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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    Hi Tikay, if you get a moment can you look at this thread here and if you think it's a worthwhile idea pass it on to someone who might be able to do something with it? Thanks, Aaron.
    Posted by Machka
    Done.
  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,647
    edited August 2010
    1)Why are all the sats for the DTD SPT final rebuys apart from the semi final?

    2)Why has it been opened up immediately for high rollers to buy in direct which does discriminate against the smaller bank roll players?

    Afternoon Tikay. The above two questions have been copied from the master cash thread from last night. I will now try to elaborate on my questions to hopefully put my point of view across with more substance.

    1) REBUYS- yes, I understand Sky Poker needs to use this wherever possible..... but on a satellite to the biggest FREEZEOUT tournament players are likely to play?. You can KO someone in these, who can then rebuy and KO you. It honestly does not make sense IMHO and I hope Sky Poker will consider running some freezeout sats, along side these if necessary, to enable players to try and qualify with a choice of games.

    2) DIRECT BUY INS- I am not totally against these and can understand why Sky Poker has done it so soon so seats get filled quicker. My problem is that I feel there should of been a reasonable time frame for sats for the average bank rolled player to try and qualify before just opening up direct buy ins. A larger bank rolled player has two opportunities to get a final seat - try to qualify through sats, and if that fails, just buy in direct because they CAN afford it. The smaller bank rolled player HAS TO attempt to qualify through the sats.

    I hope this has not come across as just another rant at Sky Poker. I am genuinely trying to represent the 'average' player on here and voice my concerns.

    Incidentally, and not related, I cashed in a $1 entry MTT on another site last night which I forgot I had money still in my account! Happy days. I will leave my next Sunday sermon on late registrations, hand for hand and time banks for another week.

    Cheers,

    Alan
  • SUPERNOVASUPERNOVA Member Posts: 403
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    1)Why are all the sats for the DTD SPT final rebuys apart from the semi final? 2)Why has it been opened up immediately for high rollers to buy in direct which does discriminate against the smaller bank roll players? Afternoon Tikay. The above two questions have been copied from the master cash thread from last night. I will now try to elaborate on my questions to hopefully put my point of view across with more substance. 1) REBUYS - yes, I understand Sky Poker needs to use this wherever possible..... but on a satellite to the biggest FREEZEOUT tournament players are likely to play?. You can KO someone in these, who can then rebuy and KO you. It honestly does not make sense IMHO and I hope Sky Poker will consider running some freezeout sats, along side these if necessary, to enable players to try and qualify with a choice of games. 2) DIRECT BUY INS - I am not totally against these and can understand why Sky Poker has done it so soon so seats get filled quicker. My problem is that I feel there should of been a reasonable time frame for sats for the average bank rolled player to try and qualify before just opening up direct buy ins. A larger bank rolled player has two opportunities to get a final seat - try to qualify through sats, and if that fails, just buy in direct because they CAN afford it. The smaller bank rolled player HAS TO attempt to qualify through the sats. I hope this has not come across as just another rant at Sky Poker. I am genuinely trying to represent the 'average' player on here and voice my concerns. Incidentally, and not related, I cashed in a $1 entry MTT on another site last night which I forgot I had money still in my account! Happy days. I will leave my next Sunday sermon on late registrations , hand for hand and time banks for another week. Cheers, Alan
    Posted by MAXALLY

    +1
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010

    Hi Alan,

    Really, I'm not supposed to reply to these questions, as they are within the remit of "Customer Care", but I'll have a go. We do put a lot of thought into all these decisions, fwiw, although I'm sure not all the decisions come out right first time.

    Rebuy Sats for the SPT Grand Final.

    As I understand it the question was asked earlier by someone else, & Sky-Adam replied that there were no plans to introduce Freezeout Satellites EXCEPT for the existing Semi-Finals, which will remain as Freezeouts. His reply suggested it was a policy decision, & as Adam is in charge of such things, I can't comment further - it's his train set, so to speak.

    Direct Buy-Ins to the Grand Final.

    I'm pleased to see you begin with "I am not totally against these, & can see what Sky Poker have done it". You will know, of course, that I of all people do not like to see those with smaller bankrolls discriminated against

    I don't actually see the problem at all, to be quite honest.

    1) When we were planning & discussing the Grand Final programme, including Satellites & Buy-Ins, the question arose - "should Direct Buy-Ins be allowed from Day One?". It was pretty much universally agreed that it would not pose any foreseeable problem.

    2) We utilise "history" to help make decisions. We were well short of Grand Final Runners in 2009 entering the week of the Event, & last minute Directs were allowed. Frankly, it was an administrative nightmare, with poker players thrusting money into our hands left right & centre in a typical (for poker players) last minute scramble. We want to avoid that this year, because we should learn from the past & do things better.

    3) There are far more seats available this year, so a bigger ask to sell them all. More seats? Sort of, yes. Last year, the individual Legs all had 9 or 10 Free Entries to the Grand Final, hence 45 or 50 Seats had gone before Registration had even opened. This year, only the top three in each Leg were awarded a Grand Final Seats, = 5 x 3 = 15. So that's 30 or 35 extra seats compared to last year that are available.

    4) The Grand Final clashes with a whole bunch of Live Poker Events, & many players who would otherwise have played our Event will now be elsewhere. When we selected the date & advised the Poker Media, it was empty. Now it clashes with....

    British Master Poker Tour, Teeside.

    UKIPT, Dublin

    GUKPT, Brighton

    English Open, Palm Beach, Mayfair.

    So filling the Event will be quite a challenge, though I'm sure it will fill. Come what may, the £25,000 Guarantee will be honoured, & personally, I expect the final Prize Pool to be a great deal more than that - maybe as much as double. 

    5) What if all 200 seats sell out early? As I've Posted several times already, we will simply open up more seat availability. DTD have a capacity of something like 450 on "normal" weekends (they can manage more, actually), & we asked them to plan on the basis of 200 runners. If we need 220, or 250, or 300 seats, they will be made available. Given the competition elsewhere that weekend, that's highly unlikely, imo. 

    6) We now have 54 registrations, exactly in line with forecast, the early rush was to be expected, & it will settle down now to, imo, much lower numbers feeding through week by week.

    I hope that allays your concerns.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010

    "....I will leave my next Sunday sermon on late registrations, hand for hand and time banks for another week....".

    To save time, I can update you now.

    Late Registrations.

    These will, I think, come sooner rather than later, but it's not at the very top of the priority list. They are in the Development schedule. I'm not sure I agree with them, but I'm ambivelant really, over time, industry data shows that it makes very little difference to Prize Pools overall.

    Hand for Hand.

    As poker players on the whole seem to lack a sense of fair play & seek to eke out any advantage they can, fair or not, I agree personally that H4H ought to be a component of Sky Poker. I have made my view known, & I'm sure other players have & will. Not much I can say beyond that. For the avoidance of doubt, I do agree that it would be preferable to have it, though I'll not lose any sleep over it either way, as it does not affect many of us very often.

    Time Banks

    I have no idea what the Company thinking is, & as I'm personally opposed to extending the time allowed for decisions - people will abuse it however long it is - so I have never raised the issue with those upstairs. The current "time allowed" seems more than adequate to me, although I'm aware that many players would prefer a little longer. I've seen & used Time Banks in a few Online Rooms, & they get shamelessly abused without fail. Think lowest common denominator.

    Anyone, of course, should, & is indeed encouraged, to make suggestions for improvements to the Site. But this thread is not designed for it, & I'll get a slap round the chops if they see me dealing with these issues.

    Adam Harmer, who heads up Product, went to Swansea specifically to make himself available for Product Questions, & he offered demonstrations of the new Download Client there, too. Did you manage to chat with him? Lovely chap - bit Northern, but otherwise reasonably normal.   

     
  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,647
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    Hi Alan, Really, I'm not supposed to reply to these questions, as they are within the remit of "Customer Care", but I'll have a go. We do put a lot of thought into all these decisions, fwiw, although I'm sure not all the decisions come out right first time. Rebuy Sats for the SPT Grand Final. As I understand it the question was asked earlier by someone else, & Sky-Adam replied that there were no plans to introduce Freezeout Satellites EXCEPT for the existing Semi-Finals, which will remain as Freezeouts. His reply suggested it was a policy decision, & as Adam is in charge of such things, I can't comment further - it's his train set, so to speak. Direct Buy-Ins to the Grand Final. I'm pleased to see you begin with " I am not totally against these, & can see what Sky Poker have done it". You will know, of course, that I of all people do not like to see those with smaller bankrolls discriminated against .  I don't actually see the problem at all, to be quite honest. 1) When we were planning & discussing the Grand Final programme, including Satellites & Buy-Ins, the question arose - " should Direct Buy-Ins be allowed from Day One ?". It was pretty much universally agreed that it would not pose any foreseeable problem. 2) We utilise "history" to help make decisions. We were well short of Grand Final Runners in 2009 entering the week of the Event, & last minute Directs were allowed. Frankly, it was an administrative nightmare, with poker players thrusting money into our hands left right & centre in a typical (for poker players) last minute scramble. We want to avoid that this year, because we should learn from the past & do things better. 3) There are far more seats available this year, so a bigger ask to sell them all. More seats? Sort of, yes. Last year, the individual Legs all had 9 or 10 Free Entries to the Grand Final, hence 45 or 50 Seats had gone before Registration had even opened. This year, only the top three in each Leg were awarded a Grand Final Seats, = 5 x 3 = 15. So that's 30 or 35 extra seats compared to last year that are available. 4) The Grand Final clashes with a whole bunch of Live Poker Events, & many players who would otherwise have played our Event will now be elsewhere. When we selected the date & advised the Poker Media, it was empty. Now it clashes with.... British Master Poker Tour, Teeside. UKIPT, Dublin GUKPT, Brighton English Open, Palm Beach, Mayfair. So filling the Event will be quite a challenge, though I'm sure it will fill. Come what may, the £25,000 Guarantee will be honoured, & personally, I expect the final Prize Pool to be a great deal more than that - maybe as much as double.  5) What if all 200 seats sell out early? As I've Posted several times already, we will simply open up more seat availability. DTD have a capacity of something like 450 on "normal" weekends (they can manage more, actually), & we asked them to plan on the basis of 200 runners. If we need 220, or 250, or 300 seats, they will be made available. Given the competition elsewhere that weekend, that's highly unlikely, imo.  6) We now have 54 registrations, exactly in line with forecast, the early rush was to be expected, & it will settle down now to, imo, much lower numbers feeding through week by week. I hope that allays your concerns.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thank you for your in depth reply and I hope others read your responses as there are other players with concerns over this aswell.

    I sense you are towing the company line on a couple of your answers but as Sky Poker are a business, I appreciate that their 1st concern will be to get 'bums on seats' and not host an event like this at a possible loss to themselves in this current economic climate. So I fully understand that but still hope that more and more average bank rolled players get the chance to progress through to the Final in September. It was so refreshing to see so many 'average Joes' doing well in the WSOP main event against the sponsored pro's.That is what is so good about this 'sport' IMO.

    Regards,

    Alan
  • DELTADELTA Member Posts: 639
    edited August 2010

    i thought sky like to recieve gd feedback from there loyal players and pride themselves on listening to players and there concerns.this seems to be falling on deaf ears and the attitude if you dont like ect ect.there is a mass ove players who dont want these rebuys so come on sky give us what we want a simple no nonsence freezeout.regards del

  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,647
    edited August 2010
    Adam Harmer, who heads up Product, went to Swansea specifically to make himself available for Product Questions, & he offered demonstrations of the new Download Client there, too. Did you manage to chat with him? Lovely chap - bit Northern, but otherwise reasonably normal.   

    Yes, I did have a 'quick' chat with him in the smoking 'lounge' but as I was still (somehow) in the tournament with 30 ish left, I could not take him up on his kind offer to see the latest developments. He did make passing reference to southern shandy drinkers though :)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Thank you for your in depth reply and I hope others read your responses as there are other players with concerns over this aswell. I sense you are towing the company line on a couple of your answers but as Sky Poker are a business, I appreciate that their 1st concern will be to get 'bums on seats' and not host an event like this at a possible loss to themselves in this current economic climate. So I fully understand that but still hope that more and more average bank rolled players get the chance to progress through to the Final in September. It was so refreshing to see so many 'average Joes' doing well in the WSOP main event against the sponsored pro's.That is what is so good about this 'sport' IMO. Regards, Alan
    Posted by MAXALLY
    I'm really disappointed that you think that Alan, I thought you knew me better.

    I gave factual replies, & took a lot of time so to do. I also explained that it is not within my remit to answer such questions, & I therefore assumed you'd take my replies at face value, & as the honest replies they were. 
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    Adam Harmer, who heads up Product, went to Swansea specifically to make himself available for Product Questions, & he offered demonstrations of the new Download Client there, too. Did you manage to chat with him ? Lovely chap - bit Northern , but otherwise reasonably normal.    Yes, I did have a 'quick' chat with him in the smoking 'lounge' but as I was still (somehow) in the tournament with 30 ish left, I could not take him up on his kind offer to see the latest developments. He did make passing reference to southern shandy drinkers though :)
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Well Adam is the Gentleman who is responsible for decisions such as Freezeouts v Rebuys, so its a shame you never had time to chat with him. Hopefully, he'll be at Nottingham in September, though.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    i thought sky like to recieve gd feedback from there loyal players and pride themselves on listening to players and there concerns.this seems to be falling on deaf ears and the attitude if you dont like ect ect.there is a mass ove players who dont want these rebuys so come on sky give us what we want a simple no nonsence freezeout.regards del
    Posted by DELTA
    I think that's a little harsh, & unfair, Wayne. "Listening" does not always equate to "agreeing", & no business can be all things to all men.

    In my reply, I did not say "yes" or "no", I spent a lot of time trying to explain the why's & wherefores.

    Either way, I hope to see you in Nottingham next month.

  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,647
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : I'm really disappointed that you think that Alan, I thought you knew me better. I gave factual replies, & took a lot of time so to do. I also explained that it is not within my remit to answer such questions, & I therefore assumed you'd take my replies at face value, & as the honest replies they were. 
    Posted by Tikay10
    I did actually thank you 1st for your in depth reply Tikay. I always speak my mind and apologise if it seemed to come across the wrong way.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : I did actually thank you 1st for your in depth reply Tikay. I always speak my mind and apologise if it seemed to come across the wrong way.
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Thank you Alan.

    I'm not sure how this could be construed as "towing* the company line"....

    "...Hand for Hand.

    As poker players on the whole seem to lack a sense of fair play & seek to eke out any advantage they can, fair or not, I agree personally that H4H ought to be a component of Sky Poker. I have made my view known, & I'm sure other players have & will. Not much I can say beyond that. For the avoidance of doubt, I do agree that it would be preferable to have it....."

    * "Towing" or "toeing"? (as in ..the company line)

    Before MerePedant arrives on the scene, I've always believed it should be "toeing" rather than "towing".

    "toeing" rather as one "toes the oche", as opposed to towing a rope or a car.
  • TRIP5TRIP5 Member Posts: 3,618
    edited August 2010
    5.60 + 1 buy in + 1 add on = +£15 & taking the mick imo. if we have five players who want to play a freezeout for the same combined entry but first place gets through then why should this not be allowed also? We gave chip and a chair a whirl didnt we? Very dischuffed and I love Sky Poker...hence why I want to qualify to DTD!!! Can't afford rebuys as poor vfm...

    Any chance of a stewards enquirey Teek?

    xx
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    5.60 + 1 buy in + 1 add on = +£15 & taking the mick imo. if we have five players who want to play a freezeout for the same combined entry but first place gets through then why should this not be allowed also? We gave chip and a chair a whirl didnt we? Very dischuffed and I love Sky Poker...hence why I want to qualify to DTD!!! Can't afford rebuys as poor vfm... Any chance of a stewards enquirey Teek? xx
    Posted by TRIP5
    Of course, though I cannot predict the outcome.

    I'll send the thread upstairs.

    I have stated what they said previously, but I'll ask again.

    And so.....



  • bigbiker22bigbiker22 Member Posts: 218
    edited August 2010
    Thinking about the re-buys on the sattelites, does this mean that for every 5 re-buys another seat is added to the number available?

    If not where does the money go?

    I cant make DTD on 11th of September as its my skin 'n blisters birthday but I do want to try to get to some SPT games next year if they run.

    I don't like the idea of re-buys so would not play the sats.

    Anyway the cost is a bit above my BR at the moment.

    Any chance of a satellite into the sattelite if you know whatI mean.
    Maybe a 10 handed £1.20 sit 'n go with top 2 getting a seat int he £5.25 satellite? This may help to fill them too.


    Steve
  • TRIP5TRIP5 Member Posts: 3,618
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Of course, though I cannot predict the outcome. I'll send the thread upstairs. I have stated what they said previously, but I'll ask again. And so.....
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thankyou Sir!!! You're Brilliant

    x
  • MadHorseMadHorse Member Posts: 257
    edited August 2010
    Tikay can i just say, I AM LOVING your racing analogys of late

    Superb!
  • lordbobbylordbobby Member Posts: 161
    edited August 2010

    hello tikay as best you can could you tell us if sundays schedule was indicative of the way the show will be from now on as i'm sure people will want to know before they enter and tune in at 8pm sundays whether they will be able to watch the premier tournament of the week... i know you showed some tonight but you know what i mean.

    Thanks,
     Bob

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,802
    edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Ask Tikay?:
    hello tikay as best you can could you tell us if sundays schedule was indicative of the way the show will be from now on as i'm sure people will want to know before they enter and tune in at 8pm sundays whether they will be able to watch the premier tournament of the week... i know you showed some tonight but you know what i mean. Thanks,  Bob
    Posted by lordbobby
    Hi Bob,

    Thank you for your very well-phrased question. I know you & many others are quite angry, so I appreciate your diplomacy.

    And yes, I do know what you mean, if I may paraphrase you.

    The answer?

    Could you please leave it with me for about 48 hours, please, & in the meantime, don't make any assumptions? As soon as I know the answer, the clear answer, I will reply fully.

    Last night, during a break in the Show, I went on Forum & said (words to the effect),,

    "Keep the constructive feedback coming. They ARE listening. TY TY TY".

    That remains the case.

    And DO keep the feedback coming. Bile & vitriol won't help, but almost all of it was solid & constructive stuff. More of the same, please.
     
    Neither 865, or Sky Poker, will stand still, we have to innovate & move forward. But we also have to strike the balance of old & new "just so" with you, our Clients. And we will.

    Thanks.
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