Brutal day. Played awful, ran terrible, paid off too light and didn't Vbet the right spots. Played a number of DYMs to grind the points, in ten of them the villain took a flip spot after I shoved, I lost every single one. Funnily enough the one time my shove was into aces I binked, but that was a drop in an all engulfing ocean. Having a nasty month now. Going to try to avoid relegation on Fifa and grind later, confidence at the floor right now.
Yesterday I had my worst day of poker ever. Fab. Today hasn't started much better, probably going to give it a rest until tonight now, got a gig at West Ham anyway.
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Villain 1 looks ok from a limited history. To my recollection I cannot remember them donking the flop ever before this. Villain 2 is a reg, pretty much zero fold to 3bet pre and can call down pretty wide, will chase a draw to the death. Ranges for players 1 and 2 please.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance1 Small blind £1.00 £1.00 £713.22 style2737 Big blind £2.00 £3.00 £1435.29 Your hole cards A A 2 Raise £6.00 £9.00 £274.21 TommyD Raise £20.00 £29.00 £741.92 jakally Fold 1 Call £19.00 £48.00 £694.22 style2737 Fold 2 Call £14.00 £62.00 £260.21 Flop 10 2 8 1 Bet £31.00 £93.00 £663.22 2 Call £31.00 £124.00 £229.21 TommyD Call £31.00 £155.00 £710.92 Turn 5 1 Bet £116.25 £271.25 £546.97 2 Call £116.25 £387.50 £112.96 TommyD Fold River 9 1 Bet £387.50 £775.00 £159.47 2 All-in £112.96 £887.96 £0.00 1 Unmatched bet £274.54 £613.42 £434.01
Its difficult, sb ranges are the easiest to assign to most regs esp when they call a 3-bet it can be super narrow as you are aware, when he donks a standard range i would give him would be jj,qq,mayb99 + sets, i doubt he has a diamond draw you have great blockers for that with ur hand, so ruling out draws, only a fish or a notable maniac would call with suited cards.
Flop plays passively so he may feel good with hands like qq,jj, he prob checks 99s if he had it, and from this point i prob fold just like u did tbh, although no draw came player 1 is definitely betting for value and weighted towards sets but i would not be surprised if he flipped over qq, player 2.. well who knows he may have got there on the river.
:S sorry no real help there, but interesting hand never the less, thanks for sharing.
EDIT: did not factor in that effective stacks are 300+bb, villain 1's range may be wider :S
Its difficult, sb ranges are the easiest to assign to most regs esp when they call a 3-bet it can be super narrow as you are aware, when he donks a standard range i would give him would be jj,qq,mayb99 + sets, i doubt he has a diamond draw you have great blockers for that with ur hand, so ruling out draws, only a fish or a notable maniac would call with suited cards. Flop plays passively so he may feel good with hands like qq,jj, he prob checks 99s if he had it, and from this point i prob fold just like u did tbh, although no draw came player 1 is definitely betting for value and weighted towards sets but i would not be surprised if he flipped over qq, player 2.. well who knows he may have got there on the river. :S sorry no real help there, but interesting hand never the less, thanks for sharing. EDIT: did not factor in that effective stacks are 300+bb, villain 1's range may be wider :S Posted by WHOAMI196
At the time I couldn't see him donking the flop with JJ or QQ, two hands I can see him flatting OOP to a 3bet. I called to reassess and felt he was pretty happy with his hand after leading again into two people. I expected to see TT at showdown. However I didn't see that hand.
The fact I have Ad I think sucks more than helps IMO. AdXd would be something I can see maybe leading with on flop and turn, and he can't have that. In game player 1 was the only one I was worried about, if it was me and player 2 all of the money would have gotten in and I would have been quite happy about it.
In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : At the time I couldn't see him donking the flop with JJ or QQ, two hands I can see him flatting OOP to a 3bet. I called to reassess and felt he was pretty happy with his hand after leading again into two people. I expected to see TT at showdown. However I didn't see that hand. The fact I have Ad I think sucks more than helps IMO. AdXd would be something I can see maybe leading with on flop and turn, and he can't have that. In game player 1 was the only one I was worried about, if it was me and player 2 all of the money would have gotten in and I would have been quite happy about it. Thoughts on raising the flop? Posted by TommyD
true that.
its hard to put villain on a worse hand than AA when he continues on the turn, it doesn't look like QdJd or some other combo draw, on the flop he half pots it, turn he makes it exactly 3/4 of the pot, and when people use the betting tabs it seems kinda strong, its as if he doesn't care of the amount he bets and just wants to get his money in.
I am not sure about raising the flop because you haven't seen him donk lead the flop before! he leads into a guy who never folds! and a aggressive player who has made a strong three bet pre! although saying all this his half pot flop bet looks strangely weak, but i take your line here i think tommy.
Brutal day. Played awful, ran terrible, paid off too light and didn't Vbet the right spots. Played a number of DYMs to grind the points, in ten of them the villain took a flip spot after I shoved, I lost every single one. Funnily enough the one time my shove was into aces I binked, but that was a drop in an all engulfing ocean. Having a nasty month now. Going to try to avoid relegation on Fifa and grind later, confidence at the floor right now. P/L: -£1792.46 C4P: 7653 Tomorrow starts Operation Get Back Even. Posted by TommyD
I stopped playing dyms about 3 months ago. I feel i had been playing them wrong and shoving too wide in a dym were it would be a standard spot to shove in a tournament. eg shipping 14 bigs with 55,66 etc. Personally i dont play them at all any more as i got frustrated with them and dont see them as real poker. For me to play a dym correctly i suppose i would have to turn into a nit lol. Yet every time even tho i would lose with the standard shove in an mtt i would do the same shove again even tho it is probably wrong in a dym.
I stopped playing dyms about 3 months ago. I feel i had been playing them wrong and shoving too wide in a dym were it would be a standard spot to shove in a tournament. eg shipping 14 bigs with 55,66 etc. Personally i dont play them at all any more as i got frustrated with them and dont see them as real poker. For me to play a dym correctly i suppose i would have to turn into a nit lol. Yet every time even tho i would lose with the standard shove in an mtt i would do the same shove again even tho it is probably wrong in a dym. Posted by bearlyther
As you said Bearly, they suit a certain type of player. Good luck with them Tommy!!!
In Response to Re: Many Rivers To Cross. A Diary. : As you said Bearly, they suit a certain type of player. Good luck with them Tommy!!! Posted by MattBates
Nicely played. Are you going to have a go at working out the hand I posted or are there too many BBs involved for you MR MTT?
at least then you should only have one villain to face. sure they can come over the top and you have to decide whether they have it or not, but at least you should be 1-on-1 by then. (I know I'm not in your league TD but sometimes a newbies view may be of use, maybe, sometimes, no....). But what do I know - I managed to bet 5400 to open the betting in a rebuy tonight when the blinds wee 100/200 - I blame the keyboard. (which I folded to a 9600 aipf - 99<QQ never good)
PS given your style mr D, I would have thought you shouldn't be playing too many tables at the same time. ABC players can play 20+ maybe (although I still don't know how they manage it) but given your more exotic play I would have thought fewer tables and more focus might be necessary.
good on you for posting - warts and all - it really is good to see how even the gods can run bad for a while
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P/L: -£1792.46
C4P: 7653
Tomorrow starts Operation Get Back Even.
Throwing this hand up for you. Tell me your line and comment away.
Villain 1 looks ok from a limited history. To my recollection I cannot remember them donking the flop ever before this. Villain 2 is a reg, pretty much zero fold to 3bet pre and can call down pretty wide, will chase a draw to the death. Ranges for players 1 and 2 please.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance1 Small blind £1.00 £1.00 £713.22 style2737 Big blind £2.00 £3.00 £1435.29 Your hole cards A A 2 Raise £6.00 £9.00 £274.21 TommyD Raise £20.00 £29.00 £741.92 jakally Fold 1 Call £19.00 £48.00 £694.22 style2737 Fold 2 Call £14.00 £62.00 £260.21 Flop 10 2 8 1 Bet £31.00 £93.00 £663.22 2 Call £31.00 £124.00 £229.21 TommyD Call £31.00 £155.00 £710.92 Turn 5 1 Bet £116.25 £271.25 £546.97 2 Call £116.25 £387.50 £112.96 TommyD Fold River 9 1 Bet £387.50 £775.00 £159.47 2 All-in £112.96 £887.96 £0.00 1 Unmatched bet £274.54 £613.42 £434.01
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The fact I have Ad I think sucks more than helps IMO. AdXd would be something I can see maybe leading with on flop and turn, and he can't have that. In game player 1 was the only one I was worried about, if it was me and player 2 all of the money would have gotten in and I would have been quite happy about it.
Thoughts on raising the flop?
You on xbox or ps3 ?
at least then you should only have one villain to face. sure they can come over the top and you have to decide whether they have it or not, but at least you should be 1-on-1 by then. (I know I'm not in your league TD but sometimes a newbies view may be of use, maybe, sometimes, no....). But what do I know - I managed to bet 5400 to open the betting in a rebuy tonight when the blinds wee 100/200 - I blame the keyboard. (which I folded to a 9600 aipf - 99<QQ never good)
PS given your style mr D, I would have thought you shouldn't be playing too many tables at the same time. ABC players can play 20+ maybe (although I still don't know how they manage it) but given your more exotic play I would have thought fewer tables and more focus might be necessary.
good on you for posting - warts and all - it really is good to see how even the gods can run bad for a while