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AJ on btn, 3bet spot?

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Obvz against a REG, is this the type of hand to 3bet with as I worry any calls will only be from better or is that where 3bet calling ranges come in etc, and should I be doing it with like J10s type ones ?
STAR99 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £4.65
silva03 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £22.08
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • J
     
DN34689 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £25.47
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011

     not usually for value v a good reg imo, unless you have history with him or know he flats 3bets oop wide (unlikely imo)


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  • crasshcrassh Member Posts: 38
    edited October 2011
    I'd say better to call, have position and then re-assess after the flop.  I really don't even think aiming for a 3-bet call is great, AJ off really isn't a hand you should be building a pot size with, it's likely to leave you with some hard decisions later in the hand, maybe playing for stacks, with what is in essence a hand that can be easily dominated.
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  • BigRonnieCBigRonnieC Member Posts: 186
    edited October 2011
    AJ is a bad hand to 3 bet with. The types of hands in his range that he raises UTG and calls a 3 bet with are very likely to connect well with an Ace on flop, so if you hit you hand after 3 betting and he leads out on flop you're in an awkward situation.


    You have to ask why you're 3 betting and what you will do if you hit flop, but also consider what cards he could have if he calls a 3 bet. Suited connectors or a low pair even would be better for a 3 bet on button, that way if you hit hand or it's a flop with low cards a good bet on flop can take it down/build pot.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    if he flats 3 bets OOP, then yes 3 bet 100%
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    Dont 3bet him unless you have far better than AJ , he is one of the regs i play against alot , and as i said on one of ure other threads he is 1 of my top 6 regs at this level
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    I'm 3betting most times here unless the opener is snug.  Don't really want to bring in the blinds with a hand that is such a bad 'nut-maker' but has decent potential to improve if behind and will be ahead/good shape most of the time against the openers range.  Ww have position, make this a heads up pot and take it down one way or another if possible.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    He makes TK look laggy. 
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  • step7step7 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2011
    +1 Flat and play position. Also take into account the situation! SB is only 20BB and could easily 4 bet shove, original raiser wants to take shortie on and flats the 4 bet (with AK?).. how do you feel about your 3-bet AJ now?
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    He makes TK look laggy. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    If the opener is like that it's probably a fold rather than a call or 3bet.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    +1 Flat and play position. Also take into account the situation! SB is only 20BB and could easily 4 bet shove, original raiser wants to take shoprtie on and flats the 4 bet (with AK?).. how do you feel about your 3-bet AJ now?
    Posted by step7
    Quite happy to fold now and move on to the next hand, now we're behind the ranges.  Or shove if the shortie is a bad shortstack player and the original raiser still has plenty worse, but that comes with reads, readless it's now a fold.

    Let's change the scenario, everyone is saying play position.  We flat, SB calls and BB calls.  9 high flop.  Check, check, c-bet.  What are we doing and why?
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot? : If the opener is like that it's probably a fold rather than a call or 3bet.
    Posted by TommyD
    Really!? Fold AJ on the button to a single raise, I would never play a hand lol
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot? : Really!? Fold AJ on the button to a single raise, I would never play a hand lol
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Thought Dohhhh's reply was a read on the original raiser commenting he's super tight.  AJo plays awful against a super tight opener range.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    OK, I thought he was describing me lol
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  • step7step7 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2011
    LOL I'm guessing Tommy is a LAG. When he the raiser he wants you folding AJ on the button, when he got AJ on the button he 3 betting to make you fold. Don't turn you AJ into a bluff! Just flat call, you have a reasonable hand in position, you don't need the bettiing initiative yet!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    If his opening range is tighter than Tikays then flat and hope for broadway )
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  • step7step7 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot? : Quite happy to fold now and move on to the next hand, now we're behind the ranges.  Or shove if the shortie is a bad shortstack player and the original raiser still has plenty worse, but that comes with reads, readless it's now a fold. Let's change the scenario, everyone is saying play position.  We flat, SB calls and BB calls.  9 high flop.  Check, check, c-bet.  What are we doing and why?
    Posted by TommyD
    Easy fold 3BB down as our equity is now probably low and we have poor relative position to the blinds, still better than 3 betting and possibly not even getting to see a flop 8BB+ down??
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    LOL I'm guessing Tommy is a LAG. When he the raiser he wants you folding AJ on the button, when he got AJ on the button he 3 betting to make you fold. Don't turn you AJ into a bluff! Just flat call, you have a reasonable hand in position, you don't need the bettiing initiative yet!
    Posted by step7
    Whether I am folding, calling or raising to related to reads on the opening raiser and to a lesser extent the blinds as I have explained.  Not sure what calling achieves here.  Always tricky to try to outplay 3 opponents, especially when they have good odds to play a wide margin and as was previously stated to me, one is a short-stack.
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited October 2011

    against this player raise....he is tight but lays down anything outside of the top of his range

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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot? : Easy fold 3BB down as our equity is now probably low and we have poor relative position to the blinds, still better than 3 betting and possibly not even getting to see a flop 8BB+ down??
    Posted by step7
    Enjoying this debate but gotta go out now, will continue when I get back.  Not really a big of fan of calling just to hit though, we don't hit often enough.  IMO we miss and have to fold to a c-bet on the flop more than when we have to 3bet/fold, and 3betting gives us power on the flop to a call as well as sometimes taking down the pot pre.  Then there are the times when we hit and are behind, they tend to smart a little.  Happens more with more players in.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AJ on btn, 3bet spot?:
    against this player raise....he is tight but lays down anything outside of the top of his range
    Posted by huuuuume
    very good point if he does fold to 3 bets OOP a lot ::)
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