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DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul)

bandinibandini Member Posts: 1,802
edited January 2012 in The Poker Clinic
ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
MAD_JOCK Small blind  10.00 10.00 1990.00
wrongjohn1 Big blind  20.00 30.00 1980.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
twistedole All-in  2000.00 2030.00 0.00
19577 Fold     
bandini Fold     
the-sock Fold     
MAD_JOCK Fold     
wrongjohn1 Fold     
twistedole Muck     
twistedole Win  50.00  50.00
twistedole Return  1980.00 0.00 2030.00
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  • bandinibandini Member Posts: 1,802
    edited January 2012
    Well?

    1st hand in dym!

    lol

    My conclusion was I could find better spots but, eh, well, I hate me. Time bar ran out as I cried.

    £10 dym too.

    I did cash. Thanks to villain getting it all-in with QQ vs AA and spiking, lol.

    Funny ol game as ol Greavsie did surely say.

    Would you have called?
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  • ricky1984ricky1984 Member Posts: 140
    edited January 2012
    No i'm definitely folding too in the first level unless I have any special reads.

    qq-aa, then ur in a world of pain. ak, kq, aq, its not really a spot where i wanna be racing so early.

    and is he really doing that with 1010 or lower, quite frankly i am not taking the chance
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  • DeaDFl0PDeaDFl0P Member Posts: 62
    edited January 2012
    That's defo a nice easy fold :-)
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited January 2012
    Yeah not even a decision this early with JJ.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2012

    My first reaction is a fold... a really annoying fold, and its prob just correct.

    But, i think a call is prob ok too

    cop-out answer i know, but I know i would call this sometimes just to suck out on his badly played aces.

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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul):
    Yeah not even a decision this early with JJ.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    ofc its a decision

    if you know the guy is tilting and does this with any two then its an easy call
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited January 2012
    Not sure how he's tilting in the first hand but guess it could be from different game, still snappity snap fold for me first hand of a DYM.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    snap call
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited January 2012
    Dont mind either tbh.

    If you rolled for lvl and are happy that this is going to be a flip most often i take it, pretty much guarenteeing cash.

    If your playing above your lvl I can understand waiting for a better spot.

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul):
    Dont mind either tbh. If you rolled for lvl and are happy that this is going to be a flip most often i take it, pretty much guarenteeing cash. If your playing above your lvl I can understand waiting for a better spot.
    Posted by AMYBR
    You need 55% minimum to break even, if you know it's a flip you have to fold, plus this early it's never guarenteed to cash trust me. 
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2012
    I'd call.

    Put a rough range into stove and got 60% against it.

    Add in a couple of totally random hands, (at random), and it goes up to around 63%.

    Having his skope stats handy would help.

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    btw if anyone thinks that this shove by him is never AA/KK/QQ we go up to 68.5%. If that's your read/instincts then snappitoffffff.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul):
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : You need 55% minimum to break even, if you know it's a flip you have to fold, plus this early it's never guarenteed to cash trust me. 
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    As said if rolled then flipping isnt a huge issue.  If we perceive its a flip + can factor in potential steam/frustration shoves w smaller pp's it can be fine.  OP'ster never said he was a micro managed dym grinder that rigorously crunches the numbers.

    Obv winning the hand doesnt guarentee the cash, but it sets us in very good stead to do so....
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012

    We can call versus this range 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+  (12%)

     

    imo

     

    o skope is bad over 148 games though :()

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  • gracie24gracie24 Member Posts: 227
    edited January 2012
    Always play prperly for practice if nothing else and you must fold - as you would if it were a £1000 dym. The money should not matter.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul):
    I'd call. Put a rough range into stove and got 60% against it. Add in a couple of totally random hands, (at random), and it goes up to around 63%. Having his skope stats handy would help. ----------------------------------- btw if anyone thinks that this shove by him is never AA/KK/QQ we go up to 68.5%. If that's your read/instincts then snappitoffffff.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I'd personally want more than 60% this early, yes 60% is a good cash % longterm but even winning doesn't mean we cash 100% of the time in this DYM, and add in the fact I believe I have an edge in the game (why else would you play?) and we have another reason to not take a big risk this early.

    Also FWIW most of my advice stems from JC's blog where he mentions folding JJ/AK to a 4bet or 3bet infront of you, obviously that doesn't include an open shove 1st hand but I'd imagine it would fit into the same general area. 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul):
    In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : I'd personally want more than 60% this early, yes 60% is a good cash % longterm but even winning doesn't mean we cash 100% of the time in this DYM, and add in the fact I believe I have an edge in the game (why else would you play?) and we have another reason to not take a big risk this early. Also FWIW most of my advice stems from JC's blog where he mentions folding JJ/AK to a 4bet or 3bet infront of you, obviously that doesn't include an open shove 1st hand but I'd imagine it would fit into the same general area. 
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Really doesn't surprise me that you say FOLD )
    Open shoving 1st hand is just like WTF, imo I think it's the easiest call ever but hey ho
    If we can pick spots where we are 60% or /> than surely we should snap these

    anyhow when are you playing the £5 level Dude, I am trying it out at the moment - see how long it takes before I get bored - ran KK into AA twice now after a bright start - /avoid me please cause I am shoving ATC into you m8'ty )

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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited January 2012
    fold
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  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr Member Posts: 148
    edited January 2012
    Id want to get a feel for his hands at showdown so think i get rid looking for a better spot.

    Much rather shove than call it off as a rule.
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited January 2012
    1) I would quickly scope him

    2)After seeing he's a fish try and figure out whether he's an idiot who gamble-shoves weak hands, or has no idea about getting value with AA KK etc (There a quite a few players who'll just shove stong hands hoping for a call!)

    If they were a semi-regular player, I would SNAPPPP it off for very valuable info.

    They havn't logged many games though :/ I still probably call as a fish's range is bound to be wide
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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited January 2012
    never ever calling here.  Snap folding qq aswell.
    Kings . welll .... then we have a decision.
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