the fact ppl are saying this is a fold is shocking! yep i totally understand its a dym & it could possibly be the correct move BUT this aint poker!! this sort of format will never help you improve your game! my advice would be stop playin em, play cash, mtts or even HU. this is the worst type of holdem poker there is imo Posted by potattoooo
Personaly I think DYM's are great to improve tactics for Tourneys.
Cash games are a complete different case - It is so often highlighted that Cash v Tourney need totaly different play styles.
The aim of achieving money in a Tourney is to make success in to the top x players (survive past the bubble.)
If you can play DYM where you need to make the top 3 to cash, then IMO very similar remit?
Yes you may need to adjust a little to ensure you keep building a chip stack to survive, but the basics are closer than Cash games.
Also: Your "BUT this aint poker!!" comment is complete garbage. Most people that play at home for fun with family and friends round the table will be playing a style closer to DYM than Cash!!
I regular play a table game where £5 stake each and winner takes all (DYM style play is closer to achieving this) As players crash out, your aim is to remain bigger stacked than other players and win chips as and where you can. Taking risks (as people do in Cash) does not help.
Just thought I'd put in my Twenny Pence worth... :-)
In Response to Re: DYM - AKs in SB w/2bbs Shove or Fold? : Personaly I think DYM's are great to improve tactics for Tourneys. Cash games are a complete different case - It is so often highlighted that Cash v Tourney need totaly different play styles. The aim of achieving money in a Tourney is to make success in to the top x players (survive past the bubble.) If you can play DYM where you need to make the top 3 to cash, then IMO very similar remit? Yes you may need to adjust a little to ensure you keep building a chip stack to survive, but the basics are closer than Cash games. Also: Your "BUT this aint poker!!" comment is complete garbage. Most people that play at home for fun with family and friends round the table will be playing a style closer to DYM than Cash!! I regular play a table game where £5 stake each and winner takes all (DYM style play is closer to achieving this) As players crash out, your aim is to remain bigger stacked than other players and win chips as and where you can. Taking risks (as people do in Cash) does not help. Just thought I'd put in my Twenny Pence worth... :-) Posted by Twenny_P
I disagree with pretty much all that, although its probable dyms may help some facets of your game
Winner takes all should have a completely different style to a dym, as should most multi table tournaments where prizes are nearly always top heavy
In Response to Re: DYM - AKs in SB w/2bbs Shove or Fold? : I disagree with pretty much all that, although its probable dyms may help some facets of your game Winner takes all should have a completely different style to a dym, as should most multi table tournaments where prizes are nearly always top heavy Posted by grantorino
cheers saved me replying! I cant think of anything in DYM that will help your game tho tbh, but ill leave it at that, seem to be gettin ppls backs up a bit!
Am i misreading this or are people actually considering folding AKs in an unopened unlimped pot from the small blind 4handed with 2BB?! Thats way way way too nitty to fold here. Jesus, if you're waiting for Aces Vs Kings in a DYM on the bubble, gl with that...
Any tournament for that matter, at any stage this is a horrible fold. Funnily enough, playing in a live tournament a few months ago i raised UTG folded AKos when we were 13handed and 12 got paid. When a pro at the table heard id folded AK, he went ballistic. So Im not saying that Ak is never foldable, of course it is. But here its just truly awful to fold it. If youre not willing to gamble 2BB in a touney people will walk all over you. No one has ever won a tournament without gambling. So i get that in a dym you dont set out to win, but rather finish in the top 50% but long term thats just plain wrong. You might cash this DYM but if faced with this situation 100 times it defo the right thing to shove every time and accept that variance will do its work. End of.
Am i misreading this or are people actually considering folding AKs in an unopened unlimped pot from the small blind 4handed with 2BB?! Thats way way way too nitty to fold here. Jesus, if you're waiting for Aces Vs Kings in a DYM on the bubble, gl with that... Any tournament for that matter, at any stage this is a horrible fold. Funnily enough, playing in a live tournament a few months ago i raised UTG folded AKos when we were 13handed and 12 got paid. When a pro at the table heard id folded AK, he went ballistic. So Im not saying that Ak is never foldable, of course it is. But here its just truly awful to fold it. If youre not willing to gamble 2BB in a touney people will walk all over you. No one has ever won a tournament without gambling. So i get that in a dym you dont set out to win, but rather finish in the top 50% but long term thats just plain wrong. You might cash this DYM but if faced with this situation 100 times it defo the right thing to shove every time and accept that variance will do its work. End of. Posted by Fluxfoxy32
facing this situation 100 times folding is 100% the correct thing to do
Im not basing it on what he said at all. That was just me accepting that Ak can be folded preflop and there are grey areas. I wasnt justifying anything on his notions of a good or bad fold.
Right, you're 4/4 in a DYM and are about to be blinded out w/ 2BB left. IF you dont shove here, you'll be blinded out anyway and finish 4th eh ? Whereas if you shove, its definitely +EV. Youre only behind to pocket pairs and youll be approx 70% against two live cards. So over time, youll double much more than if you go broke here. And if you DU then youll obviously have a better chance of cashing. A shove is defo +EV against one opponent. Plus when you DU here youll have more fold equity for stealing blinds in later hands, which should be enough to get you into the money.
The real concern in this situation is that you are just going to let yourself be blinded out, waiting for aces or Kings ??Shove the Ak and give yourself a chance...
With those stacks, yes but ("*If Bell has 355 then it is a fold as **** be in the blind next hand and youll probably cash. (Didnt see that) But say Bell has 2 or 3K ; instashove.") different stack sizes or in an MTT and it obviously is very +EV.
In Response to Re: DYM - AKs in SB w/2bbs Shove or Fold? : With those stacks, yes but (" *If Bell has 355 then it is a fold as **** be in the blind next hand and youll probably cash. (Didnt see that) But say Bell has 2 or 3K ; instashove.") different stack sizes or in an MTT and it obviously is very +EV. Posted by Fluxfoxy32
In Response to Re: DYM - AKs in SB w/2bbs Shove or Fold? : With those stacks, yes but (" *If Bell has 355 then it is a fold as **** be in the blind next hand and youll probably cash. (Didnt see that) But say Bell has 2 or 3K ; instashove.") different stack sizes or in an MTT and it obviously is very +EV. Posted by Fluxfoxy32
I'm with you Flux...
Even if Bell is only 355 and all in big blind next hand, what's to say they don't get pocket Aces dealt, and wins pot against anyone that bets in to it with junk that they had to play to try to beat Bell.. You are now on level (ish) stack with Bell and chasing to be dealt a hand!! Whilst you have Ace King, against just the BB, who could have absolutely nothing and fold, you have to Shove here!!
In Response to Re: DYM - AKs in SB w/2bbs Shove or Fold? : I'm with you Flux... Even if Bell is only 355 and all in big blind next hand, what's to say they don't get pocket Aces dealt, and wins pot against anyone that bets in to it with junk that they had to play to try to beat Bell.. You are now on level (ish) stack with Bell and chasing to be dealt a hand!! Whilst you have Ace King, against just the BB, who could have absolutely nothing and fold, you have to Shove here!! TwennyP Posted by Twenny_P[/QUOT
painful 2 read
try and read thru the whole thread and take in some of the free advice
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Cash games are a complete different case - It is so often highlighted that Cash v Tourney need totaly different play styles.
The aim of achieving money in a Tourney is to make success in to the top x players (survive past the bubble.)
If you can play DYM where you need to make the top 3 to cash, then IMO very similar remit?
Yes you may need to adjust a little to ensure you keep building a chip stack to survive, but the basics are closer than Cash games.
Also: Your "BUT this aint poker!!" comment is complete garbage.
Most people that play at home for fun with family and friends round the table will be playing a style closer to DYM than Cash!!
I regular play a table game where £5 stake each and winner takes all (DYM style play is closer to achieving this)
As players crash out, your aim is to remain bigger stacked than other players and win chips as and where you can. Taking risks (as people do in Cash) does not help.
Just thought I'd put in my Twenny Pence worth... :-)
Winner takes all should have a completely different style to a dym, as should most multi table tournaments where prizes are nearly always top heavy
there is a diferent game for everyone.
as a small stake micro cash player
i thought i,d try some dym after coming across john connor,s
"abc of dym,s" purely by accident.
what a great move it turned out to be,
i,ve won £144 since the 19 november 2011
and that includes a week off not playing!
so "the fools"that "dis" dym,s
think again
Even if Bell is only 355 and all in big blind next hand, what's to say they don't get pocket Aces dealt, and wins pot against anyone that bets in to it with junk that they had to play to try to beat Bell.. You are now on level (ish) stack with Bell and chasing to be dealt a hand!! Whilst you have Ace King, against just the BB, who could have absolutely nothing and fold, you have to Shove here!!
TwennyP