Antes prob will increase the skill level as there should be more marginal decisions and better players should be better at making them
But lol at wanting antes cos some players only play QQ+, like its really hard adjust to that fiendishly cunning strategy (or copy it if its so great). Do you want them to change it and make our life harder?
Also lol at wanting antes cos people let themselves go below 5BB, again thats really bad for us
As borin alluded to the players with good results are
(a) prob not playing as tight as you think and have some moves (b) prob capable of adjusting to whatever changes in structure happen
I play far more mtts each week with antes than without. The big difference is the relative starting stacks. On Sky the majority of mtts have a 2000 chips starting stack. PS generally has a starting stack of 3000 or 5000. Even the turbo mtts have a starting stack of 3000.
Let's take 2 mtts - the Open on Sky and a 6 seater equal buy-in mtt on PS and consider the relative starting stacks and antes on PS.
If both players play no hands in either tournament then it would be level 11 before the PS player was reduced by the 1000 chips difference in starting stacks. Standard blind levels are every 12 minutes on Sky and 15 minutes on PS. So it takes two and half hours to lose the additional 1000 chips to the antes.
Even turbo mtts on PS would be at level 13, or one hour and 5 minutes before the 1000 chip difference was levelled.
I'm all for antes but the standard structure must be right. It's a bit rediculous to be wanting antes when the Sky Open is already a faster action tournament than the majority of turbo's on PS.
im guessing they will only put antes on the bigger structured tourneys with bigger blinds and larger starting stacks,they will probably introduce tourneys to suit antes
im guessing they will only put antes on the bigger structured tourneys with bigger blinds and larger starting stacks,they will probably introduce tourneys to suit antes Posted by stokefc
I think Tikay has made that clear in previous posts. Some people want then in everything it seems.
I play far more mtts each week with antes than without. The big difference is the relative starting stacks. On Sky the majority of mtts have a 2000 chips starting stack. PS generally has a starting stack of 3000 or 5000. Even the turbo mtts have a starting stack of 3000. Let's take 2 mtts - the Open on Sky and a 6 seater equal buy-in mtt on PS and consider the relative starting stacks and antes on PS. If both players play no hands in either tournament then it would be level 11 before the PS player was reduced by the 1000 chips difference in starting stacks. Standard blind levels are every 12 minutes on Sky and 15 minutes on PS. So the PS player can play no hands for two and a half hours to reduce to the Sky starting stack. Even turbo mtts on PS would be at level 13, or one hour and 5 minutes before the 1000 chip difference was levelled. I'm all for antes but the standard structure must be right. It's a bit rediculous to be wanting antes when the Sky Open is already a faster action tournament than the majority of turbo's on PS. Posted by elsadog
+1
An intresting debate regarding antes but just think of how much bigger the intial pot is compared to playing without antes and how this affects dynamics and also raise sizes etc...
It would seem to me antes realy make no differance until you get to the bubble and the more aggressive stages of the tournament where you need to start moving your chips around and essentially be more aggressive. Currently the bubble stage takes for ever to burst, and even then it still takes a while to whittle down to a FT. So it basically means players can sit around and wait for bigger hands because they just have more time.
It is stated that therefore being more aggressive with an ante structure is better and will reward, rarther than just sitting waiting for QQ+.- because your not just waiting for a hand to double up, there becomes a nice pot in the middle to win to start with - which will affect your ranges and the dynamic on the table will change. Like someone coming along and wacking some money in the middle in a cash game, kinda.
I agree with antes only being used for a very small majority of MTT, probably £100+ buy in.
The majority of us will not be affected anyway, so pffffffffffffffffft unless SKY change the structure of all MTT's.
In Response to Re: "ANTES UP" all this talk : I think Tikay has made that clear in previous posts. Some people want then in everything it seems. Posted by elsadog
dont be silly elsa,i read them posts yesterday,i can,t remember all that
I actually do not mind antes (non moan post?...WTF?) as it is horses for courses. There should always be a 'choice' though for customers IMHO. From a personnel POV, the bigger buy in games (rollers ect) will benefit from them more than say a £1 deepstack.
The one essential 'fix' that would need to be done if antes do come in is the old moving of players in MTT's from the BUTTON into the blinds. This has been brought up by myself and others (including Eyeman a 1000 times!) but it is essential that it is corrected in the forthcoming up-grades.
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But lol at wanting antes cos some players only play QQ+, like its really hard adjust to that fiendishly cunning strategy (or copy it if its so great). Do you want them to change it and make our life harder?
Also lol at wanting antes cos people let themselves go below 5BB, again thats really bad for us
As borin alluded to the players with good results are
(a) prob not playing as tight as you think and have some moves
(b) prob capable of adjusting to whatever changes in structure happen
Let's take 2 mtts - the Open on Sky and a 6 seater equal buy-in mtt on PS and consider the relative starting stacks and antes on PS.
If both players play no hands in either tournament then it would be level 11 before the PS player was reduced by the 1000 chips difference in starting stacks. Standard blind levels are every 12 minutes on Sky and 15 minutes on PS. So it takes two and half hours to lose the additional 1000 chips to the antes.
Even turbo mtts on PS would be at level 13, or one hour and 5 minutes before the 1000 chip difference was levelled.
I'm all for antes but the standard structure must be right. It's a bit rediculous to be wanting antes when the Sky Open is already a faster action tournament than the majority of turbo's on PS.
Good Post by Elsa.
When Antes arrive, the structures for those Tourneys with Antes will be adjusted as appropriate.
Structures in Tourneys without antes will continue to be reviewed as necessary.
An intresting debate regarding antes but just think of how much bigger the intial pot is compared to playing without antes and how this affects dynamics and also raise sizes etc...
It would seem to me antes realy make no differance until you get to the bubble and the more aggressive stages of the tournament where you need to start moving your chips around and essentially be more aggressive.
Currently the bubble stage takes for ever to burst, and even then it still takes a while to whittle down to a FT.
So it basically means players can sit around and wait for bigger hands because they just have more time.
It is stated that therefore being more aggressive with an ante structure is better and will reward, rarther than just sitting waiting for QQ+.- because your not just waiting for a hand to double up, there becomes a nice pot in the middle to win to start with - which will affect your ranges and the dynamic on the table will change.
Like someone coming along and wacking some money in the middle in a cash game, kinda.
I agree with antes only being used for a very small majority of MTT, probably £100+ buy in.
The majority of us will not be affected anyway, so pffffffffffffffffft unless SKY change the structure of all MTT's.
happy hunting