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MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
No reads, just standard limp limp play.

Best to shove or make some sort of raise ?

Also it's a BH.

Dudeskin8Small blind 75.0075.004185.00
kian2107Big blind 150.00225.005126.67
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
   
ROSSBOYCall 150.00375.008103.00
mario0Call 150.00525.00834.66
burnett11Call 150.00675.007648.50
AndrasteFold    
Dudeskin8
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Comments

  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    I love shoving in these spots :)

    With the shortie, you're likely getting a call so you may end up also getting a loose call from Burnett if he's the sort of player that will do anything to "get dat bounty", so I probably shove here.
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited April 2012
    In Response to MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    No reads, just standard limp limp play. Best to shove or make some sort of raise ? Also it's a BH. Posted by Dudeskin8
    Yukkk!  I hate these spots!! In a BH for me at this stage it's either shove or fold! I can find a fold here! I don't like it but in my (limited) experience limp, limp, limp in a BH can prove costly!
  • GreekWayGreekWay Member Posts: 462
    edited April 2012
    I would reraise definitely here... The so called squeeze play...

    Because it's a BH ship it...
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2012
    I'm always shoving
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    In Response to MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps : Yukkk!  I hate these spots!! In a BH for me at this stage it's either shove or fold! I can find a fold here! I don't like it but in my (limited) experience limp, limp, limp in a BH can prove costly!
    Posted by Glenelg
    Don't understand this post - Limpers are weak and therefore, should give you even more incentive to raise, not less, so if you're folding here, presumably you're folding AK when it's folded to you in the small blind.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited April 2012
    shove
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps : Don't understand this post - Limpers are weak and therefore, should give you even more incentive to raise, not less, so if you're folding here, presumably you're folding AK when it's folded to you in the small blind.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Strange deduction!!  All I'm saying is having played a few BH's on Sky I can find a fold HERE! How many BH's have you played in the last month??
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited April 2012
    shove like above stated reason its a bty hunter in a normal freezeout I personally raise to anything from 750-900 but i suck at mtts lol.
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps : Strange deduction!!  All I'm saying is having played a few BH's on Sky I can find a fold HERE! How many BH's have you played in the last month??
    Posted by Glenelg
    Strange deduction indeed, which is my point, folding AK to 3 limps is bad. Yes, someone's going to limp/call with aces occasionally and you lose the hand. However, most of the time you add several BB's to your stack, or you're called and you're ahead, or you're racing. The result doesn't matter, as long as we make the right play, which is to punish the limpers when we have a hand like AK.

    The number of BH's I've played in the last month is irrelevant, the correct play is still to punish the limpers.
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps : Strange deduction indeed, which is my point, folding AK to 3 limps is bad. Yes, someone's going to limp/call with aces occasionally and you lose the hand. However, most of the time you add several BB's to your stack, or you're called and you're ahead, or you're racing. The result doesn't matter, as long as we make the right play, which is to punish the limpers when we have a hand like AK. The number of BH's I've played in the last month is irrelevant, the correct play is still to punish the limpers.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Folding AK to 3 limpers MAY be bad (in your opinion) but in this situation having seen it SOOOO many times in BH's (occasionally I can live with!)  and lost, without reads, I CAN find a fold.  Oh and as for "the result don't matter" Hmmm?  
    The "correct play" is the play which the person who has paid their money deems correct in the circumstances!   Dude will prob prove me ABSOLUTELY wrong! lol
    I'm just giving my 2p worth as I see it.  I'm a rec player and I try and learn from experience NOT how things will/might pan out over "the neverending game". 
    pad
    p.s Still waiting on PLO game! ;-)
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2012
    results really don't matter, it's what's mathematically correct and shoving with 28BB oop vs 3limpers is standard and is most definitely the correct play here - the fact it's a bh probably encourages me to do it more so because you're likely to get called by a whole range of hands you're ahead of - imo, ofcourse

  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited April 2012

    Personally i don't think it matters what type of tournament your in bounty hunter or not you should be shoving here

  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    p.s Still waiting on PLO game! ;-)
    Posted by Glenelg
    Aye, will need to get PLO8 free play going again sometime :)
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps : Folding AK to 3 limpers MAY be bad (in your opinion) but in this situation having seen it SOOOO many times in BH's (occasionally I can live with!)  and lost, without reads, I CAN find a fold.
    Posted by Glenelg
    I find this to be very interesting.

    The only limper we really need to have any fear of is the first limper, since very few players would chance limping behind with AA or KK. So against a single action, we now consider folding our AK out of fear of AA or KK. The interesting thing is that I doubt that we would fold to a single raise out of fear of AA or KK. We're giving the weak action of a limp more credit for being strong than we would the strong action of a raise.

    I've seen alot of players limp into pots and very, very few of those limps have been strong hands: I'd say a small fraction of one per cent, certainly. Sometimes we get caught out, most of the time we don't.

    The dead money makes this a shove - There's more than 15% of our stack in the middle. If we get called it's unlikely that we're facing a dominating hand so we could be ahead or it could be a race. We need to win races to win tournaments anyway but we have more equity in the hand than the limp-caller, since we can take down the dead money some of the time and they cannot. Don't overplay your hand by making a smaller raise, just stick the lot in the middle.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited April 2012
    Yeah it's a definite jam. Don't think it matters too much that it's a BH really (although does mean you're probably gonna get called my worse hands more often). There's so much in the pot to steal and if you do get called, you're either gonna be flipping, dominating or ahead.
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited April 2012
    Dont like these spots either.

    Bad enough to limp, ergo bad enough to call 5x+ oop.  When we brick its just ugly.

    Only reason to ship is if we believe a worse hand calls///myeh but we increae stack by about 14% uncontested, might not be so bad.

    But know that no pp is folding.  The old limp call it off with 77...........


  • 3barrels3barrels Member Posts: 434
    edited April 2012
    shove you will deffo get called if ita bounty hunter but with this many limps a shove is good here
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2012
    why is it such a definite jam

    Obv not folding or limping. Shoving may be best but dont see how its definitely so much better than making it say 700. I know this is a bh so we are more likely to get calls, but we dont want all folds with AK 28bb deep
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2012
    raising to 700 is probz the correct play but vs donks theyre likely to flat ip, especially the big stacks, and then that puts hero in a difficult spot oop if he misses, that's my way of thinking, anything around 35-40BB and i'm probz raising, not shoving, he just has an awkward stack in an awkward position
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: MTT - AK 28bbs facing lots of limps:
    why is it such a definite jam Obv not folding or limping. Shoving may be best but dont see how its definitely so much better than making it say 700. I know this is a bh so we are more likely to get calls, but we dont want all folds with AK 28bb deep
    Posted by grantorino
    Don't think we get any folds with a standard raise, don't fancy AK going multi

    rarther AK shove and get called by worse, which is so possible in these

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