In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : Really doesn't surprise me that you say FOLD ) Open shoving 1st hand is just like WTF, imo I think it's the easiest call ever but hey ho If we can pick spots where we are 60% or /> than surely we should snap these anyhow when are you playing the £5 level Dude, I am trying it out at the moment - see how long it takes before I get bored - ran KK into AA twice now after a bright start - /avoid me please cause I am shoving ATC into you m8'ty ) Posted by rancid
Have decided to grind the £3.30 level till I have 40 BI's for £5.50, using JC's 22 BI idea just wasn't working .
As for this hand having seen SHANXTA's and 1267's answers I'm glad to see I was right .
In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : Have decided to grind the £3.30 level till I have 40 BI's for £5.50, using JC's 22 BI idea just wasn't working . As for this hand having seen SHANXTA's and 1267's answers I'm glad to see I was right . Posted by Dudeskin8
You just say fold to every single dym spot tho so you're bound to get a few right, law of averages :P
Think calling is still a winning play also though assuming we got 60% eq.
Even against a player who does this with any two, I fold. I don't even want to be up against garbage like Q4o, I'll only win 70% of the time against Kx, Qx, so even when they don't get lucky against me, I still have to cash around 80% of the time thereafter, just to be break even.
Also, I'd imagine that this'll be AA/KK played badly just as often as you're against junk, so snap fold.
FWIW, AK, and QQ is also a snap fold IMO here, KK is marginal.
In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : You just say fold to every single dym spot tho so you're bound to get a few right, law of averages :P Think calling is still a winning play also though assuming we got 60% eq. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
LOL fare point but it's just all down to risk aversion. I admit of late though I have been making more brave calls espeically after Rancids little spurt of threads a few weeks back but in this particular hand there is just no decision like I previoulsy put.
If oppo shoving range is 12% or /> than ICM wiz is telling me to call if oppo's to act behind only call with KK/AA 4%
My initial response was to snap call because open shovers like this are imo always weak ATC gamble numpties plus oppo has bad scope over 148 games - so JJ+ is a snap for me - but AK is a fold
I cant pretend that I'm a dym master but dont fully get the risk averse line.
Someone here is saying they wont take the J's vs Q4 and other garbage. Thats like saying you refuse to take K's vs AK.
We are getting our chips in regardless, rarely better than 75/25 unless we are waiting for nut flops constantly, which just isnt happening.
If playing huge volume of DYMs number crunching is going to be important. But we are always going to be getting money in with risk. Betting streets with tptk vs tpwk doesnt offer much better than 75/25 87/13 so why refuse that kind of flip pre. We can punish through streets with edge, but have to feel flipping pre is fine in those spots also
I get the principle. DYM is our least risk game. But getting it in with favourable edge is plainly profitable over volume, eliminates player and puts us on solid ground to cash.
In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : Have decided to grind the £3.30 level till I have 40 BI's for £5.50, using JC's 22 BI idea just wasn't working . As for this hand having seen SHANXTA's and 1267's answers I'm glad to see I was right . Posted by Dudeskin8
Ok, I am trying 20 bi's at £5.50 - Ok start, c how I go......................
In Response to Re: DYM decision (Warning : This defines your soul) : Excel.... Posted by Dudeskin8
Hijack! )
Yes I use it, only track my MTT/SNG with scope and then enter into excel, this works out my cash profit and loss Then I can see per format where I am winning or losing money
I cant pretend that I'm a dym master but dont fully get the risk averse line. Someone here is saying they wont take the J's vs Q4 and other garbage. Thats like saying you refuse to take K's vs AK. We are getting our chips in regardless, rarely better than 75/25 unless we are waiting for nut flops constantly, which just isnt happening. If playing huge volume of DYMs number crunching is going to be important. But we are always going to be getting money in with risk. Betting streets with tptk vs tpwk doesnt offer much better than 75/25 87/13 so why refuse that kind of flip pre. We can punish through streets with edge, but have to feel flipping pre is fine in those spots also I get the principle. DYM is our least risk game. But getting it in with favourable edge is plainly profitable over volume, eliminates player and puts us on solid ground to cash. Myeh JC and Shanxta know best Posted by AMYBR
what equity do you think we have here then? do you really think it's as good as 75%?
hells no. That post was refering entirely to posters comments relating to not being willing to race J's vs Q4 and hands of that type. Posted by AMYBR
I actually wouldn't take a 70/30 in the first hand of a DYM if I knew I was only 70/30 to win the hand. I can find better spots later on to take down pots uncontested, or get my money in as a bigger favourite.
In a 70/30, I lose 30% of the time, obviously. So when I win the hand, I then have to cash about 78.5% of the time thereafter, or else I'm a losing player. Will I win 78.5% of the time after doubling up?
Another example of why I'd fold - At £3.30, I cash 2/3rds of the time. If I was playing in that game, would I want to take a 70/30 first hand in a game where I feel I have a massive edge and I'm expecting to win 67% of the time?
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If oppo shoving range is 12% or /> than ICM wiz is telling me to call if oppo's to act behind only call with KK/AA 4%
My initial response was to snap call because open shovers like this are imo always weak ATC gamble numpties
plus oppo has bad scope over 148 games -
so JJ+ is a snap for me - but AK is a fold
anyways
folding can never be bad can it
Someone here is saying they wont take the J's vs Q4 and other garbage. Thats like saying you refuse to take K's vs AK.
We are getting our chips in regardless, rarely better than 75/25 unless we are waiting for nut flops constantly, which just isnt happening.
If playing huge volume of DYMs number crunching is going to be important. But we are always going to be getting money in with risk. Betting streets with tptk vs tpwk doesnt offer much better than 75/25 87/13 so why refuse that kind of flip pre. We can punish through streets with edge, but have to feel flipping pre is fine in those spots also
I get the principle. DYM is our least risk game. But getting it in with favourable edge is plainly profitable over volume, eliminates player and puts us on solid ground to cash.
Myeh JC and Shanxta know best
Ok start, c how I go......................
Hijack! )
Yes I use it, only track my MTT/SNG with scope and then enter into excel, this works out my cash profit and loss
Then I can see per format where I am winning or losing money
suits me sir )
Guess I'll see where I am after 100,000 hands at NL10 :S
That post was refering entirely to posters comments relating to not being willing to race J's vs Q4 and hands of that type.