Hello Tikay, i am fairly new on here and i have only been playing for money since November-December time last year. I know you've probably had this a few times on here but due to the fact i am a beginner i am only playing the 2p/4p tables with the odd MTT and a few STT's thrown in (trying to learn the game). I tend to play more cash games than anything as i seem to have a tad more success there (probably break even).
Just to give you a bit more info, i watch channel 865 and also read alot of things on the Clinic boards, and even posted a few times. I have read a few things on the internet and chatted to a few people who play regularly at work and i have an O.K grasp on the game regarding pot odds and position and so on, as well as a lot of tips from experts on the idiot box.
Now then, the problem i have is that when i play micro stakes cash games i have massive problems trying to read alot of the players due to the fact they dont seem to respect the game and will call raises with absolutely anything. I find playing really tight works quite well but i have suffered some horrendous bad beats (i wont bore you with them) when taking on board some of the tips i have learned from watching the top players. I find that i am comfortable on the table but the longer i play the more chance i have of been beaten by a hand that you couldnt possibly put anyone on.
Basically, i have no problem getting my money in when ahead but the lack of fear on these tables seems to catch me out fairly regularly. I dont want to jump up too many levels as i am still learning, dont want to run before i can walk. How do you know when or if to 'up' things? I still make the odd mistake but i tend to know what i have done pretty much straight away. Should i just continue to grind away on the micro tables, which in my opinion has a lot of luck element on them until results get better?
I know i have waffled on a bit (sorry) but i hope i have explained it ok. Ta!
I have been playing poker only for fun! for the past few years, and my results have been like a yo-yo, a couple of months ago, I have been watching you guys n gals on the tv channel, and the tips I have got are wicked!
I placed 1st in a tourny recently and won about £90 which for me, is top!
I have a question for you, which would help me get a lil bit better me thinks...
Q: If you are pretty sure you dont have the best hand, but want to see the hand out to the river card in the hope of hitting that card that you think will win you the hand, what tips do you have on controlling the pot size?
Hi Tikay , im knew to poker (well newish) i dont get this bankroll managment thing. If i only have 10 pounds to put on and play with how am i able to only play 5% or 2%. Do you think im right playing mtt's or would i be better playing the low cash tables? Thanks and hope for a reply soon.
Hi Tikay , im knew to poker (well newish) i dont get this bankroll managment thing. If i only have 10 pounds to put on and play with how am i able to only play 5% or 2%. Do you think im right playing mtt's or would i be better playing the low cash tables? Thanks and hope for a reply soon. Posted by ALWAYZWIN
is 10 pounds a too lower amount to begin with? just been watchin sptv and one guy said if your bank roll is only 20 then you might want to think about trying your luck. im not sure if that is the right advice for me personally. what do you think tky?
If you plan to play poker seriously, then you need to impose Bankroll Management, definitely.
But at Micro-Levels, if you just plan to have a little fun, the rules are different, really.
If £10 is all you can afford, or all you wish to risk, that's fine, but Bankroll Management is tough at those Levels, it does not really work, truth to tell.
If I were you, I'd relax, & enjoy it. Play some 2p-4p cash, or a small DYM, just dabble around, & see if you enjoy it. Poker is a fun game - until losing money starts to hurt.
If you can afford to lose a tenner, enjoy it, it's the price of as few pints, or a night at the cinema. If you can't afford to lose a Tenner, my advice would be don't risk it.
A friend of mine derives more enjoyment from poker than anyone I know. She used to Deposit £25 per month, by Standing Order, on the 1st of every month. When it had gone, she stopped playing until the 1st of next month, rinse repeat. She had no illusions of making money, she felt £25 per month was a reasonable price for a fun hobby.
I met with her about 2 years ago & pointed out a few leaks in her game, mainly position, & serial-calling, never raising, finding soft spots, that sort of thing. She's never deposited a penny since, & has over £300 in her Account now.
Just enjoy the game, & if you have any questions, post them in the Poker clinic, or here. But if losing a tenner is going to hurt, or is more than you can sensibly afford, please don't play poker - you won't enjoy it.
Hiya TK, I have been playing poker only for fun! for the past few years, and my results have been like a yo-yo, a couple of months ago, I have been watching you guys n gals on the tv channel, and the tips I have got are wicked! I placed 1st in a tourny recently and won about £90 which for me, is top! I have a question for you, which would help me get a lil bit better me thinks... Q: If you are pretty sure you dont have the best hand, but want to see the hand out to the river card in the hope of hitting that card that you think will win you the hand, what tips do you have on controlling the pot size? Check call? Bet the draw? Thanks in advance.. Chris Posted by vellam
Hi Vellam.
The answer is "it depends" - upon stack sizes, situation, table dynamic, Tourney or Cash, so many things.
As a default answer, though.......
Check-calling out of a shallow stack can bleed away your stack. What's the plan if we miss on the River? And if we hit, we likely don't get paid, as we have played our draw face-up if we suddenly bet out on the River.
We can put a stopper bet, or blocker bet in, but if he clicks it back, what do we do then?
If I were you, I'd try not to get into this situation on the Turn - make your decision as to what route to take on the FLOP.
Our odds have HALVED by the Turn, the odds have all changed, the Fold Equity has gone, so it's all a bit "too little, too late" now.
Make your decision on the flop, & be the aggressor. We have 2 ways to win now - we can get him to fold, or we can hit our draw. You are controlling the hand then.
Hello Tikay, i am fairly new on here and i have only been playing for money since November-December time last year. I know you've probably had this a few times on here but due to the fact i am a beginner i am only playing the 2p/4p tables with the odd MTT and a few STT's thrown in (trying to learn the game). I tend to play more cash games than anything as i seem to have a tad more success there (probably break even). Just to give you a bit more info, i watch channel 865 and also read alot of things on the Clinic boards, and even posted a few times. I have read a few things on the internet and chatted to a few people who play regularly at work and i have an O.K grasp on the game regarding pot odds and position and so on, as well as a lot of tips from experts on the idiot box. Now then, the problem i have is that when i play micro stakes cash games i have massive problems trying to read alot of the players due to the fact they dont seem to respect the game and will call raises with absolutely anything. I find playing really tight works quite well but i have suffered some horrendous bad beats (i wont bore you with them) when taking on board some of the tips i have learned from watching the top players. I find that i am comfortable on the table but the longer i play the more chance i have of been beaten by a hand that you couldnt possibly put anyone on. Basically, i have no problem getting my money in when ahead but the lack of fear on these tables seems to catch me out fairly regularly. I dont want to jump up too many levels as i am still learning, dont want to run before i can walk. How do you know when or if to 'up' things? I still make the odd mistake but i tend to know what i have done pretty much straight away. Should i just continue to grind away on the micro tables, which in my opinion has a lot of luck element on them until results get better? I know i have waffled on a bit (sorry) but i hope i have explained it ok. Ta! Posted by DrSharp
Hi Doc.
This just boils down to the bit I've enboldend. Just keep getting it in good, & you'll win in the long run. Yes, you'll take beats along the way, of course you will, but anyone who keeps getting it in good, & understand the fundamentals, as you clearly do, will be OK.
You must also challenge all the nonsense you see on Poker Forums about the lower levels being unplayable, & the higher levels easier. That's tosh.
The Lower levels DO play awkwardly, different, but the higher levels have other obstacles - the players tend to be much better, & can afford to lose more, so that makes playing hands easier for them, as they can afford to lose, & you can't.
If you are a recreational player, are enjoying the game, & not losing much, stay right where you are. When you go up Levels, it gets harder & can cost more.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi Doc. This just boils down to the bit I've enboldend. Just keep getting it in good, & you'll win in the long run. Yes, you'll take beats along the way, of course you will, but anyone who keeps getting it in good, & understand the fundamentals, as you clearly do, will be OK. You must also challenge all the nonsense you see on Poker Forums about the lower levels being unplayable, & the higher levels easier. That's tosh. The Lower levels DO play awkwardly, different, but the higher levels have other obstacles - the players tend to be much better, & can afford to lose more, so that makes playing hands easier for them, as they can afford to lose, & you can't. If you are a recreational player, are enjoying the game, & not losing much, stay right where you are. When you go up Levels, it gets harder & can cost more. Posted by Tikay10
Hi Tikay and Doc If I can add to this - over time you will do OK but will have wild swings of winning and losing.. At the 2p/4p levels there are alot more recreational players and those (like me and you Doc) who haven't been playing that long and are on the steep learning curve. You need to make use of the notes facility you can attach to each player so that if you come up against them again you may have some idea of how they play. Your opponents may not "respect" the bet you've made either because they don't recognise it as such or beacuse they are playing for fun and want to gamble. This is what makes it interesting!!?
Hi Tikay, i know how much you like your deep stacks, could we get a few 200NL - 500 NL with a min buyin of 50Bs and a max of 200BB. ie max buy in being 400 on a 1/2 and min being 100.
Hi Tikay, i know how much you like your deep stacks, could we get a few 200NL - 500 NL with a min buyin of 50Bs and a max of 200BB. ie max buy in being 400 on a 1/2 and min being 100. Safe ! Posted by Keysasoze6
Wow, I never thought the legend that is Keysa would be asking ME a poker question!
The answer to your question is, as always, not as simple as one might think, or as easy.
But let me first ask the question of the chaps upstairs, then I'll let you know.
Now, a question from me to you.
I was just perusing the Lobby of tonight's £220 Biggie - I never saw your name on it. Why not?
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Wow, I never thought the legend that is Keysa would be asking ME a poker question! The answer to your question is, as always, not as simple as one might think, or as easy. But let me first ask the question of the chaps upstairs, then I'll let you know. Now, a question from me to you. I was just perusing the Lobby of tonight's £220 Biggie - I never saw your name on it. Why not? Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Women come first poker second :-) if im back in time i will be sure to register. take care you absolute sort ! :-D Posted by Keysasoze6
Thankyou Tikay and Walesboy for the input. Walesboy, i do use the notes but it is a very useful tip for others reading this so again, thankyou.Tikay, I have played on some of the bigger tables (not too big) and done ok to be fair apart from running into one or two big hands at the wrong time. I just have to cut the silly mistakes out and maybe be a tad more disciplined. Anyway, thankyou for taking the time out to reply. I am sure i will be back to ask more questions in the future as i learn. You'll probably be sick of me in a couple of months time!Regards learning the game, are there any good books or websites you can recommend or is it a case of sticking with watching the pros and the poker clinic and the more i play the better i get? In other words, any tips for a beginner already on the 'learning curve' as walesboy put it?
Thankyou Tikay and Walesboy for the input. Walesboy, i do use the notes but it is a very useful tip for others reading this so again, thankyou.Tikay, I have played on some of the bigger tables (not too big) and done ok to be fair apart from running into one or two big hands at the wrong time. I just have to cut the silly mistakes out and maybe be a tad more disciplined. Anyway, thankyou for taking the time out to reply. I am sure i will be back to ask more questions in the future as i learn. You'll probably be sick of me in a couple of months time!Regards learning the game, are there any good books or websites you can recommend or is it a case of sticking with watching the pros and the poker clinic and the more i play the better i get? In other words, any tips for a beginner already on the 'learning curve' as walesboy put it? Posted by DrSharp
I'm a bit out of line with normal thinking here, but personally, no, I would not recommend any books, or Mentoring sites.
Poker tuitions books are toast these days, because all the information we could possibly need is there for us to see, in Poker Clinics, PHA's, etc.
Books worked when there was just Live Poker, which is a very different animal to Online, but 99.9% of all poker hands played these days are Online. Maybe more.
Examine the decisions you make, concentrate, focus, be self-critical, don't be afraid to ask questions, or accept the blame for messing up hands.
One player wrote to me recently, as he was losing money. After some toing & froing, I established that he was 3-Tabling & watching the TV at the same time. I said "if you don't give the game max concentration, you won't play at your best". He wrote back & said, "no, I can manage both". OK mate.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi Vellam. The answer is "it depends" - upon stack sizes, situation, table dynamic, Tourney or Cash, so many things. As a default answer, though....... Check-calling out of a shallow stack can bleed away your stack. What's the plan if we miss on the River? And if we hit, we likely don't get paid, as we have played our draw face-up if we suddenly bet out on the River. We can put a stopper bet, or blocker bet in, but if he clicks it back, what do we do then? If I were you, I'd try not to get into this situation on the Turn - make your decision as to what route to take on the FLOP. Our odds have HALVED by the Turn, the odds have all changed, the Fold Equity has gone, so it's all a bit "too little, too late" now. Make your decision on the flop, & be the aggressor. We have 2 ways to win now - we can get him to fold, or we can hit our draw. You are controlling the hand then. Posted by Tikay10
Thanks for the advice Tikay! good luck on the tables
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : is 10 pounds a too lower amount to begin with? just been watchin sptv and one guy said if your bank roll is only 20 then you might want to think about trying your luck. im not sure if that is the right advice for me personally. what do you think tky? Posted by ALWAYZWIN
thanks for the reply tk, i wouldnt mind a few of those tips you gave her, as a newbie (ish) i need a few pointers.
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Just to give you a bit more info, i watch channel 865 and also read alot of things on the Clinic boards, and even posted a few times. I have read a few things on the internet and chatted to a few people who play regularly at work and i have an O.K grasp on the game regarding pot odds and position and so on, as well as a lot of tips from experts on the idiot box.
Now then, the problem i have is that when i play micro stakes cash games i have massive problems trying to read alot of the players due to the fact they dont seem to respect the game and will call raises with absolutely anything. I find playing really tight works quite well but i have suffered some horrendous bad beats (i wont bore you with them) when taking on board some of the tips i have learned from watching the top players. I find that i am comfortable on the table but the longer i play the more chance i have of been beaten by a hand that you couldnt possibly put anyone on.
Basically, i have no problem getting my money in when ahead but the lack of fear on these tables seems to catch me out fairly regularly. I dont want to jump up too many levels as i am still learning, dont want to run before i can walk. How do you know when or if to 'up' things? I still make the odd mistake but i tend to know what i have done pretty much straight away. Should i just continue to grind away on the micro tables, which in my opinion has a lot of luck element on them until results get better?
I know i have waffled on a bit (sorry) but i hope i have explained it ok. Ta!
Hi Dr Sharp,
I am several Tabling on PTP tonight, so I'll reply tomorrow, if I may.
We can sort it.
I have been playing poker only for fun! for the past few years, and my results have been like a yo-yo, a couple of months ago, I have been watching you guys n gals on the tv channel, and the tips I have got are wicked!
I placed 1st in a tourny recently and won about £90 which for me, is top!
I have a question for you, which would help me get a lil bit better me thinks...
Q: If you are pretty sure you dont have the best hand, but want to see the hand out to the river card in the hope of hitting that card that you think will win you the hand, what tips do you have on controlling the pot size?
Check call?
Bet the draw?
Thanks in advance..
Chris
Hi Tikay , im knew to poker (well newish) i dont get this bankroll managment thing. If i only have 10 pounds to put on and play with how am i able to only play 5% or 2%. Do you think im right playing mtt's or would i be better playing the low cash tables? Thanks and hope for a reply soon.
Morning ALWAYZWIN.
This is a tricky one.
If you plan to play poker seriously, then you need to impose Bankroll Management, definitely.
But at Micro-Levels, if you just plan to have a little fun, the rules are different, really.
If £10 is all you can afford, or all you wish to risk, that's fine, but Bankroll Management is tough at those Levels, it does not really work, truth to tell.
If I were you, I'd relax, & enjoy it. Play some 2p-4p cash, or a small DYM, just dabble around, & see if you enjoy it. Poker is a fun game - until losing money starts to hurt.
If you can afford to lose a tenner, enjoy it, it's the price of as few pints, or a night at the cinema. If you can't afford to lose a Tenner, my advice would be don't risk it.
A friend of mine derives more enjoyment from poker than anyone I know. She used to Deposit £25 per month, by Standing Order, on the 1st of every month. When it had gone, she stopped playing until the 1st of next month, rinse repeat. She had no illusions of making money, she felt £25 per month was a reasonable price for a fun hobby.
I met with her about 2 years ago & pointed out a few leaks in her game, mainly position, & serial-calling, never raising, finding soft spots, that sort of thing. She's never deposited a penny since, & has over £300 in her Account now.
Just enjoy the game, & if you have any questions, post them in the Poker clinic, or here. But if losing a tenner is going to hurt, or is more than you can sensibly afford, please don't play poker - you won't enjoy it.
Take care now.
The answer is "it depends" - upon stack sizes, situation, table dynamic, Tourney or Cash, so many things.
As a default answer, though.......
Check-calling out of a shallow stack can bleed away your stack. What's the plan if we miss on the River? And if we hit, we likely don't get paid, as we have played our draw face-up if we suddenly bet out on the River.
We can put a stopper bet, or blocker bet in, but if he clicks it back, what do we do then?
If I were you, I'd try not to get into this situation on the Turn - make your decision as to what route to take on the FLOP.
Our odds have HALVED by the Turn, the odds have all changed, the Fold Equity has gone, so it's all a bit "too little, too late" now.
Make your decision on the flop, & be the aggressor. We have 2 ways to win now - we can get him to fold, or we can hit our draw. You are controlling the hand then.
This just boils down to the bit I've enboldend. Just keep getting it in good, & you'll win in the long run. Yes, you'll take beats along the way, of course you will, but anyone who keeps getting it in good, & understand the fundamentals, as you clearly do, will be OK.
You must also challenge all the nonsense you see on Poker Forums about the lower levels being unplayable, & the higher levels easier. That's tosh.
The Lower levels DO play awkwardly, different, but the higher levels have other obstacles - the players tend to be much better, & can afford to lose more, so that makes playing hands easier for them, as they can afford to lose, & you can't.
If you are a recreational player, are enjoying the game, & not losing much, stay right where you are. When you go up Levels, it gets harder & can cost more.
If I can add to this - over time you will do OK but will have wild swings of winning and losing.. At the 2p/4p levels there are alot more recreational players and those (like me and you Doc) who haven't been playing that long and are on the steep learning curve. You need to make use of the notes facility you can attach to each player so that if you come up against them again you may have some idea of how they play.
Your opponents may not "respect" the bet you've made either because they don't recognise it as such or beacuse they are playing for fun and want to gamble. This is what makes it interesting!!?
GL
Good Post, Walesy, thank you.
Safe !
go on tikay use ur muscle
The answer to your question is, as always, not as simple as one might think, or as easy.
But let me first ask the question of the chaps upstairs, then I'll let you know.
Now, a question from me to you.
I was just perusing the Lobby of tonight's £220 Biggie - I never saw your name on it. Why not?
if im back in time i will be sure to register.
take care you absolute sort ! :-D
Great excuse - can't argue with that.
Poker tuitions books are toast these days, because all the information we could possibly need is there for us to see, in Poker Clinics, PHA's, etc.
Books worked when there was just Live Poker, which is a very different animal to Online, but 99.9% of all poker hands played these days are Online. Maybe more.
Examine the decisions you make, concentrate, focus, be self-critical, don't be afraid to ask questions, or accept the blame for messing up hands.
One player wrote to me recently, as he was losing money. After some toing & froing, I established that he was 3-Tabling & watching the TV at the same time. I said "if you don't give the game max concentration, you won't play at your best". He wrote back & said, "no, I can manage both". OK mate.