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EV Calc - GT Check last post!!!!

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic

Is this right, only answer yes or no – thanks -  

 

Pre flop Pot £48

 

Flop Equity 36%

 

I bet £35

oppo jam £376

I call £341

Pot £800

 

+EV 

+£69.76

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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited December 2011
    No, i think
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    bump - 
    come on - hurting my head trying to get this right :D
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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    bump -  come on - hurting my head trying to get this right :D
    Posted by rancid
    -EV
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited December 2011
    You need to win 42.6% of the time for it to be profitable      341/800=0.42625
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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    You need to win 42.6% of the time for it to be profitable      341/800=0.42625
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Did you get my message Poker_Fail do you want what i uploaded for you?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : -EV
    Posted by jimifloyd
    figures are right but it's -EV ?
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : figures are right but it's -EV ?
    Posted by rancid
    Nope. You're calling £341 to make a pot of £800. Therefore, if you win the hand 341/800 times (As others have said, about 42.6% of the time), you will break even. Any more than that and calling is +EV. Any less than that and it's -EV.

    (I think)
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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : figures are right but it's -EV ?
    Posted by rancid
    Sorry think this is the calculation 36% equity of winning £800- 64% chance of loosing £341 ,the amount you call.

    36% of £800 = £288 - 64% of 341=£218


    £288-£218 =    + EV £70
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : Sorry think this is the calculation 36% equity of winning £800- 64% chance of loosing £341 ,the amount you call. 36% of £800 = £288 - 64% of 341=£218 £288-£218 =    + EV £70
    Posted by jimifloyd

    Yeah, this is right then ) If so I got it nailed lol

    36% equity

    800 pot

    341 to call

    +EV £70

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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : Yeah, this is right then ) 36% equity 800 pot 341 to call +EV £70
    Posted by rancid

    I was right the first time lol.

    36% £459 = £165 roughly - 64% £341 =£218

    £165-£218 = EV -£53
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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : I was right the first time lol. 36% £459 = £165 roughly - 64% £341 =£218 £165-£218 = EV -£53
    Posted by jimifloyd
    When you asked me if it was minus ev i re-checked using the entire pot but it's the amount of the pot at the time you have to call.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : When you asked me if it was minus ev i re-checked using the entire pot but it's the amount of the pot at the time you have to call.
    Posted by jimifloyd
    man, your confusing me lol
    With respect I think your wrong :S

    edit: no I think your right actually :()

    Thought it was the total amount to win, being 800

    I make it -£53 EV

    makes sense now
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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : man, your confusing me lol With respect I think your wrong :S edit: no I think your right actually :() Thought it was the total amount to win, being 800 I make it -£53 EV
    Posted by rancid
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/captureuwb.jpg/


    No probs your pressuring me so much i may re-check again and you know what happened last time,lol.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/captureuwb.jpg/ No probs your pressuring me so much i may re-check again and you know what happened last time,lol.
    Posted by jimifloyd


     I worked it out so many times and could not fathom why it kept saying it was +EV

    So size of pot when calling, I suppose if we were shoving it's the size of the pot we shove into )



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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited December 2011
    In Response to EV Calc - is this correct?:
    Is this right, only answer yes or no – thanks -     Pre flop Pot £48   Flop Equity 36%   I bet £35 oppo jam £376 I call £341 Pot £800   +EV  +£69.76
    Posted by rancid
    Wrong, but others have done calcs correctly above

    EV= x(P)-(1-x)(C)

    where x = probability of winning, P= amount in pot C= amount to call

    In this case 0.36(459)-0.64(341)=-53

    Amount of equity needed to call a bet = C/(P+C), in this case 341/800= 0.426=42.6%
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to EV Calc - is this correct? : Wrong, but others have done calcs correctly above EV= x(P)-(1-x)(C) where x = probability of winning, P= amount in pot C= amount to call In this case 0.36(459)-0.64(341)=-53 Amount of equity needed to call a bet = C/(P+C), in this case 341/800= 0.426=42.6%
    Posted by grantorino
    Bout time GT, was wondering when you was going to give me a great answer )
    We got there in the end though EDIT -£53          LOL

    So the Equity should be worked out at the time of the call ? confused
    ranged it etc... and on flop I have 36%
    What's this 42.6%, maybe you just work it out another way :S


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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? :  I worked it out so many times and could not fathom why it kept saying it was +EV So size of pot when calling, I suppose if we were shoving it's the size of the pot we shove into )
    Posted by rancid
    Do you mean when your shove is a raise? If so you need to factor FE into calc. If you think you have none just use pot size as whats in it+ his call and your shove as the call amount

    If you are using fold equity=F, x =equity when called, C= amount villain must call P=pot B= your bet (total inc amount to call any bet villain may have made)

    EV=F(P)+(1-F)[x(P+C)+(1-x)(B)]

    Ev calcs useless unless your estimates of fold equity and equity in pot are accurate

    Did this in a hurry so there may be mistakes
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    all i know is that if i am calling off 300 quid with only 30 quid of my own money in there, i got da nutz. next

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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : Bout time GT, was wondering when you was going to give me a great answer ) We got there in the end though +£53 So the Equity should be worked out at the time of the call ? confused ranged it etc... and on flop I have 36% What's this 42.6%, maybe you just work it out another way :S
    Posted by rancid
    Its -53, so -EV:) as calculated by jimi and maybe others just glanced at thread

    Im assuming your 36% figure for your equity in pot is correct

    42.6% is the equity required for your call to be breakeven
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  • jimifloydjimifloyd Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct?:
    In Response to Re: EV Calc - is this correct? : Bout time GT, was wondering when you was going to give me a great answer ) We got there in the end though +£53 So the Equity should be worked out at the time of the call ? confused ranged it etc... and on flop I have 36% What's this 42.6%, maybe you just work it out another way :S
    Posted by rancid
    42.6% is your pot odds expressed as a percentage.

    your call divided by total pot.
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