Its done now under the Poker Strategy topic under Players Make your play 1 Hope to get some good feedback of this and sorry if the scenario is a bit rubbish but its my first attempt lol Posted by Spike2120
The scenario is fine. Basically, you could post a hand from a game of snap and you'd be able to get poker players to debate it. Well done on your initiative and good luck.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : The scenario is fine. Basically, you could post a hand from a game of snap and you'd be able to get poker players to debate it. Well done on your initiative and good luck. Posted by MereNovice
thanks Merenovice but like I have said I cant take all the credit I just put the wheels in motion so to speak me and DOHHHH had a discussion about this and it was his initial thinking.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Hi Wilhelm (is that pronounced Wilhelm or Vilhelm?), Yes, that's two fairly quirky hands in close succession. In both of them, you went in slightly behind, caught up, overtook, disappeared into the distance, & then got caught on the line! I am sure you were very disappointed, but it helps if you, remember you were behind pre-flop both times - but not by much. The intracacies that 52 playing cards can throw up can make you throw up if you are that way inclined. I played Live yesterday, & saw (had, actually, it was me) that fairly rare happening of A-A v A-A. It happens, but it's rare. THREE HANDS later, on the same Table, in a 144 runner-comp, we saw it again - A-A v A-A! Never take for granted the beauty of poker, or playing cards, both capable of infiite surprise & delight, but when they tag-team us it's awesome stuff. Posted by Tikay10
I wish I'd have stayed behind, wouldn't have cost as much.
Btw I think I'd like it pronounced Vilhelm, but shan't take offence if pronounced otherwise.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : I wish I'd have stayed behind, wouldn't have cost as much. Btw I think I'd like it pronounced Vilhelm, but shan't take offence if pronounced otherwise. Posted by Wilhelm
...and there you have it - the beauty of poker, if we did but recognize it.
Look on the bright side - you made two players very happy!
Seem to be a lot of bad beat questions on here today. Recently I was working in Coventry and had my 50 ft coach parked in the VIP car park at the Ricoh G casino ! Only 35 mins into a tourny I picked up 44 in the big blind. Probably wouldnt have played them but all limped. Flop was J J 4 so I checked planning to reraise any bet. But before it got back to me there was a large bet , a reraise and a call. I chose to flat call although it was half my stack and the original raiser then called as well. Turn was a 5 making three hearts on board. I had to be in front so I pushed the other half of my stack in, and was followed by all of the other 3 players ! It was like a bad bounty hunter tourny! Cards on their backs revealed J2, JQ, and two hopeful raggy hearts. And of course the river was a queen. An early night allowed plenty of time to consider where I had gone wrong, but I think I have to put it down to the amazing combinations 52 cards can throw up.
Seem to be a lot of bad beat questions on here today. Recently I was working in Coventry and had my 50 ft coach parked in the VIP car park at the Ricoh G casino ! Only 35 mins into a tourny I picked up 44 in the big blind. Probably wouldnt have played them but all limped. Flop was J J 4 so I checked planning to reraise any bet. But before it got back to me there was a large bet , a reraise and a call. I chose to flat call although it was half my stack and the original raiser then called as well. Turn was a 5 making three hearts on board. I had to be in front so I pushed the other half of my stack in, and was followed by all of the other 3 players ! It was like a bad bounty hunter tourny! Cards on their backs revealed J2, JQ, and two hopeful raggy hearts. And of course the river was a queen. An early night allowed plenty of time to consider where I had gone wrong, but I think I have to put it down to the amazing combinations 52 cards can throw up. Posted by penguin7
There it is again......
I had A-A v A-A yesterday, & 5 hands later, it happened again.
With a 9 Seat Final Table, & 10 left, some donk pushed J-6 into 7-7 & door-carded his J. Then he shoved with A-8 slap-bang into A-J. Door card 8. Next, his 5-4 busted A-K, the guy was clueless, but the Poker Gods were on my side. Sorry, I mean his side.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : There it is again...... I had A-A v A-A yesterday, & 5 hands later, it happened again. With a 9 Seat Final Table, & 10 left, some donk pushed J-6 into 7-7 & door-carded his J. Then he shoved with A-8 slap-bang into A-J. Door card 8. Next, his 5-4 busted A-K, the guy was clueless, but the Poker Gods were on my side. Sorry, I mean his side. Posted by Tikay10
THIS EXPLAINS A LOT !!!
Having just been bubbled out of a tourny by someone with 85 offsuit, they must all be learning from you !
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : THIS EXPLAINS A LOT !!! Having just been bubbled out of a tourny by someone with 85 offsuit, they must all be learning from you ! Posted by penguin7
That I doubt.
Here's the thing though.
"On their backs" they go, & A-J man is thrilled to see he's snapped off A-8 man, & 7-7 man loves his chances against J-6. Life is good, poker is great, they've trapped the shover all ends up, bowled him through the gate.
Then the binkage occurs, & suddenly now they don't like the play quite so much......
Can poker players overturn the laws of physics & have their cake & eat it? I don't think so, but to hear the bellyaching you'd think it was their given right for players to make bad plays & lose every time. It don't work that way! 60/40 shots win 6 times in 10, which is very acceptable. They lose 4 times in 10, which is not.
Yeah I see where your coming from Tikay, right now what I am about to say normally would never be admitted by a 19 year old lad. I play bowls, fact, I know what immediately comes to everybodies minds, its an old persons game and I sternly disagree for a start, but that is not what this is about.
Tonight I was talking to my mate from work and I realised there are some commonalities between both that and poker which when discussing it I couldnt understand why mentally my poker game isn't as good as perhaps it could or should be.
The main commonality is that the best player in the world could lose to a total novice, I know perhaps there is more luck in poker than bowls and skill side is a lot higher, but luck is still there, this still happens and also you can't play your best all the time, either in poker your reads are off, or the cards are not in your favour, and in bowls it can just not be your day it happens to us all.
Basically what I am saying, however long winded lol, is that it doesn't matter what you do for a hobbie or a sport for that matter whatever you do there is always gonna be good nights and bad nights well the good nights always feel nice but the bad nights can hurt real bad especially when you feel you did no wrong like penguin said earlier, but at the same time its how you take them falls that defines what kind of player you are, after a bad beat or bad run do you just get angry and lose the lot or do you just say to yourselves (perhaps after a long contemplation and hopefully time from the tables if the case lol) that its just one of those things that happens and if you are a good player if you are skillful in what you do eventually that skill will prevail and you will start winning again. I know both at poker and at bowls I have beated myself up for things just cause it either it weren't my night or I just couldn't do a thing right whatever I tried but at end of the day it happens we just turn it around next time
good luck on tables all, also Penguin I live near the Ricoh arena and the G casino but never been in whats it like mate?
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : That I doubt. Here's the thing though. "On their backs" they go, & A-J man is thrilled to see he's snapped off A-8 man, & 7-7 man loves his chances against J-6. Life is good, poker is great, they've trapped the shover all ends up, bowled him through the gate. Then the binkage occurs, & suddenly now they don't like the play quite so much...... Can poker players overturn the laws of physics & have their cake & eat it? I don't think so, but to hear the bellyaching you'd think it was their given right for players to make bad plays & lose every time. It don't work that way! 60/40 shots win 6 times in 10, which is very acceptable. They lose 4 times in 10, which is not. Posted by Tikay10
Spot on Tikay ! Dont think Ive ever won a big tourny without getting myself into a bad spot at least once and beating the odds. I used to feel guilty,not any more ! It is so easy to slip up and get pot committed and being forced to call knowing you are behind,and some players dont understand how you can do this
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Spot on Tikay ! Dont think Ive ever won a big tourny without getting myself into a bad spot at least once and beating the odds. I used to feel guilty,not any more ! It is so easy to slip up and get pot committed and being forced to call knowing you are behind,and some players dont understand how you can do this Posted by penguin7
Nobody ever has - if you Final in a 100+ runner jobbie, at some stage you got your money in bad.
I deal with with it in my own way. If I got my money in first with spanners, well ultimately the other guy was not forced to Call. Wrong, but it feels better if I tell myself that.
If I make a bad Call, that's much easier to handle - I only have myself to blame, & I beat myself up good & proper. I'll cogitate for days on a bad Call. "Unforced error" usually. This is bad thing.
Many players have trouble accepting the responsibility for a mistake. We live in a blame society.
My car crash was caused by black ice, the Council should have gritted the road.
Wrong. Driver error.
I've been so unlucky, I've been made redundant 7 times.
Thats one way of putting it Tikay and after my scare earlier don't mention black ice to me lol and true a lot of things in are possibly unlucky but more often than not it is unlikely and as with poker some of the times when you feel hard done by if you look back through hands perhaps you will notice patterns where you should have noticed he was strong and folded, but sometimes you do get unlikely
Best thing I feel after my very long stupid explanation that got totally underminded by penguins post lol is to just take the bad times on the chin if you have to walk away for a bit leave it a while and go back to it at a later date.
I will be honest here anyone who played me between I think 11 and 4 this afternoon had a field day lol I was shocking and lost a bit of money in the process but eventually after leaving it 20 mins and still not getting anywhere I gave up, walked away, well got called into work and now I am back and playing well and doing ok chip wise so basically let the bad runs go straight out your mind just think to the positives and with it will come a positive vibe on the tables believe me it works.
Oh and for 75% of that I have Tikay to thank for as his post earlier really made me look at things differently.
Yeah I see where your coming from Tikay, right now what I am about to say normally would never be admitted by a 19 year old lad. I play bowls, fact, I know what immediately comes to everybodies minds, its an old persons game and I sternly disagree for a start, but that is not what this is about. Tonight I was talking to my mate from work and I realised there are some commonalities between both that and poker which when discussing it I couldnt understand why mentally my poker game isn't as good as perhaps it could or should be. The main commonality is that the best player in the world could lose to a total novice, I know perhaps there is more luck in poker than bowls and skill side is a lot higher, but luck is still there, this still happens and also you can't play your best all the time, either in poker your reads are off, or the cards are not in your favour, and in bowls it can just not be your day it happens to us all. Basically what I am saying, however long winded lol, is that it doesn't matter what you do for a hobbie or a sport for that matter whatever you do there is always gonna be good nights and bad nights well the good nights always feel nice but the bad nights can hurt real bad especially when you feel you did no wrong like penguin said earlier, but at the same time its how you take them falls that defines what kind of player you are, after a bad beat or bad run do you just get angry and lose the lot or do you just say to yourselves (perhaps after a long contemplation and hopefully time from the tables if the case lol) that its just one of those things that happens and if you are a good player if you are skillful in what you do eventually that skill will prevail and you will start winning again. I know both at poker and at bowls I have beated myself up for things just cause it either it weren't my night or I just couldn't do a thing right whatever I tried but at end of the day it happens we just turn it around next time good luck on tables all, also Penguin I live near the Ricoh arena and the G casino but never been in whats it like mate? Spike2120 Posted by Spike2120
As you read in my post I was not in there very long ! But it is a super place,bar and restaurant nice, good size poker room and staff good. The tourny registration fee is quite high but you get a dealer at every table unlike some smaller provincial casinos. You should get down there for a night out but my impression is that there are some good players around, so be careful !!! The rest of your post is interesting too.... yes we all go through bad runs, I had six downhill months once. But dont just blame it on bad beats and bad luck, poker is a confidence game, you wont play well if you believe the cards are against you. If you are not playing well take some time out and think it through. Anger and beating yourself up never help. I started out just playing small tournys coz it was the cheapest way to gain more experience and there was never a time when I played with money I couldnt afford to lose. And Ive always stayed at a level im comfortable with even though Ive built a worthwhile bankroll over the last 2 years. I dont need financial pressure on my game, that way the bad nights dont hurt at all ! So play within your bankroll only move up when you are winning consistently and please enjoy the game.. its supposed to be fun !
Penguin the beating myself up bit was mainly on the bowls side of things, I have only been playing poker best part of 8 months only the last what 4 maybe really seriously and only really online and on this site and I do enjoy it alot and bowls is very much a confidence thing as well, which makes it surprising for someone who has played something similar to poker on the mental side since I was 6 years old that trying to get my mental game the same for poker had proved quite difficult, a lot of the time with me I know is I can get frustrated a little with my silly mistakes something I have to just let go but I will learn, I am still young really lol.
As stakes wise I can only afford the lowest stake which I must admit does not bother me in the slightest, poker is poker played at whatever level with whatever stakes and to me it can only slightly be beaten by one thing, but for many years that was all I knew lol, I do have hopes to move up but it will only ever be if my play and bankroll will allow me too
This site has given me something new to try, learn and hopefully I feel I am improving and am getting good at it, thats not saying I am brilliant but that I can hold my own, and most importantly something I love to play, I am doing a maths degree and this allows me to use my maths brain, my competitiveness and my mental thinking all in one, its just great
So don't worry penguin I do enjoy it A LOT and to me it is a lot of fun lol
completely random one but is tikay on facebook? Posted by donkeyplop
Regrettably, yes, I am. But I just don't have time to use it - I last opened it 6 months ago, & even then, there were hundreds of "Friend Requests" awaiting approval. (In the world of Facebook, a "Friend" is not exactly a friend by any reasonable definition!....).
It's in my real name - "Tony Kendall" - & there is also, embarrassingly, a "tikay Appreciation Society" on Facebook. Again, I've not opened that in over a year I don't think.I like to believe that that one was started by admiring & nubile young females.
Really, I just don't have the time to mess around on Facebook, it's a time-sponge, & I'm a little short of time, both in the near term, & long term, if you get my drift. I have Sky Poker, APAT, "the other place", & I need a little time to play poker, schmooze, &, you know, do nocturnal stuff.
In even less words, if you can get 2/1 about an even money shot, get in. If you are only getting evens about a 2/1 shot, muck.
This logic, by the way, is incredibly important in Omaha - MUCH more so than in Omaha. In Hold Em we try to start with made hands (Pairs), in Omaha, we are usually drawing, re-drawing, & even re-re-drawing. Knowing the odds of the various draws & redraws in Omaha is critically important.
thank you for that explanation it makes total sense now think I just needed to see an example however extreme lol to get my head around it fully thank you for that MereNovice.
Considering I have been on this site 8/9 months and only started using the forum seriously about a month if that and I feel in possibly just the last couple of days all thanks to the forum, Tikay and anyone else who has given me advise, I have learnt so much more about poker and looking at it a lot different from what I was and with it is coming better results and me playing a better game
Thank you all and especially Thank you to Tikay and MereNovice!
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Hope to get some good feedback of this and sorry if the scenario is a bit rubbish but its my first attempt lol
Basically, you could post a hand from a game of snap and you'd be able to get poker players to debate it.
Well done on your initiative and good luck.
glad the scenarios ok lol
Btw I think I'd like it pronounced Vilhelm, but shan't take offence if pronounced otherwise.
Look on the bright side - you made two players very happy!
An early night allowed plenty of time to consider where I had gone wrong, but I think I have to put it down to the amazing combinations 52 cards can throw up.
I had A-A v A-A yesterday, & 5 hands later, it happened again.
With a 9 Seat Final Table, & 10 left, some donk pushed J-6 into 7-7 & door-carded his J. Then he shoved with A-8 slap-bang into A-J. Door card 8. Next, his 5-4 busted A-K, the guy was clueless, but the Poker Gods were on my side. Sorry, I mean his side.
Having just been bubbled out of a tourny by someone with 85 offsuit, they must all be learning from you !
Here's the thing though.
"On their backs" they go, & A-J man is thrilled to see he's snapped off A-8 man, & 7-7 man loves his chances against J-6. Life is good, poker is great, they've trapped the shover all ends up, bowled him through the gate.
Then the binkage occurs, & suddenly now they don't like the play quite so much......
Can poker players overturn the laws of physics & have their cake & eat it? I don't think so, but to hear the bellyaching you'd think it was their given right for players to make bad plays & lose every time. It don't work that way! 60/40 shots win 6 times in 10, which is very acceptable. They lose 4 times in 10, which is not.
Tonight I was talking to my mate from work and I realised there are some commonalities between both that and poker which when discussing it I couldnt understand why mentally my poker game isn't as good as perhaps it could or should be.
The main commonality is that the best player in the world could lose to a total novice, I know perhaps there is more luck in poker than bowls and skill side is a lot higher, but luck is still there, this still happens and also you can't play your best all the time, either in poker your reads are off, or the cards are not in your favour, and in bowls it can just not be your day it happens to us all.
Basically what I am saying, however long winded lol, is that it doesn't matter what you do for a hobbie or a sport for that matter whatever you do there is always gonna be good nights and bad nights well the good nights always feel nice but the bad nights can hurt real bad especially when you feel you did no wrong like penguin said earlier, but at the same time its how you take them falls that defines what kind of player you are, after a bad beat or bad run do you just get angry and lose the lot or do you just say to yourselves (perhaps after a long contemplation and hopefully time from the tables if the case lol) that its just one of those things that happens and if you are a good player if you are skillful in what you do eventually that skill will prevail and you will start winning again. I know both at poker and at bowls I have beated myself up for things just cause it either it weren't my night or I just couldn't do a thing right whatever I tried but at end of the day it happens we just turn it around next time
good luck on tables all, also Penguin I live near the Ricoh arena and the G casino but never been in whats it like mate?
Spike2120
I deal with with it in my own way. If I got my money in first with spanners, well ultimately the other guy was not forced to Call. Wrong, but it feels better if I tell myself that.
If I make a bad Call, that's much easier to handle - I only have myself to blame, & I beat myself up good & proper. I'll cogitate for days on a bad Call. "Unforced error" usually. This is bad thing.
Many players have trouble accepting the responsibility for a mistake. We live in a blame society.
My car crash was caused by black ice, the Council should have gritted the road.
Wrong. Driver error.
I've been so unlucky, I've been made redundant 7 times.
Unlucky? Possible, but unlikely.
Best thing I feel after my very long stupid explanation that got totally underminded by penguins post lol is to just take the bad times on the chin if you have to walk away for a bit leave it a while and go back to it at a later date.
I will be honest here anyone who played me between I think 11 and 4 this afternoon had a field day lol I was shocking and lost a bit of money in the process but eventually after leaving it 20 mins and still not getting anywhere I gave up, walked away, well got called into work and now I am back and playing well and doing ok chip wise so basically let the bad runs go straight out your mind just think to the positives and with it will come a positive vibe on the tables believe me it works.
Oh and for 75% of that I have Tikay to thank for as his post earlier really made me look at things differently.
Thanks Tikay
The rest of your post is interesting too.... yes we all go through bad runs, I had six downhill months once. But dont just blame it on bad beats and bad luck, poker is a confidence game, you wont play well if you believe the cards are against you. If you are not playing well take some time out and think it through. Anger and beating yourself up never help. I started out just playing small tournys coz it was the cheapest way to gain more experience and there was never a time when I played with money I couldnt afford to lose. And Ive always stayed at a level im comfortable with even though Ive built a worthwhile bankroll over the last 2 years. I dont need financial pressure on my game, that way the bad nights dont hurt at all ! So play within your bankroll only move up when you are winning consistently and please enjoy the game.. its supposed to be fun !
As stakes wise I can only afford the lowest stake which I must admit does not bother me in the slightest, poker is poker played at whatever level with whatever stakes and to me it can only slightly be beaten by one thing, but for many years that was all I knew lol, I do have hopes to move up but it will only ever be if my play and bankroll will allow me too
This site has given me something new to try, learn and hopefully I feel I am improving and am getting good at it, thats not saying I am brilliant but that I can hold my own, and most importantly something I love to play, I am doing a maths degree and this allows me to use my maths brain, my competitiveness and my mental thinking all in one, its just great
So don't worry penguin I do enjoy it A LOT and to me it is a lot of fun lol
It's in my real name - "Tony Kendall" - & there is also, embarrassingly, a "tikay Appreciation Society" on Facebook. Again, I've not opened that in over a year I don't think. I like to believe that that one was started by admiring & nubile young females.
Really, I just don't have the time to mess around on Facebook, it's a time-sponge, & I'm a little short of time, both in the near term, & long term, if you get my drift. I have Sky Poker, APAT, "the other place", & I need a little time to play poker, schmooze, &, you know, do nocturnal stuff.
May I ask why you enquire?
The reply MereNovice gave to spike was perfect.
In even less words, if you can get 2/1 about an even money shot, get in. If you are only getting evens about a 2/1 shot, muck.
This logic, by the way, is incredibly important in Omaha - MUCH more so than in Omaha. In Hold Em we try to start with made hands (Pairs), in Omaha, we are usually drawing, re-drawing, & even re-re-drawing. Knowing the odds of the various draws & redraws in Omaha is critically important.
Considering I have been on this site 8/9 months and only started using the forum seriously about a month if that and I feel in possibly just the last couple of days all thanks to the forum, Tikay and anyone else who has given me advise, I have learnt so much more about poker and looking at it a lot different from what I was and with it is coming better results and me playing a better game
Thank you all and especially Thank you to Tikay and MereNovice!