In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : One or two might even call you if you make it 10x. In which case, over time, you'll make even more money. Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : True, but he did a great deal more than most realise. He invented the first, practical, slimline hand-held calculator, (the "Sinclair Executive"), the first affordable home PC - the Sinclair Z80 - then, later, the ZX Spectrum. He also developed & patented the "A-Bike", the forerunner of foldaway bicycles. He's a Member of MENSA, too, in fact he was MENSA Chairman for 15 years or more. We are just having a little fun here, you understand, but I do find it offensive to see people called "idiots" or whatever - it's often far worse - just because they do not excel at poker. Being a lesser skilled poker player does not make them an idiot. We all have strengths & weaknesses, & it behoves us to look in the mirror before berating others. IMO, anyway..... Posted by Tikay10
I have posted so many times on the Forum about some of the remarks that are aimed at players, and yes the remarks are at times way over the top. If the people who make those over the top remarks are not enjoying playing poker then perhaps they should find somethine else 2 do with there spare time, for me playing poker is fun and the day that stops then i will give up.
omg tks banging on about calculators...just messing still love ya and btw as iv got your attention does sky plan for any more omaha tournaments as im loving that right now. Also i appologise for my choice of wording i wasnt singling out anyone in particular. I know what your saying play your big hands strongly but i find unless im all in pre flop i just cant shake the field off no matter how big i raise. Could a good tactic to use at these levels as you say most players dont lay down top pair at this level be. Try and get in as cheaply as possible and play nut ace flush hands ie and ace with another card of the same suit or suited connectors and play down the streets and exploit players this way whilst calculating situitions as i am a good at reading hands post flop? This is the method iv learnt to use in omaha in the short time iv been playing it and i win a few and go very deep in MTTS on other sites?? Could this work?
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : One or two might even call you if you make it 10x. In which case, over time, you'll make even more money. Posted by Tikay10
There was a guy at NL£300 recently that would limp and then call any raise... He would limp for £3 and I was making it £57 and he was still snapcalling. If you can't beat these type of players.. or worse still if you lose one buyin and then feel sorry for yourself... then you really shouldnt be playing poker for money.
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : There was a guy at NL£300 recently that would limp and then call any raise... He would limp for £3 and I was making it £57 and he was still snapcalling. If you can't beat these type of players.. or worse still if you lose one buyin and then feel sorry for yourself... then you really shouldnt be playing poker for money. Posted by simuk
there the situations you just adapt your game and use your reads right? im just saying that when you have a whole table doing that statisicly at least ones going to hit 2 pair etc and have your premium hand crippled on the flop right?
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : there the situations you just adapt your game and use your reads right? im just saying that when you have a whole table doing that statisicly at least ones going to hit 2 pair etc and have your premium hand crippled on the flop right? Posted by adz777
It sounds to me that you are being too timid with your big hands in fear of someone having a big hand..
When this happens the resulting pattern is that you pay them off when they have outflopped you and you are either checking or betting small when you are ahead. You are rarely coming off well long term here...
Just bet big and down every street you think are ahead and reassess as the hands goes on, like if you get raised on the turn etc...
hi adz, i am playing nl4 atm, and am unsure myself as to which is the best stratagy, as raising big pre-flop usually gets respect and they either all fold, frustrating if u r holding kk or aa. or if 1 or 2 call then quite often others then call for value, so back to a multi-way pot again,which we don,t want.
i have also been experimenting with the 3x raise, ie;12p, pre-flop, which i,ve been told should be 5 or even 6x. as i haven,t played enough sessions atm i can,t give a definate answer as to which way works best. although i can say that i have both won and lost playing both ways. early days,but it could be by playing the 3x way, i will probably lose less when i do lose and win less when i do win. only time will tell.
i also think alot is to do with how much you are prepared to gamble. as some players are more than happy getting their money in with a flip or even as the underdog,as they do seem to hit there cards on a regular basis. think you just have to think over time getting in as a slight favourite is the better option. also, don,t we all remember the bad beats against us and forget those we get go for us?
anyway mate, probably run into you at one of those tables sometime.
hi adz, i am playing nl4 atm, and am unsure myself as to which is the best stratagy, as raising big pre-flop usually gets respect and they either all fold, frustrating if u r holding kk or aa. or if 1 or 2 call then quite often others then call for value, so back to a multi-way pot again,which we don,t want. i have also been experimenting with the 3x raise, ie;12p, pre-flop, which i,ve been told should be 5 or even 6x. as i haven,t played enough sessions atm i can,t give a definate answer as to which way works best. although i can say that i have both won and lost playing both ways. early days,but it could be by playing the 3x way, i will probably lose less when i do lose and win less when i do win. only time will tell. i also think alot is to do with how much you are prepared to gamble. as some players are more than happy getting their money in with a flip or even as the underdog,as they do seem to hit there cards on a regular basis. think you just have to think over time getting in as a slight favourite is the better option. also, don,t we all remember the bad beats against us and forget those we get go for us? anyway mate, probably run into you at one of those tables sometime. good luck & best wishes, devon Posted by devonfish5
keep me informed of your findings and yeah hopefully catch you at the tables soon mate
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : It sounds to me that you are being too timid with your big hands in fear of someone having a big hand.. When this happens the resulting pattern is that you pay them off when they have outflopped you and you are either checking or betting small when you are ahead. You are rarely coming off well long term here... Just bet big and down every street you think are ahead and reassess as the hands goes on, like if you get raised on the turn etc... Posted by simuk
its not that im worried pre flop ill happily re raise if i think im dominating someone pre flop its just what happens after that when its like the domino effect. But ill take what you said on board and play down the streets strong maybe thatl pay off for me in the long run. thanks
"In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself." - Confucius.
And there you have it. I'd say that Confucius was a very wise man.
It seems to be inherent in poker players, especially Online, that defeat is always someone else's fault, usually the software - "Sky Poker did me again" sort of thing. In fact, Sky Poker never invented Poker.
There used to be a Ladbrokes Forum, & a Blue Square one, too, & their Forums were exactly the same, blaming the "Ladbrokes river" or the "Blue Square river".
I mean, did you ever hear anything quite so deluded? I feel so sorry for these guys who think like that, but such comments tell us a lot about them, rather than whatever Site they play on.
Never mind, "not my fault" is almost a national diease now.
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : [QUOTE ]"In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself." - Confucius. Posted by bandini
And there you have it. I'd say that Confucius was a very wise man. It seems to be inherent in poker players, especially Online, that defeat is always someone else's fault, usually the software - "Sky Poker did me again" sort of thing. In fact, Sky Poker never invented Poker. There used to be a Ladbrokes Forum, & a Blue Square one, too, & their Forums were exactly the same, blaming the "Ladbrokes river" or the "Blue Square river". I mean, did you ever hear anything quite so deluded? I feel so sorry for these guys who think like that, but such comments tell us a lot about them, rather than whatever Site they play on. Never mind, "not my fault" is almost a national diease now. Posted by Tikay10
Very well put Tikay. I don't mean to sound condescending but I do really feel sorry for these kinda people because they surely cannot enjoy the game when they believe so strongly that 'the system is against them'. I love making money as much as the next person but I primarily play the game for fun, and if I felt like that, I can't see why I'd wanna play.
In Response to Re: what level of cash do i need to play where its actual poker and not 'lotto'? : And there you have it. I'd say that Confucius was a very wise man. It seems to be inherent in poker players, especially Online, that defeat is always someone else's fault, usually the software - "Sky Poker did me again" sort of thing. In fact, Sky Poker never invented Poker. There used to be a Ladbrokes Forum, & a Blue Square one, too, & their Forums were exactly the same, blaming the "Ladbrokes river" or the "Blue Square river". I mean, did you ever hear anything quite so deluded? I feel so sorry for these guys who think like that, but such comments tell us a lot about them, rather than whatever Site they play on. Never mind, "not my fault" is almost a national diease now. Posted by Tikay10
Very well put Tikay. I don't mean to sound condescending but I do really feel sorry for these kinda people because they surely cannot enjoy the game when they believe so strongly that 'the system is against them'. I love making money as much as the next person but I primarily play the game for fun, and if I felt like that, I can't see why I'd wanna play. Posted by Lambert180
Echoes my thoughts precisely. I SO want to sit down with each of them, one on one, & explain how poker works, so that instead of snarling & moaning so much, they found a way to handle what can be, at times, a brutally unfair game. I have no idea how they can enjoy the game, or even why they play it, if they think that way.
I would gladly give up my time, at no cost, to sit & chat with them on a one to one basis, to help them understand.
We are all responsible for our own actions, & it was always so.
adz, i would say nl 30 the game "settles" down a bit. it not easier by a long shot.. the advice to beat the levels getting to this level is spot on.less "erratic" play but better plays, there is a trade off unfortunately.
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i am playing nl4 atm,
and am unsure myself as to which is the best stratagy,
as raising big pre-flop usually gets respect
and they either all fold,
frustrating if u r holding kk or aa.
or if 1 or 2 call then quite often others then call for value,
so back to a multi-way pot again,which we don,t want.
i have also been experimenting with the 3x raise,
ie;12p, pre-flop,
which i,ve been told should be 5 or even 6x.
as i haven,t played enough sessions atm
i can,t give a definate answer as to which way works best.
although i can say that i have both won and lost playing both ways.
early days,but it could be by playing the 3x way,
i will probably lose less when i do lose
and win less when i do win.
only time will tell.
i also think alot is to do with how much you are prepared to gamble.
as some players are more than happy getting their money in
with a flip or even as the underdog,as they do seem to hit there cards
on a regular basis.
think you just have to think over time
getting in as a slight favourite is the better option.
also, don,t we all remember the bad beats against us
and forget those we get go for us?
anyway mate,
probably run into you at one of those tables sometime.
good luck & best wishes,
devon
adjust
tight table - lower your raise size
loose table - increase your raise size
"In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself." - Confucius.
[QUOTE]"In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself." - Confucius.
Posted by bandini
And there you have it. I'd say that Confucius was a very wise man.
It seems to be inherent in poker players, especially Online, that defeat is always someone else's fault, usually the software - "Sky Poker did me again" sort of thing. In fact, Sky Poker never invented Poker.
There used to be a Ladbrokes Forum, & a Blue Square one, too, & their Forums were exactly the same, blaming the "Ladbrokes river" or the "Blue Square river".
I mean, did you ever hear anything quite so deluded? I feel so sorry for these guys who think like that, but such comments tell us a lot about them, rather than whatever Site they play on.
Never mind, "not my fault" is almost a national diease now.
If they "always hit their draw" they must, by definition, be winning players. And that would make them winning players, not "bad" players. Logic ftw.
Why not try it yourself, call every raise with any two? The case would soon be proven......
Posted by Tikay10
Very well put Tikay. I don't mean to sound condescending but I do really feel sorry for these kinda people because they surely cannot enjoy the game when they believe so strongly that 'the system is against them'. I love making money as much as the next person but I primarily play the game for fun, and if I felt like that, I can't see why I'd wanna play.
Posted by Lambert180
Echoes my thoughts precisely. I SO want to sit down with each of them, one on one, & explain how poker works, so that instead of snarling & moaning so much, they found a way to handle what can be, at times, a brutally unfair game. I have no idea how they can enjoy the game, or even why they play it, if they think that way.
I would gladly give up my time, at no cost, to sit & chat with them on a one to one basis, to help them understand.
We are all responsible for our own actions, & it was always so.