As you say only the first bad nite, so lots of good ones been had and still to have...
I on the other hand am getting the roll...
Total Games
78
Deposits
£40.00
per Game
Wins
42
Profit/Loss
-£2.80
-£0.04
Loses
36
-7%
Only £2.80 to win to be back on level terms..
Even took a gamble tonight and played a very hard game (and risky) at £5.50 stake Was a long game and I was almost a gonna on a couple of occasions Down to bubble and 3 of us were all closely stacked and with blinds up to 300/600 it was flowing back and forth for a while. Getting no hands to play safely.. Took a gamble on a K Q suited and luckily hit a Q to take chip lead and next hand pair 7's with a 7 river took the original chip leader (for maybe 85% of the game) out of the cash (he must be gutted!! lol)
Don't you just love the game they call Poker... ha ha..
I always find it helps to hit quads when playing DYMs. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance IckyAcky Small blind 150.00 150.00 1290.00 Wilhelm Big blind 300.00 450.00 1600.00 Your hole cards Q Q PokerVain Fold 18OPOWER Call 300.00 750.00 5260.00 IckyAcky Fold Wilhelm All-in 1600.00 2350.00 0.00 18OPOWER Call 1600.00 3950.00 3660.00 Wilhelm Show Q Q 18OPOWER Show A K Flop A K 7 Turn Q River Q Wilhelm Win Four Queens 3950.00 3950.00 Posted by Wilhelm
I found this thread and read through it with some interest, as I suppose with the exception of the odd poker points MTT I'm exclusively a DYM player. The extract from Twenny_P's posting above just about sums up the DYM dynamic - win 42/78 games (54% of the games played) but still end up with a -7% win/loss rate. The house edge (or whatever you want to call the buy in fee) gets you again. SkyPoker is the real winner.
Playing the 30p games, with the 5p (20%) buy-in means you have to be playing consistently with a 20% advantage in order to come out on top. As someone has pointed out, the tourney structure with increasing blinds means this is unlikely - at some stage you'll be obliged to play many -EV hands, let alone ones that carry an EV of +20, and the averaging effect of doing so will dilute away those big advantages you have when they do turn up (the AA v underpair). So at the micro levels I think the chances of consistently beating the buy-in are slim. The best level to play is the £3.30 games, as these carry a HE of just 10%, and beating 10% is certainly achievable.
If you're interested, since 24 July when I last dumped a few pennies into my account I've played 571 games (mainly the 30p ones), cashing with 337 and losing on 234. But despite winning 103 (18%) more games than I've lost I'm still out of pocket to the tune of £3.00. An 18% win rate isn't enough to put my results in the black. If you apply these results to the £3.30 games (with the 10% edge), I would be in the black by around 8%, on total buy ins of c£2,840 = £227.20? (all theoretical of course).
The moral behind the story is to play games that have the lowest house edge/buy in if your aim is to either make some money or have results that sit in the black. Individual session results are largely academic, although of course once you have a few hundred games on the sheet you can use them to determine average win/loss rates etc when looking to the future. Having said that, 571 games (22,000 hands at rougly 40 hands per game?) isn't nearly enough to allow one to separate the outcomes caused by variance in the cards being dealt and the outcomes resulting from one's style of play and level of skill.
Moving up or down levels, as a result of analysing your win/loss rate and applying this to games that have a lower house edge/buy in does, of course, bring some other considerations into play - the higher up the levels one plays, in theory the better the opposition - so your skill and style of play is more likely to have a bearing on your results - and so variance less so (again in theory)?
I have seen DYM mentioned all over the forum since I started reading regularly last week. It is only now that I have decided to find out what it meant.. I have played a fair few 9 man STT on various sites in the past, but to be honest I have never heard of a DYM before. Is this type of STT exclusive to Sky or is it a popular variant of Sng I have some how never seen before?
" I found this thread and read through it with some interest, as I suppose with the exception of the odd poker points MTT I'm exclusively a DYM player. The extract from Twenny_P's posting above just about sums up the DYM dynamic - win 42/78 games (54% of the games played) but still end up with a -7% win/loss rate. The house edge (or whatever you want to call the buy in fee) gets you again. SkyPoker is the real winner.
Playing the 30p games, with the 5p (20%) buy-in means you have to be playing consistently with a 20% advantage in order to come out on top. As someone has pointed out, the tourney structure with increasing blinds means this is unlikely - at some stage you'll be obliged to play many -EV hands, let alone ones that carry an EV of +20, and the averaging effect of doing so will dilute away those big advantages you have when they do turn up (the AA v underpair). So at the micro levels I think the chances of consistently beating the buy-in are slim. The best level to play is the £3.30 games, as these carry a HE of just 10%, and beating 10% is certainly achievable.
If you're interested, since 24 July when I last dumped a few pennies into my account I've played 571 games (mainly the 30p ones), cashing with 337 and losing on 234. But despite winning 103 (18%) more games than I've lost I'm still out of pocket to the tune of £3.00. An 18% win rate isn't enough to put my results in the black. If you apply these results to the £3.30 games (with the 10% edge), I would be in the black by around 8%, on total buy ins of c£2,840 = £227.20? (all theoretical of course).
The moral behind the story is to play games that have the lowest house edge/buy in if your aim is to either make some money or have results that sit in the black. Individual session results are largely academic, although of course once you have a few hundred games on the sheet you can use them to determine average win/loss rates etc when looking to the future. Having said that, 571 games (22,000 hands at rougly 40 hands per game?) isn't nearly enough to allow one to separate the outcomes caused by variance in the cards being dealt and the outcomes resulting from one's style of play and level of skill.
Moving up or down levels, as a result of analysing your win/loss rate and applying this to games that have a lower house edge/buy in does, of course, bring some other considerations into play - the higher up the levels one plays, in theory the better the opposition - so your skill and style of play is more likely to have a bearing on your results - and so variance less so (again in theory)?
Good cards."
what a superb post this is
beggars my belief why and how players can afford to grind these very low stake dyms fro such high rake , are some of them even aware that it is pretty much an industry high?
yes you can beat them but with those rake levels there wont be many winners over time
hi barnsie, good post. you mention you have played some 571 games,since 24/7 /11 mainly at 30p level. i am interested to know why didn,t you try your luck at 60p or better still £1.15 levels where the rake drops to 15% thus giving YOU the slightly better edge?
as you so rightly say had you been playing at £3.30 you would be in profit £227.20
isn,t that telling you something?
interested to know what level you are playing now? anyway,good luck
As to the other question, still playing mainly at 30p a pop, althopugh on occasions I'll push the boat out and put £1.15 on the line. I'm not interested in playing to build a bankroll, make money etc. Strictly for fun, and for the challenge of analysing and understanding the numbers that fall out of it all. So if you drop down to the smallest of the micros we might share a table . . .
you i think must be in a very small minority, not interested in building a b/roll?
i have played at the 30p&60p levels, not that long ago in fact, and as i won at both levels quickly moved up to £1.15 purely because of the 5% rake saving, as above to ££2.25 and again to £3.30.
i would be interested to know roughly how much you have in your poker account so i could advise you,(if you wanted me to) on the level you either should or could be playing at.
anyway,as long as you are happy what does it matter!
i do know that if i am sitting down playing for hours on end,i would rather be winning than just breaking even.
Deposited twenty quid on 24th July. Still have £14.15 as at 3rd January. Five month's regular entertainment for a fiver? As I said, purely for fun and the challenge of the numbers. I do play live once a week for an eight quid buy-in, which is entertaining and has covered the cost of dinner for two once or twice.
Comments
won 18 lost 5
profit £32.10
balance £360.92
can,t believe how the run keeps on going
surely got to hit the brick wall sometime....haven,t i ?
anyway,got to enjoy it while it lasts
keep you posted
the devonfish
won 20 lost 16
profit £1.20
at least c4points going up 929
71 to get tomorrow
balance £362.12
back tomorrow
nite
god knows what 2nite was.
hit that dammed brick wall,
but no surprise,i knew it was coming.
won 21 lost 24
lost £22.50
it,s ok though
i,m rolled for it.
balance now £335.12
still £117
up since starting dym,s
so,no worries
as the great man said
"i,ll be back"
nite
since i started DYMs on nov 14th,
so can,t really complain though....lol
i knew it was coming
and it,s happened so many times playing cash,
i was ready for it...boo hoo
anyway,see you on the tables no doubt
and best wishes for 2012,
i,m sure you will!
devon
As you say only the first bad nite, so lots of good ones been had and still to have...
I on the other hand am getting the roll...
Even took a gamble tonight and played a very hard game (and risky) at £5.50 stake
Was a long game and I was almost a gonna on a couple of occasions
Down to bubble and 3 of us were all closely stacked and with blinds up to 300/600 it was flowing back and forth for a while. Getting no hands to play safely..
Took a gamble on a K Q suited and luckily hit a Q to take chip lead and next hand pair 7's with a 7 river took the original chip leader (for maybe 85% of the game) out of the cash (he must be gutted!! lol)
Don't you just love the game they call Poker... ha ha..
Back to the £1.15 stakes tomorrow (less stress)
Twenny
can you do it ?
YES YOU CAN.
won 26 lost 20
won £4.20
balance £339.32
nite
but hey i started the post,
so i might just get away with it,
hooooray,just won 10am freeroll £13.50
(4th time actually,but guess that,s bragging a bit)
all helps though,doesn,t it!
bankroll now £352.82
devon
lol...
Quality
Playing the 30p games, with the 5p (20%) buy-in means you have to be playing consistently with a 20% advantage in order to come out on top. As someone has pointed out, the tourney structure with increasing blinds means this is unlikely - at some stage you'll be obliged to play many -EV hands, let alone ones that carry an EV of +20, and the averaging effect of doing so will dilute away those big advantages you have when they do turn up (the AA v underpair). So at the micro levels I think the chances of consistently beating the buy-in are slim. The best level to play is the £3.30 games, as these carry a HE of just 10%, and beating 10% is certainly achievable.
If you're interested, since 24 July when I last dumped a few pennies into my account I've played 571 games (mainly the 30p ones), cashing with 337 and losing on 234. But despite winning 103 (18%) more games than I've lost I'm still out of pocket to the tune of £3.00. An 18% win rate isn't enough to put my results in the black. If you apply these results to the £3.30 games (with the 10% edge), I would be in the black by around 8%, on total buy ins of c£2,840 = £227.20? (all theoretical of course).
The moral behind the story is to play games that have the lowest house edge/buy in if your aim is to either make some money or have results that sit in the black. Individual session results are largely academic, although of course once you have a few hundred games on the sheet you can use them to determine average win/loss rates etc when looking to the future. Having said that, 571 games (22,000 hands at rougly 40 hands per game?) isn't nearly enough to allow one to separate the outcomes caused by variance in the cards being dealt and the outcomes resulting from one's style of play and level of skill.
Moving up or down levels, as a result of analysing your win/loss rate and applying this to games that have a lower house edge/buy in does, of course, bring some other considerations into play - the higher up the levels one plays, in theory the better the opposition - so your skill and style of play is more likely to have a bearing on your results - and so variance less so (again in theory)?
Good cards.
I have seen DYM mentioned all over the forum since I started reading regularly last week. It is only now that I have decided to find out what it meant.. I have played a fair few 9 man STT on various sites in the past, but to be honest I have never heard of a DYM before. Is this type of STT exclusive to Sky or is it a popular variant of Sng I have some how never seen before?
Playing the 30p games, with the 5p (20%) buy-in means you have to be playing consistently with a 20% advantage in order to come out on top. As someone has pointed out, the tourney structure with increasing blinds means this is unlikely - at some stage you'll be obliged to play many -EV hands, let alone ones that carry an EV of +20, and the averaging effect of doing so will dilute away those big advantages you have when they do turn up (the AA v underpair). So at the micro levels I think the chances of consistently beating the buy-in are slim. The best level to play is the £3.30 games, as these carry a HE of just 10%, and beating 10% is certainly achievable.
If you're interested, since 24 July when I last dumped a few pennies into my account I've played 571 games (mainly the 30p ones), cashing with 337 and losing on 234. But despite winning 103 (18%) more games than I've lost I'm still out of pocket to the tune of £3.00. An 18% win rate isn't enough to put my results in the black. If you apply these results to the £3.30 games (with the 10% edge), I would be in the black by around 8%, on total buy ins of c£2,840 = £227.20? (all theoretical of course).
The moral behind the story is to play games that have the lowest house edge/buy in if your aim is to either make some money or have results that sit in the black. Individual session results are largely academic, although of course once you have a few hundred games on the sheet you can use them to determine average win/loss rates etc when looking to the future. Having said that, 571 games (22,000 hands at rougly 40 hands per game?) isn't nearly enough to allow one to separate the outcomes caused by variance in the cards being dealt and the outcomes resulting from one's style of play and level of skill.
Moving up or down levels, as a result of analysing your win/loss rate and applying this to games that have a lower house edge/buy in does, of course, bring some other considerations into play - the higher up the levels one plays, in theory the better the opposition - so your skill and style of play is more likely to have a bearing on your results - and so variance less so (again in theory)?
Good cards."
good post.
you mention you have played some 571
games,since 24/7 /11 mainly at 30p level.
i am interested to know why didn,t you
try your luck at 60p or better still £1.15 levels
where the rake drops to 15%
thus giving YOU the slightly better edge?
as you so rightly say
had you been playing at £3.30
you would be in profit £227.20
isn,t that telling you something?
interested to know what level you are playing now?
anyway,good luck
devon
,
my mistake
hope you forgive a silly old duffer
devon
As to the other question, still playing mainly at 30p a pop, althopugh on occasions I'll push the boat out and put £1.15 on the line. I'm not interested in playing to build a bankroll, make money etc. Strictly for fun, and for the challenge of analysing and understanding the numbers that fall out of it all. So if you drop down to the smallest of the micros we might share a table . . .
Best wishes for the New Year both.
you i think must be in a very small minority,
not interested in building a b/roll?
i have played at the 30p&60p levels,
not that long ago in fact,
and as i won at both levels
quickly moved up to £1.15 purely because of the 5% rake saving,
as above to ££2.25
and again to £3.30.
i would be interested to know roughly
how much you have in your poker account
so i could advise you,(if you wanted me to)
on the level you either should or could be playing at.
anyway,as long as you are happy
what does it matter!
i do know that if i am sitting down playing
for hours on end,i would rather be winning
than just breaking even.
cheers
devon