"ANTES UP" all this talk

rosjim1

with all the talk about antes coming into skypoker just wanted to get a feel of who is looking forward to this
personaly i am not looking forward to this at all.
my reason for this is purely because it forces action and put more of a gamble into the game in the later stages this is bad enough on 10 seat tables never mind 6 seated. i dont think it will speed up the tourney that much but i maybe wrong on that. overall i think it may take away a bit of value of the tournies. when rake is at 15% on some games i dont think it will be worth it.  what are your views please point out the benifits i am missing.

thanks james

Machka

I'm pretty sure antes are at the end of a very long line of tweaks and improvements.

It's already been said they'd be useful in maybe <5% of Sky Poker tournaments.

DOHHHHHHH

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with all the talk about antes coming into skypoker just wanted to get a feel of who is looking forward to this personaly i am not looking forward to this at all. my reason for this is purely because it forces action and put more SKILL into the game in the later stages this is bad enough on 10 seat tables never mind 6 seated. i dont think it will speed up the tourney that much but i maybe wrong on that. overall i think it may take away a bit of value of the tournies. when rake is at 15% on some games i dont think it will be worth it.  what are your views please point out the benifits i am missing. thanks james
Posted by rosjim1

FYP

Every single tourny on every single site, and live games worth noting, has antes.

Other than sky.

That includes super deepstacks right through to hyper turbos.

tbf the majority of winning mtt players on sky will hate the introduction of antes because it reduces the amount of hands they have to wait for QQ+.......

And when they come, they'll have less chips to double up....

It's the way forward, and it's very tilting, but it seems you're safe for a while yet. 

EvilPingu

Looking forward to them...in the right tournaments. BH's with antes would be ridiculous though.

rosjim1

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In Response to "ANTES UP" all this talk : FYP Every single tourny on every single site, and live games worth noting, has antes. Other than sky. That includes super deepstacks right through to hyper turbos. tbf the majority of winning mtt players on sky will hate the introduction of antes because it reduces the amount of hands they have to wait for QQ+....... And when they come, they'll have less chips to double up.... It's the way forward, and it's very tilting, but it seems you're safe for a while yet. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

good point every single tourny on every single site  other that sky

imo this is a plus for sky   should sky just blend into the background with the rest??

percival09

blending in the background is better than not being in the background at all

ante's are definitely needed

DOHHHHHHH

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Looking forward to them...in the right tournaments. BH's with antes would be ridiculous though.
Posted by EvilPingu

Why?

scotty77

If Sky is to grow the regular 110£ and above BI tournies then Antes is a must.

I know a fair few friends who are very succesfful MTT players who grind other sites, and when UKOPS was running, the antes question came up a lot

I don't think people appreciate just how much SKILL antes add to tournies.

pryce6

Don't scare all the winning Sky MTT players.

Yes you are going to have to put points in the middle EVERY HAND.

The bubble might actually burst!! Which ones will get dealt QQ+ enough to stop their sharkscopes taking a huge dive...

AMYBR

I find it beyond comprehension that there arent antes tbh.

When you talk of it increasing the gamble and taking a slice of skill away I think you have it the wrong way round tbh.

DOHHHHHHH

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I don't think people appreciate just how much SKILL antes add to tournies.
Posted by scotty77

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This includes the people that run the site, as well as those that play on it, imo. 

Ridonculous how low the antes seem to be on the list of priorities. 

scotty77

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In Response to Re: "ANTES UP" all this talk : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This includes the people that run the site, as well as those that play on it, imo.  Ridonculous how low the antes seem to be on the list of priorities. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Antes are being built into the updated software.  Sky are aware that to attract a certain type of player that antes are a must and it is def gonna coming soon.  Well I can't promise it but just going from the conversations I've had with Adam, who is in charge of the technical side of Sky Poker

Lambert180

To be honest, I don't know ALL the intricacies that introducing antes would bring, but I think it's VERY naive to say it will just affect how many BBs you will have before it becomes shove/fold.

For one, there is such much more value in every single pot, so much more reason to steal the blinds/antes, which in turn completely affects how wide everyone should be raising, which in turns affects how wide everyone should be calling.

rosjim1

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Posted by scotty77

what certain type of player are sky trying to attract??
am i just being a little naive

scotty77

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Posted by rosjim1

if you want to hvae a regular 110/220/550 tournie with a BIG guarantee then you need to get a certain type of player grinding ont he site.

these players will want antes.

once you get these tournies on the Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday 40 tournie schedule of these kind of players then something like the 25kGTD Super Roller could become a more regular thing

DOHHHHHHH

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Posted by rosjim1

It basically gives the best players in the tournament more chance of winning the tournament. Which is the way it should be right?

ie, there's more skill.

If you feel you have an edge as an MTT player, you should welcome the change. 

Attracting better players to play the tournaments here is the 1 and only negative that will come with antes (from a players p.o.v)  

But some that will come will still be kak. So it's not all bad. 

AMYBR

Omg'ness , find we are in agreement on three seperate issues in one day, whats happening?

BorinLoner

I don't mind if antes come in as long as the 6-max tournaments all have their starting stacks increased. Antes will make all the current regular tournaments play like turbos and all the deep stack tournaments play like regulars.

I don't especially want to see antes on Sky because at the moment, to be blunt, the tournaments are a little bit soft. The players that are sitting and waiting for QQ or better are doing that because it's profitable. All the bad players eventually spew their chips to you. I quite fancy my game, so I think I'll be fine either way, but it will make it more tricky and increase the profitability of the worse players, not the more skillful.

It will effectively make every player in the tournament shorter-stacked, and I don't know how people can think that short-stack poker is more skillful than deep-stack poker.

That said, it's inevitable... Vive La Revolution!

DOHHHHHHH

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I don't mind if antes come in as long as the 6-max tournaments all have their starting stacks increased. Antes will make all the current regular tournaments play like turbos and all the deep stack tournaments play like regulars. I don't especially want to see antes on Sky because at the moment, to be blunt, the tournaments are a little bit soft. The players that are sitting and waiting for QQ or better are doing that because it's profitable. All the bad players eventually spew their chips to you. I quite fancy my game, so I think I'll be fine either way, but it will make it more tricky and increase the profitability of the worse players, not the more skillful. It will effectively make every player in the tournament shorter-stacked, and I don't know how people can think that short-stack poker is more skillful than deep-stack poker. That said, it's inevitable... Vive La Revolution!
Posted by BorinLoner

1st highlighted bit - exactly why we need antes.

2nd highlighted bit - big sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

FCHD

I don't understand this at all either. It's said that on the Mastercash tables because they're deeper it takes more skill to win on them, yet on tournaments, you add antes and get everyone shallower then it helps the more skilful player?

I'm all for antes staying away please.

Lambert180

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I don't understand this at all either. It's said that on the Mastercash tables because they're deeper it takes more skill to win on them, yet on tournaments, you add antes and get everyone shallower then it helps the more skilful player? I'm all for antes staying away please.
Posted by FCHD

Well put it like this. The blinds are 300/600 with a running 100 ante, so instead of paying 900 per round, you're paying 1500 per round (in a full table). So the players who sit round waiting for QQ+ go bust quicker/don't ever pick up QQ+ and put themselves in a troublesome spot.

On the other hand, the good players, know there is much more to steal per pot, so widen their range, the better players are capable of assessing which players are passive and will give up their blinds/antes easy and which are not and so can use their skill to build up a big stack while the less skillful players slowly fade away.