thank you Lambert, brilliant advise. it,s great when you see something written down and then it all makes perfect sense. just goes to show me how much more i really do have to learn,as i did think my way was better. will definately try raising bigger nxt session and see how things go.
1st set of hands raise prem 20p+ 1 bb per limper from whatever position bet for value, get it all in pre flop if you can AA/KK/AK/QQ
2nd set of hands raise the same for next set of hands but play in position, oop going to be difficult JJ/AQ/AJ/A10/1010/99
3rd set of hands next set of implied hands, get in cheap and have the correct implied odds -and get paid when you hit massive Looking for 2 pair+ hands and draws on flop, nothing else
thanks rancid, all in pre with qq? are we happy with poss risking £4 with that? and ak also? devon Posted by devonfish5
Definitely!!
I mean in general I can't see much wrong with wanting to get QQ all in pre flop unless you have very good reads but especially against 90% of the people at this level, you're gonna get called by so many hands your miles ahead of. Likewise with AK, it's amazing the number of times I've put people all in pre and been called by things like K9 lol.
I'd say defo 5x UTG, UTG+1.. CO and Btn I probably make it 4x but this is due to playing weaker hands in later position and knowing most times I'll have position and I can cbet less when I miss. Also don't worry about giving off betting tells, as in I bet big I have big hand, I doubt most players at NL4 can even spell their own name let alone notice you making it 24p instead of 16p etc. Biggest advice would be to search all your biggest losing hands and if any you're unsure over post them up, not badbeats though like 'I got my KK in pre and got donked off by A3 how do i play my hand better', just tricky spots where you were unsure, also hide results if possible and leave it where there is a decision, showing whole hand serves no purpose most times. Posted by Dudeskin8
Quite an insulting post Dudeskin Most of us nl4 fish are better than you imply, come and join us sometime and see. Oh,and bring some cash with you.....
In Response to Re: trying 2 cash @ nl4 : Quite an insulting post Dudeskin Most of us nl4 fish are better than you imply, come and join us sometime and see. Oh,and bring some cash with you..... Posted by pilgrim07
Pilgrim, the fact that you've even replied to this and are offended means you are probably already ahead of 90% of the field at 4NL. I'm sure he doesn't mean it to everyone at that level but 90% of people at that level are genuinely like that, hence why it's easy money.
Dude has spent many an hour at 4NL and beat it, hence his move up to 8NL and 10NL
In Response to Re: trying 2 cash @ nl4 : Pilgrim, the fact that you've even replied to this and are offended means you are probably already ahead of 90% of the field at 4NL. I'm sure he doesn't mean it to everyone at that level but 90% of people at that level are genuinely like that, hence why it's easy money. Dude has spent many an hour at 4NL and beat it, hence his move up to 8NL and 10NL Posted by Lambert180
Tongue in cheek post, m8. Not offended in the slightest.
thanks lambert, still trying to get my head around all these new concepts 2 me. as i am undoubtedly a "bit of a nit", . if i had qq and went all in i would always think that they either had kk or aa. obviously they somrtimes will, but i guess u r saying that "over time" it will pay? what about calling an all-in, would u be with qq? and if so,what would be your lowest all-in calling range be? or is it player dependant?
thanks lambert, still trying to get my head around all these new concepts 2 me. as i am undoubtedly a "bit of a nit", . if i had qq and went all in i would always think that they either had kk or aa. obviously they somrtimes will, but i guess u r saying that "over time" it will pay? what about calling an all-in, would u be with qq? and if so,what would be your lowest all-in calling range be? or is it player dependant? thanks buddy devon . Posted by devonfish5
I'm definitely calling an all-in QQ, there are very rare circumstances where if you're playing against a proper Reg like Rancid and you're deep and it goes... you raise 20p, he 3bets to £1.20, you 4bet to £3.20, he shoves for another £3.60 on top, you're probably in trouble but I still can't fold QQ to be honest.
I'm happy to get it all in pre with QQ all day long, if it's a cooler, it's a cooler, and more often than not, if he has KK/AA, he aint gonna flop a set, so you'll still have an overpair to the board and most cases you aint gonna let go and will still lose.
Your lowest calling range is gonna be a bit player dependent, that's a very good area to makes notes in, like if you shove whatever and he calls for 50BBs with KJ, you need to make a note of that. People generally call with less hands than they shove with so if he calls with KJ, he's probably shoving with QJ, KT, cards like that, so against these people I would 100% call a shove with AK, AQ, probably AJ. Whereas I would never call a shove pre from Ranid with AJ.
In reality, you don't want a large amount of your money/profits to come from flips because long term, it's only gonna be about 50/50.
Against your average player at 4NL that I don't know but is your average limps-alot, calls-alot, I will call an all in for up to 100BB with AA/KK/QQ/AK, and probably JJ.
as always the more you play, the more you will know who to shove or call with QQ. its a hand im not afraid of going broke with preflop at NL4. more often than not you end up in a 70/30 situation, just run better than i do with these odds. everyone is binking on me:( think im running about 10/90
as always the more you play, the more you will know who to shove or call with QQ. its a hand im not afraid of going broke with preflop at NL4. more often than not you end up in a 70/30 situation, just run better than i do with these odds. everyone is binking on me:( think im running about 10/90 Posted by TINTIN
I seem to remember my QQ smashing your AK earlier aipf actually.... Might take races with you more!
In Response to Re: trying 2 cash @ nl4 : I seem to remember my QQ smashing your AK earlier aipf actually.... Might take races with you more! Posted by salad24
i wouldnt use the term "smashing" to describe a race. all fairly standard.
In Response to Re: trying 2 cash @ nl4 : Quite an insulting post Dudeskin Most of us nl4 fish are better than you imply, come and join us sometime and see. Oh,and bring some cash with you..... Posted by pilgrim07
Pretty much what Lamby said, to have the thought to even reply like that must mean you are making a profit at the level (bit silly if you're not lol) and hence taking advantage of the awful players I mentioned - well done to you.
And yes I've made that terrible struggle of grinding my way out the NL4 mire which I'm sure you will too soon enough .
In Response to Re: trying 2 cash @ nl4 : I was only referring to the fact that I managed to flop a set, hence taking the sweat away. I am aware it was standard. Posted by salad24
i remember the hand, tbh i forgot what flop brought. i was busy shouting n swearing at the time when i ran 2nd set into top set on the flop on another table at same time
what a grind today has been £15 up though not bad for NL4. hey if i can manage this everyday ill be rich by the end of the year :P well ill be able to pay for a small holiday at least haha.
Hey tintin seen you at the tables tonight how do you find the profit at these levels?
In Response to Re: trying 2 cash @ nl4 : Pretty much what Lamby said, to have the thought to even reply like that must mean you are making a profit at the level (bit silly if you're not lol) and hence taking advantage of the awful players I mentioned - well done to you. And yes I've made that terrible struggle of grinding my way out the NL4 mire which I'm sure you will too soon enough . Good luck matey ! Posted by Dudeskin8
Oh Gawd. Please read my follow up to Lambert`s post.
thanks rancid, all in pre with qq? are we happy with poss risking £4 with that? and ak also? devon Posted by devonfish5
at nl4 allin with qq - yes, against most people. you'll discover who not to as you play. still a risk but if you don't risk you don't get the reward. all hands can be beat - i had aa beat by q10 off last night allin pre along with another guy who had a6 suited. the thing is the q10 guy was last to act and still called with 2 of us allin. on another table i had kk and won against a j8 suited allin pre.
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thank you Lambert,
brilliant advise.
it,s great when you see something written down
and then it all makes perfect sense.
just goes to show me how much more i really
do have to learn,as i did think my way was better.
will definately try raising bigger nxt session
and see how things go.
thanks again buddy,
devon
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raise prem 20p+ 1 bb per limper from whatever position
bet for value, get it all in pre flop if you can
AA/KK/AK/QQ
2nd set of hands
raise the same for next set of hands but play in position, oop going to be difficult
JJ/AQ/AJ/A10/1010/99
3rd set of hands
next set of implied hands, get in cheap and have the correct implied odds -and get paid when you hit massive
Looking for 2 pair+ hands and draws on flop, nothing else
suited aces, broadway cards, sc's and low-mid prs
Good luck
all in pre with qq?
are we happy with poss risking £4 with that?
and ak also?
devon
I mean in general I can't see much wrong with wanting to get QQ all in pre flop unless you have very good reads but especially against 90% of the people at this level, you're gonna get called by so many hands your miles ahead of. Likewise with AK, it's amazing the number of times I've put people all in pre and been called by things like K9 lol.
Dude has spent many an hour at 4NL and beat it, hence his move up to 8NL and 10NL
still trying to get my head around all these new concepts 2 me.
as i am undoubtedly a "bit of a nit",
.
if i had qq and went all in i would always think
that they either had kk or aa.
obviously they somrtimes will,
but i guess u r saying that "over time"
it will pay?
what about calling an all-in,
would u be with qq?
and if so,what would be your lowest all-in calling range be?
or is it player dependant?
thanks buddy
devon
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I'm happy to get it all in pre with QQ all day long, if it's a cooler, it's a cooler, and more often than not, if he has KK/AA, he aint gonna flop a set, so you'll still have an overpair to the board and most cases you aint gonna let go and will still lose.
Your lowest calling range is gonna be a bit player dependent, that's a very good area to makes notes in, like if you shove whatever and he calls for 50BBs with KJ, you need to make a note of that. People generally call with less hands than they shove with so if he calls with KJ, he's probably shoving with QJ, KT, cards like that, so against these people I would 100% call a shove with AK, AQ, probably AJ. Whereas I would never call a shove pre from Ranid with AJ.
In reality, you don't want a large amount of your money/profits to come from flips because long term, it's only gonna be about 50/50.
Against your average player at 4NL that I don't know but is your average limps-alot, calls-alot, I will call an all in for up to 100BB with AA/KK/QQ/AK, and probably JJ.
and tin tin,
very much appreciated for taking the time & effort
with your good analyises and replies.
cheers devon
still a risk but if you don't risk you don't get the reward.
all hands can be beat - i had aa beat by q10 off last night allin pre along with another guy who had a6 suited.
the thing is the q10 guy was last to act and still called with 2 of us allin.
on another table i had kk and won against a j8 suited allin pre.
notes FTW!
good luck