest post he says she was playing while he was out of the room. I saw the deleted post and I know what it said; she played over a 2 month period and whilst he wasn't there.
They ain't doing this on PS:
PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PS for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PS and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto. A User may only have one account with PS's and shall only use the Service using such single account. Furthermore a User shall not permit another person to use the Service via his account.
Can't see any reason for this thread to be pulled. It shouldn't and I dare say it wont be. Best record my latest figures just incase tho! It does happen all the time, and I'm very surprised how many people aren't even aware of it. But when it happens at 50nl+ where ppl are playing for a living it obv becomes more serious. Anyway, mods don't close this thread, there's nowt wrong with it. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
All in all dohhh i would say that this type of thing is impossible to police, who can ever know who is on someone elses account unless your actually in the room where they are playing ? unless they are going to look at a ip address and see who is playing where etc but even then brothers/sisters and family could say they were staying at each others homes.
I think i heard on the show one night that even stein was in the room when his wife/girlfriend won the 400,000.000 hand and that when she was interviewed on tv and they asked what happened she even said stein was shouting at her GO ALL IN, GO ALL IN no wonder though lol and she did have AA tbf but that could also go down as collusion in some circles if we are going to nitpick at things.
The way i see it if rent had said nothing about teaching his girlfriend then nobody would be any the wiser so the fact he did say something should prove he did it in all innocence.
Post your profits btw, afterall thats what this thread was for
I understand jenny that you used to play full time, so quite frankly I am staggered that you were unware this was cheating. In rentisdue's case this was not the odd occasion. Earlier he said he was playing and she was watching, now in his latest post he says she was playing while he was out of the room. I saw the deleted post and I know what it said; she played over a 2 month period and whilst he wasn't there. They ain't doing this on PS: PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PS for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PS and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto. A User may only have one account with PS's and shall only use the Service using such single account. Furthermore a User shall not permit another person to use the Service via his account. Posted by stien
I understand what your saying stein but if he was up to no good then surely he wouldnt have mentioned it and just carried on ? common sense should tell you that.
And from my side of things ive got to be honest and say it didnt even occur to me that when i let my brother play a few mtts on here that i was doing anything wrong and i also think it was the same for rent because he was just looking at it as learning his gf how to play and like he said it cost him money doing it.
Also out of all of the times rent let his gf play on acc how many were at £100nl or above because from what i read they were few and far between.
well stopped the rot a bit up £1.37. so for month £26.93 points 799 would have been so much better if my KK hadn't run into A10 who 2 paird on flop (I had trips) but A on river put paid to it. BI gone just like that. variance still hurts- was only hand that could beat me! ah well good luck all
In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : All in all dohhh i would say that this type of thing is impossible to police, who can ever know who is on someone elses account unless your actually in the room where they are playing ? unless they are going to look at a ip address and see who is playing where etc but even then brothers/sisters and family could say they were staying at each others homes. I think i heard on the show one night that even stein was in the room when his wife/girlfriend won the 400,000.000 hand and that when she was interviewed on tv and they asked what happened she even said stein was shouting at her GO ALL IN, GO ALL IN no wonder though lol and she did have AA tbf but that could also go down as collusion in some circles if we are going to nitpick at things. The way i see it if rent had said nothing about teaching his girlfriend then nobody would be any the wiser so the fact he did say something should prove he did it in all innocence. Post your profits btw, afterall thats what this thread was for Very best of luck. Jenny.x. Posted by jenny_IYY
Wow talk about clutching at straws lol. Oh and please feel free to listen to BOTH my interviews again and you'll find I said no such thing, if we are going to nitpick at things!
In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Wow talk about clutching at straws lol. Oh and please feel free to listen to BOTH my interviews again and you'll find I said no such thing, if we are going to nitpick at things! Jane x Posted by suedehead7
That was a quick reply Jane your not in the same house as stein are you and sharing info ? lol
Just kidding before it kicks off again ))
BTW i did say I THINK i heard it, may well have been one of the presenters saying stein would be shouting it etc etc but my point is ANYONE could be cheating and helping each other in mtts stts or cash and nobody would be any the wiser, afterall if a low stakes player got to the final table of a MTT and had a player with more experiance in the same house as them how many of those low stakes players wouldnt ask for a bit of advice ?.
BTW are you self taught at poker or did stein let you watch him play ))
In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Wow talk about clutching at straws lol. Oh and please feel free to listen to BOTH my interviews again and you'll find I said no such thing, if we are going to nitpick at things! Jane x Posted by suedehead7
Yes, Jenny is correct, that was said:
"As the hand numbers clicked upwards towards 400m, then to her amazement mrs stein realises the hand number displayed on her screen is 400,000,000, looking down she has AA, UTG moves all in, I'm screaming "go all in" - like she needed me telling her" ~ Stein, In the "Congrats Mrs Stein" thread.
In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Yes, Jenny is correct, that was said: "As the hand numbers clicked upwards towards 400m, then to her amazement mrs stein realises the hand number displayed on her screen is 400,000,000, looking down she has AA, UTG moves all in, I'm screaming "go all in" - like she needed me telling her" ~ Stein, In the "Congrats Mrs Stein" thread. Posted by Poker_Fail
COLLUSION ALERT !
People in glass house etc etc
But in all fairness it is nothing and imo so is rent teaching his girlfriend ))
Ok I might as well chip in to this debate, can't sleep anyway. I missed the original post but I don't think it takes Mr S Holmes to get the gist of it.
1) This is my opinion but it's an opinion grown from many years experience. Your account is for you and you only to play on. No one else should ever log into your account and play as you, no one should ever take over from you at a cash table or in a tournament. When it comes to teaching/advising someone who is playing on their own account I think we have hit a massive grey area of the modern internet game. Across many sites people use teamview, Skype, MSN or in an old fashioned way sit in the same room talking about each others' games. Talking/advising about action in a hand in progress is in the grey area towards wrong for me. Consistently doing this during a MTT/Cash session is over the line wrong. Even more of a grey area is teaching during a MTT/Cash session but not about hands in progress. It is still two players working out patterns and lines rather than one and so this is still technically wrong.
2) There's been a lot of calling people 'cheats' and 'cheating' from what I can see in the thread. I will not do that at this point but I do advise everyone reading this in future to not let anyone use their account in the future. This is a benefit of the doubt moment. I take this very seriously, and personally I view many of the grey area situations as cheating. I personally do not think in game training is correct and proper. I'm all for post session group reviews and hand analysis, but one of the oldest rules in the game is 'One Player to a hand.' When the cards are dealt you and you alone should be the ones to look at them.
3) Don't be naive. This happens a lot. I would say a huge amount of players across all sites have let someone take over their tournament for 20 minutes or so when something has come up. Many have let other people play whole tournaments. I had a blazing row with a close friend years ago (non-Sky Player but he was, at the time, a poker pro) for letting his girlfriend play on his account. There are several high profile cases and allegations of this (Google if you are interested). Even more people have had in game training sessions. Many people on this forum or on 865 have let slip/alluded to either more than one person on an account or in game partnering up. In my opinion it is wrong but it is rife and you have to deal with it.
4) There have been a few comments towards the personal in this thread. Please stop that at once, it only makes you look silly. I'm going to out myself now. I like Stein. Always got on well with him on the virtual table. I also like RentisDue and Jenny. Hey, I pretty much like and get on well with everyone. But the name calling is not likeable. Also the rounding on one person is not likeable. And biting the most obvious of flame baiting belittles yourself. Cease now if you would be so kind.
In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : COLLUSION ALERT ! People in glass house etc etc But in all fairness it is nothing and imo so is rent teaching his girlfriend )) Now im def off to sleep. gn jenny.x. Posted by jenny_IYY
Jenny i'm going to SHOUT so you get it,
SHE PLAYED ON HIS ACCOUNT FOR TWO MONTHS
HE WASN'T IN THE ROOM, YOU CAN'T TEACH SOMEONE WHEN YOU'RE NOT THERE.
I played her this morning for over an hour, she didn't reload BECAUSE HE WASN'T THERE for over an hour at least, how long does it take him to make a brew??
I take my hat off to Pryce, Chirpy chip, Hurst05 and browndog for posting despite the fact I was involved, that they did should tell you everything. Finally thank you Zing, I thought I was going mad until you posted.
It's just not cricket is it !! Seriously let them set up there own account lol - One player - one hand - one account anything else is just not right, don't matter how you want to dress it up If you wasn't aware of the rules and you wasn't meant to be misleading then that doesn't change the fact that it's not right
The biggest problem in having a secound player on your account is it gives out false information about the way you play PERIOD END OF FULL STOP THE END -
And I can't beleive Sky would say it's ok as it goes against T&C's surely
You seem like an honest guy Rent & Jenny because if you knew you was doing wrong then you wouldn't be so stupid to post it on a public forum - would you ?
Maybe common sense will previal in this case, let this be a warning to all
Still sucking at MTTs this month. The cash is doing ok, going to concentrate on DYMs for a bit, haven't played them properly for a couple of months at least.
Tommy_D, the voice of reason as per ever. You really want to think about employing this boy Sky. Posted by bandini
We couldn't afford him.
Seriously though, TommyD has nailed the sentiment to what is obviously a heated subject amongst you. As for the official Sky line on this, as Machka says it has been raised for the attention of Sky Poker management who will either post on here or PM/contact the players concerned directly, depending on what they deem the best way to handle it.
Let's keep this thread on topic and feel free to PM me directly if you have any other questions around some of the 'off-topic' content on this thread.
she has probably cost me a good few hundred quid while trying and yes stein i havnt always been looking over her shoulder otherwise she wouldnt have cost me so much but from time to time you need to go to toilet or make a cuppa Posted by rentisdue
you already admitted in your orignal post before you edited like stien said this has been going on for 1 or 2 months so it's hardly just when you get a cup of tea or go to the toilet.
the fact you say it's cost you money numerous times in your replies cannot be quantified in the slightest, more likely is the fact your gf has made bad plays which regs have watched and noted and consequently wrongly made plays vs the real you which has in turn made you money in spots where if they knew your proper ranges they wouldn't dream of doing a certain play.
this should not stop being discussed and should really have it's own topic so all the sky regs are aware of what you've done and can re assess certain notes they may have on you which all now come into question of validility.
Bit better atm managed to win a couple of buy-ins at nl10 so losses now down to £55 ish
Date & TimeProductDescriptionAmountHeld FundsPlatformDetail26 Oct '11 at 12:48PokerMaster Cash 2£10.25£0.00AHand History26 Oct '11 at 10:33PokerAshurst£13.30£0.00A
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All in all dohhh i would say that this type of thing is impossible to police, who can ever know who is on someone elses account unless your actually in the room where they are playing ? unless they are going to look at a ip address and see who is playing where etc but even then brothers/sisters and family could say they were staying at each others homes.
I think i heard on the show one night that even stein was in the room when his wife/girlfriend won the 400,000.000 hand and that when she was interviewed on tv and they asked what happened she even said stein was shouting at her GO ALL IN, GO ALL IN no wonder though lol and she did have AA tbf but that could also go down as collusion in some circles if we are going to nitpick at things.
The way i see it if rent had said nothing about teaching his girlfriend then nobody would be any the wiser so the fact he did say something should prove he did it in all innocence.
Post your profits btw, afterall thats what this thread was for
Very best of luck.
Jenny.x.
I understand what your saying stein but if he was up to no good then surely he wouldnt have mentioned it and just carried on ? common sense should tell you that.
And from my side of things ive got to be honest and say it didnt even occur to me that when i let my brother play a few mtts on here that i was doing anything wrong and i also think it was the same for rent because he was just looking at it as learning his gf how to play and like he said it cost him money doing it.
Also out of all of the times rent let his gf play on acc how many were at £100nl or above because from what i read they were few and far between.
up £1.37. so for month £26.93
points 799
would have been so much better if my KK hadn't run into A10 who 2 paird on flop (I had trips) but A on river put paid to it. BI gone just like that.
variance still hurts- was only hand that could beat me!
ah well good luck all
Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!
Jane x
That was a quick reply Jane your not in the same house as stein are you and sharing info ? lol
Just kidding before it kicks off again ))
BTW i did say I THINK i heard it, may well have been one of the presenters saying stein would be shouting it etc etc but my point is ANYONE could be cheating and helping each other in mtts stts or cash and nobody would be any the wiser, afterall if a low stakes player got to the final table of a MTT and had a player with more experiance in the same house as them how many of those low stakes players wouldnt ask for a bit of advice ?.
BTW are you self taught at poker or did stein let you watch him play ))
Off to sleep now.
GN. Jenny.x.
"As the hand numbers clicked upwards towards 400m, then to her amazement mrs stein realises the hand number displayed on her screen is 400,000,000, looking down she has AA, UTG moves all in, I'm screaming "go all in" - like she needed me telling her" ~ Stein, In the "Congrats Mrs Stein" thread.
COLLUSION ALERT !
People in glass house etc etc
But in all fairness it is nothing and imo so is rent teaching his girlfriend ))
Now im def off to sleep. gn
jenny.x.
You really want to think about employing this boy Sky.
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Seriously let them set up there own account lol -
One player - one hand - one account
anything else is just not right, don't matter how you want to dress it up
If you wasn't aware of the rules and you wasn't meant to be misleading then that doesn't change the fact that it's not right
The biggest problem in having a secound player on your account is it gives out false information about the way you play PERIOD END OF FULL STOP THE END -
And I can't beleive Sky would say it's ok as it goes against T&C's surely
You seem like an honest guy Rent & Jenny because if you knew you was doing wrong then you wouldn't be so stupid to post it on a public forum - would you ?
Maybe common sense will previal in this case, let this be a warning to all
the fact you say it's cost you money numerous times in your replies cannot be quantified in the slightest, more likely is the fact your gf has made bad plays which regs have watched and noted and consequently wrongly made plays vs the real you which has in turn made you money in spots where if they knew your proper ranges they wouldn't dream of doing a certain play.
this should not stop being discussed and should really have it's own topic so all the sky regs are aware of what you've done and can re assess certain notes they may have on you which all now come into question of validility.
I aint gonna comment on this at all (That is SKY POKERS job) but i cant believe i missed all of this
Any way profit for month ZERO
losses for month a healthy £80 or so
1484 points gained this month
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her clicking buttons on your account whether you are telling her what to do or not, is wrong.
1 account for 1 person, it should be as simple as that.
i dont imagine you intentionally tried to deceive other players, but what zing said with regards to reads & ranges is correct.
However I do belive that Rent didn't realise the implications.
Can it just be forgotten now? He obv wont be letting her play on his account again.