In Response to Re: Donk gets new computer [EvilPingu's Diary] : It really tilts me, when you post that you won '78 £5.50 dyms and lost just 63' and only made £4.50. It just puts into perspective how much of an impact the rake has on results. And how much you have to crush such games to have a solid winrate. All the best, patwalshh Posted by patwalshh
Have you seen the new sharkscope software which has an option to show your graph without rake.... dont press it, its depressing..
It's rather like looking at your monhtly payslip in the office, thinking thats nice, and then looking in the Tax collum, and thinking... oh sheet!!!
In Response to Re: Donk gets new computer [EvilPingu's Diary] : Have you seen the new sharkscope software which has an option to show your graph without rake.... dont press it, its depressing.. It's rather like looking at your monhtly payslip in the office, thinking thats nice, and then looking in the Tax collum, and thinking... oh sheet!!! Posted by GREGHOGG
Yeah I have, it's so depressing! It's funny to play around with it with some of the really heavy volume guys on PS
You do get a lot around 30 percent of that rake paid back if you get 10,000 points. Can get around 60 percent back if you get enough points. But yeah, rake is too high and punishes the casual or small stakes players much more.
Just amazes me to see you guys grind so many of these £5 DYMS. You are the dream player for sky poker. Lots of robotic volume, little profit, lots of rake paid, lots of £ for sky poker, very little room for improvement or development. You may as well be bots.
You do get a lot around 30 percent of that rake paid back if you get 10,000 points. Can get around 60 percent back if you get enough points. But yeah, rake is too high and punishes the casual or small stakes players much more. Just amazes me to see you guys grind so many of these £5 DYMS. You are the dream player for sky poker. Lots of robotic volume, little profit, lots of rake paid, lots of £ for sky poker, very little room for improvement or development. You may as well be bots. Posted by Spad3s
In Response to Re: Donk gets new computer [EvilPingu's Diary] : Biggest troll on the forum award goes to..... Posted by patwalshh
No Pat, just my honest opinion.
These DYMs are very robotic and I would guess if you took some of the best DYM players on the site and looked at their winnings, Sky will have made more money from that players rake then that player has profited.
I think a better focus is to move up in stakes and play cash rather then try and move up in volume and down in stakes. Thats just my opinion.
In Response to Re: Donk gets new computer [EvilPingu's Diary] : No Pat, just my honest opinion. These DYMs are very robotic and I would guess if you took some of the best DYM players on the site and looked at their winnings, Sky will have made more money from that players rake then that player has profited. I think a better focus is to move up in stakes and play cash rather then try and moveup in volume and down in stakes. Thats just my opinion. Posted by Spad3s
I fully agree with the bolded. However some players like myself, just aren't cash players and dislike it. It definitely depends on what your goal is though. Some people are happy with making money from what they play. Whereas others want to put maximum effort in and move up through the stakes.
In Response to Re: Donk gets new computer [EvilPingu's Diary] : I fully agree with the bolded. However some players like myself, just aren't cash players and dislike it. It definitely depends on what your goal is though. Some people are happy with making money from what they play. Whereas others want to put maximum effort in and move up through the stakes. Posted by patwalshh
You are prob new enough to poker, I can guarantee if you keep playing poker...you will eventually move to cash.
Didn't play that much today, I had a short session when I woke up (about 5pm), but not much volume. However, there was one good thing to come from today - I played some £11 DYMs, and had a really good day, won myself 6 buy-ins, and despite not running so good in the £5.50 games that I played, I finished the day with a healthy profit, although not as much C4P as I would like.
My spreadsheet makes insteresting reading this month - I have apparently played 699 £5.50 DYMs, Won 385 and lost 314, which leaves me with a massive profit of... £5.50 - Yes, one whole buy-in, and Sky have taken just under £350 in rake from me in this time. Sigh, lol.
Will reply to posts above tomorrow (or later, whatever) when I wake up. Going for 1k C4P tomorrow, keep the Priority Club dream alive for this month, which will mean a lot of £5.50 DYMs (again) and probably throw a few £11s in as well No better time to move up a level than at the weekend when the games are at their softest.
Hi evilpingu good to see your rebuilding your roll back up nice and steadily. As for going for priority this month I think you should just get your head down and plough through it to get there. You'll obv need to put a lot of volume in but once you hit it it'll be worth it especially if your a dym specialist as your monthly rake back is gonna be a massive % of your total profit. Plus you get all sorts of other perks and promo's and the 3 month + boost.
As for the above posts about playing dym's I agree with spad3s. I really don't know how anyone could grind them day after day but each to there own. I think they are just rake machines (especially at the lower stakes) and I don't really think you can improve you game by playing them (someone please correct me if you think otherwise, im no expert) as there is a set way to play them with little room for mannouver. Also I think as you move up your edge becomes so small, whereas in cash or MTT's your edge can be so much bigger especially if you table select well.
No prizes for guessing what I played today... Lol.
Didn't get the 1k C4P that I was intending to get today, but I still got a decent amount of points which means that I've not fallen any further behind on getting into Priority Club this month, either - 700 C4P a day, with one day where I get 1k, will be enough.
As well as getting into Priority Club this month, I'm looking at putting in even more volume next month - Bus fare every day to get to College next year, plus train fares and renting accommodation for university open days over the next few months won't be cheap. I want to go to the SPT Grand Final as well if I can, so I'll need to get the money from somewhere. £1,100 for 25k C4P next month, if not more, would be very useful indeed
£3.30 DYM - Played 3, Won 3, Lost 0, +£8.10
£5.50 DYM - Played 30, Won 18, Lost 12, +£15.00
£11 DYM - Played 48, Won 26, Lost 22, -£8.00
£16.50 DYM - Played 1, Won , Lost , -£16.50
Also got a £5 Free Bet from Sky Bet, picked 5 random football teams, did a Lucky 31 and won £10.16 which I withdrew. Free money ftw
In Response to Re: Donk gets new computer [EvilPingu's Diary] : It really tilts me, when you post that you won '78 £5.50 dyms and lost just 63' and only made £4.50. It just puts into perspective how much of an impact the rake has on results. And how much you have to crush such games to have a solid winrate. All the best, patwalshh Posted by patwalshh
The winrates you need to overcome the rake aren't brilliant - 55%, or 11 wins per 20 games, is break even. It's a shame that the rake stays at 10% as the stakes increase on here, unlike other sites where the rake is often lower. It'd be great to log on one day and find that the £11 DYMs had become £10.80 DYMs or something
Hi evilpingu good to see your rebuilding your roll back up nice and steadily. As for going for priority this month I think you should just get your head down and plough through it to get there. You'll obv need to put a lot of volume in but once you hit it it'll be worth it especially if your a dym specialist as your monthly rake back is gonna be a massive % of your total profit. Plus you get all sorts of other perks and promo's and the 3 month + boost. GL anyway Posted by Curt360x27
Cheers Yeah, need to put the volume in and get there ASAP. The main thing for me is all of the perks that you get for being in Priority Club, plus direct buy-in for SPTs as I'd like to play a few of them next year, without having to bother with satellites.
As for the above posts about playing dym's I agree with spad3s. I really don't know how anyone could grind them day after day but each to there own. I think they are just rake machines (especially at the lower stakes) and I don't really think you can improve you game by playing them (someone please correct me if you think otherwise, im no expert) as there is a set way to play them with little room for mannouver. Also I think as you move up your edge becomes so small, whereas in cash or MTT's your edge can be so much bigger especially if you table select well. Posted by Curt360x27
Agree that the biggest winner is the rake, and as long as Sky charge 10% rake, that's always going to be the case. However, they're still beatable.
As for improving your game by playing them - I think you can argue both ways on that one. I believe that playing any Poker is going to improve your game in some way, the difference with DYMs is that a lot of the things in DYMs are only really useful in DYMs, sometimes in satellites around the bubble, and not much else, so playing DYMs won't make you a better or worse Cash or Tournament player.
I can't comment on the thing about the edge, because I haven't really played that high - I've only played a handful of games at £16.50 and above, but there's definitely enough of an edge at £11. The only thing I know is that the regs get better but fish are still fish. There's players on Sky who have lost tens of thousands of pounds on DYMs at £33+, and even after a few thousand games, they still make fundamental errors such as limping into pots.
For that reason, I'd be surprised if a good player with good game selection was unable to beat the rake. Sky's 10% rake doesn't make it any easier for players at those levels though. I'd be interested to see what effect dropping the rake to maybe 8% would have on the number of games running at the higher levels - It'd almost certainly generate more action, and probably more rake for Sky, too.
DYMs do my nut in, I accidentally reg'd for a £20 quid one last night that wasnt full of regs. Thought ok gotta take this one seriously and follow optimal strategy. Despite being card dead pretty much kept stack intact. Then on the bubble with about 10 bb dealt aj, shoved into the blinds get looked up by pocket sevens, flop comes aj7. Turn and River Blank Blank, sigh.......
I much prefer cash, and husngs.
Get motoring to priority EP, im on 7.2k race you there !
I think DYM rake is only fair at 5% but I'd welcome any reduction in DYM rake as a starting point. I've stated my argument for 5% DYM rake lots of times on these forums and here it is again: They pay exacly the same as heads up STTs 50% of the player pool wins 100% and the other 50% loses.
Is it taking you longer than expected to adjust to the mass multi tabling?
Before you got your comp I remember you posted your dym stats/roi in a clinic thread and you were up @ 8% I think, it was very healthy anyway.....
Been keeping an eye on this thread and it seems you're always around break even in big sessions. I agree with others that priority is important for dymers, but it's not so important for winning players or players that can crush the games, like you used to do.
Maybe putting too much emphasis on multi tabling/volume and not enough on looking after your ROI and beating the games.
Your last 1k games you're pretty much break even, could be run bad etc but it might be down to pushing the multi tabling too far, I dunno.
An 8% roi over that 1,000 game sample @ 8% ROI in £5 dyms would have given you a £440 profit.
Having failed to get 1k C4P yesterday, I decided that instead, today was the day where I was going to put in that extra volume. Unfortunately, just like yesterday, I could only manage around 700 C4P, although unlike yesterday, this was completely out of my control.
As a result of the England match, getting any games started after 8pm was an absolute nightmare, so I decided that rather than continuing to play when I could barely get 6 tables running, any less than that and I usually go on boredom tilt, it'd be better to do real life stuff and put in the extra volume over the next week or so instead.
The session itself went alright, I felt I played really well today, but I couldn't have run any worse than I did at the beginning. Whereas previously, I've ran terrible but played not particularly brilliantly either, I can't think of many things that I would've done differently today. Although £18 profit isn't really a reflection of how I played today, I'm really happy with how I played compared to previous days, and pleased that I ended up with a profit despite running horribly to begin with.
Also, I was reminded that "The Secret Millionaire" with Andrew Feldman was on tonight on Channel 4 (or last night, it's 5am already...) by fellow Team51 member Macapaca. I missed it on TV but have just watched it on 4oD. For anyone who hasn't already seen it, I've posted a link - It's well worth watching IMO. I didn't rate Andrew Feldman much until seeing this but I definitely have a lot more respect for him now.
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It's rather like looking at your monhtly payslip in the office, thinking thats nice, and then looking in the Tax collum, and thinking... oh sheet!!!
Can get around 60 percent back if you get enough points.
But yeah, rake is too high and punishes the casual or small stakes players much more.
Just amazes me to see you guys grind so many of these £5 DYMS.
You are the dream player for sky poker. Lots of robotic volume, little profit, lots of rake paid, lots of £ for sky poker, very little room for improvement or development.
You may as well be bots.
No Pat, just my honest opinion.
These DYMs are very robotic and I would guess if you took some of the best DYM players on the site and looked at their winnings, Sky will have made more money from that players rake then that player has profited.
I think a better focus is to move up in stakes and play cash rather then try and move up in volume and down in stakes. Thats just my opinion.
You are prob new enough to poker, I can guarantee if you keep playing poker...you will eventually move to cash.
Pretty much inevitable.
Hi evilpingu good to see your rebuilding your roll back up nice and steadily. As for going for priority this month I think you should just get your head down and plough through it to get there. You'll obv need to put a lot of volume in but once you hit it it'll be worth it especially if your a dym specialist as your monthly rake back is gonna be a massive % of your total profit. Plus you get all sorts of other perks and promo's and the 3 month + boost.
GL anyway
I think DYM rake is only fair at 5% but I'd welcome any reduction in DYM rake as a starting point. I've stated my argument for 5% DYM rake lots of times on these forums and here it is again: They pay exacly the same as heads up STTs 50% of the player pool wins 100% and the other 50% loses.
that being said - he, but more particularly you, are playing well below your capabilities, and hence enduring more rake than need be.
I remember when you arrived here in a blaze of glory - all gung ho etc - and it´s been impressive watching how you have matured as a player.
but that doesn´t mean you need to be keeping Sky in business single handedly.
if the rake at dym is too high - stop playing dym - play cash - play mtts - play whatever, but make sure you get paid for your edge not Sky!
i´ve no doubt you should be playing much higher levels than me, but you will not get there binking around in the undergrowth forever.