Nah that's just standard station play, I had one myself posted in BBV, guy L/C's raise pre w/KK, they're great when you flop big in the BB and they can't fold .
In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : I actually wouldn't take a 70/30 in the first hand of a DYM if I knew I was only 70/30 to win the hand. I can find better spots later on to take down pots uncontested, or get my money in as a bigger favourite. In a 70/30, I lose 30% of the time, obviously. So when I win the hand, I then have to cash about 78.5% of the time thereafter, or else I'm a losing player. Will I win 78.5% of the time after doubling up? Another example of why I'd fold - At £3.30, I cash 2/3rds of the time. If I was playing in that game, would I want to take a 70/30 first hand in a game where I feel I have a massive edge and I'm expecting to win 67% of the time? Posted by EvilPingu
As i said in initial post, folding or calling, for variety of reasons can be fine.
But If your refusing this flip believing your 70/30 then its bad.
We refuse to get it in with significant edge, counting on cashing through playing less risk spots. That assumption can easily be a mistake.
If we think its a flip at best folding is obv fine. But not with sign edge May aswell fold A's to 6's as they win 1/5
Rake in DYMs mean that you have to be winning 55% of your games to break even. Even if we assume that he is as likely to have a smaller pair as he is to have QQ+ then against over cards you are 55% to win the hand which means that if you make this call and win the hand you must cash just to break even over time since 45% of the time you lose the DYM right there in this hand.
He probably doesn't have a smaller pair. I'd say he either has AK or KK+ so calling here makes you a losing DYM player. This is why I don't play DYMs and think that they are silly ;-)
A more interesting question would be what is the minimum hand that we need to call here? Would you fold KK? Interesting question because if his range for doing this is AK, KK and AA then we are 47%. Adding QQ to his range makes us 57% to it's probably still a fold with KK because even if QQ is in his range then we pretty much have to cash after winning the hand.
Your only calling on what you perceive oppo shoving range to be here If you think range is 55+,A8s+,ATo+,KQs then fold, even though we have 60% equity it's still a fold
If you range oppo wider than what is 10% of shoving range then call but it's very marginal
20% looks like this 33+,A2s+,A4o+,KTs+,KQo and we call, 65% equity but we call with JJ+
Would be nice to see what oppo is shoving here though, if oppo does it 1st hand then will have no problem doing throughout the game - be nice to get some info
Caveat : 'twas a late weekend game. I'm of the opinion it was ATC and that was my thought at the time so call based on that? I still dunno.
Have met the villain again at dyms at same level and he seemed to know what he's doing. Was multi-tabling so didn't get round to asking him.
Maybe just a "grrr" moment. We've all been there, lol.
I think this was a lot tougher than the guys saying easy fold. Loads to consider. It could have been ATC. Which makes it immediate call, surely? But I dunno either.
I folded but could have just have easily called. 20/80 at worse, eh? That's what you forget, even if terrible call, still 20/80. Sounds stupid, that's the worst. I reckon he was steaming, mis-clicked or just drunk. And I'm still not sure what the best move was, lol.
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But If your refusing this flip believing your 70/30 then its bad.
We refuse to get it in with significant edge, counting on cashing through playing less risk spots. That assumption can easily be a mistake.
If we think its a flip at best folding is obv fine. But not with sign edge May aswell fold A's to 6's as they win 1/5
He probably doesn't have a smaller pair. I'd say he either has AK or KK+ so calling here makes you a losing DYM player. This is why I don't play DYMs and think that they are silly ;-)
A more interesting question would be what is the minimum hand that we need to call here? Would you fold KK? Interesting question because if his range for doing this is AK, KK and AA then we are 47%. Adding QQ to his range makes us 57% to it's probably still a fold with KK because even if QQ is in his range then we pretty much have to cash after winning the hand.
If you think range is 55+,A8s+,ATo+,KQs then fold, even though we have 60% equity it's still a fold
If you range oppo wider than what is 10% of shoving range then call but it's very marginal
20% looks like this 33+,A2s+,A4o+,KTs+,KQo and we call, 65% equity but we call with JJ+
Would be nice to see what oppo is shoving here though, if oppo does it 1st hand then will have no problem doing throughout the game - be nice to get some info
Have met the villain again at dyms at same level and he seemed to know what he's doing. Was multi-tabling so didn't get round to asking him.
Maybe just a "grrr" moment. We've all been there, lol.
I think this was a lot tougher than the guys saying easy fold. Loads to consider. It could have been ATC. Which makes it immediate call, surely? But I dunno either.
I folded but could have just have easily called. 20/80 at worse, eh? That's what you forget, even if terrible call, still 20/80. Sounds stupid, that's the worst. I reckon he was steaming, mis-clicked or just drunk. And I'm still not sure what the best move was, lol.
You gotta love poker, eh?