Ive only been playing poker for 7 weeks but in this time its clear to see that there is a massive gulf in class between alot of the regs who sit v each other everyday. I would say that the good regs make the cash from a mixture of lesser regs and rec players while the lesser regs rely more on the rec players and cash4points and somewhere in the middle of all of that the rec players make a bit of cash now and again which keeps them interested. In all honesty some of the regs might aswell be playing with their cards face up ( never betting without a big hand etc ) so if someone with as little experiance as me can see this the good regs must be having a field day with them Posted by _ARAZI_
Describes it pretty well. Just because someone's a reg, doesn't mean they're any good. There are plenty of dym regs with over -$5000 sharkscopes.
Their are many tables online where their is no or little edge for any player. The edge required over a table will depend on the big blinds per 100 required to break even. 2p 4p - 25p 50p, 7 -15 bbs per 100 required. 50 1 5 -12 bbs per 100 required. 1-2 4-9 The requirement will vary depending on the site. Although less bbs per 100 in required at lower stakes, this can be deceptive because the standard of the regular players will increase as you move from one set of stakes to the next. Therefore be very careful moving up stakes. Make sure you are winning after playing at least 200 hours at one set of stakes before moving up to the next. Make sure you have the bankroll to play at the stakes you play, and manage your bankroll very carefully.Always making sure their is value for in playing the tables you are playing on. Also the bb per 100 requirements can appear to be easier to achieve then they are in reality. At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands. GL. Posted by Fabraclass
this is ludicrous imo, and contradictory, so at 50nl u need to be winning at least 7bb/100 to break even? (to beat the rake)??
if ur winrate is 7bb/100 + 6table nl50 3 hours a day 5 days a week
....6max hands per hour = approx 80
so... (6*80)*3 = 1440 hands x 5 days a week (say 20 a month) = 28800
and 7bb/100 = u make £3.50 per 100 hands = £1008
which if im not mistaked is a quite a handsome part-time earning at nl50
also wtf does this mean? At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands. GL.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : For starters mate i have gained some knowledge but i am not really good In my first 7 weeks i am just below break even but i am happy with that because i know alot lose when first starting out. Secondly the reason i havnt played before now is that even though i have watched poker since the days of late night poker i have only really thought about playing online since i started watching sky poker ( about 15 months or so ) and in that time i have never missed a show either watching live or recording it to watch later. I wanted to get some knowledge of the game before jumping in and then when i finally got my @ss into gear in late march this year i opened my account to play. The words of the guys on the show are now implanted into my head and i always try to use position, hardly ever limp into a pot and generally target the weaker players at the table while avoiding the better ones so i am guessing this is the reason i seem to have experiance when really all i do is try to make the game easier for myself. The most important thing i find when playing is the note taking facility and playing the player alot of the time and not the cards although if you watched me on 25/50 earlier this morning you wouldnt think this worked very well when i went 5 buyins down within 20mins lol A friend of mine gave me a great tip on a certain note to take on players and it is something all players do but something very few players would spot and up to now this seems like it could be very profitable to me over the coming months on sky. (sorry but i wont share this tip with the forum ) My only plan as far as poker goes is to try and improve over time and eventually get to the stage where i am a consistent winning player and not just relying on cash4points etc although i am not saying that is a bad thing for the players that do this because at the end of the day a profit is a profit. Hope this clears everything up and you now know i am not Phil Ivey slumming it on low stakes Good luck at the tables Daz. Posted by _ARAZI_
Well you've certainly made me reconsider my stance haha. I'm suspicious by nature and i clocked that you mention lots how long you've been playing so i didn't believe it. I have now reconsidered though and do actually believe you. And you are better than you give yourself credit for - when playing for so little time your less than break even play could just be because you started with bad variance. Your play is pretty good to be honest and hopefully you'll experience an upswing soon.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Well you've certainly made me reconsider my stance haha. I'm suspicious by nature and i clocked that you mention lots how long you've been playing so i didn't believe it. I have now reconsidered though and do actually believe you. And you are better than you give yourself credit for - when playing for so little time your less than break even play could just be because you started with bad variance. Your play is pretty good to be honest and hopefully you'll experience an upswing soon. Posted by Pipunch
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : For starters mate i have gained some knowledge but i am not really good In my first 7 weeks i am just below break even but i am happy with that because i know alot lose when first starting out. Secondly the reason i havnt played before now is that even though i have watched poker since the days of late night poker i have only really thought about playing online since i started watching sky poker ( about 15 months or so ) and in that time i have never missed a show either watching live or recording it to watch later. I wanted to get some knowledge of the game before jumping in and then when i finally got my @ss into gear in late march this year i opened my account to play. The words of the guys on the show are now implanted into my head and i always try to use position, hardly ever limp into a pot and generally target the weaker players at the table while avoiding the better ones so i am guessing this is the reason i seem to have experiance when really all i do is try to make the game easier for myself. The most important thing i find when playing is the note taking facility and playing the player alot of the time and not the cards although if you watched me on 25/50 earlier this morning you wouldnt think this worked very well when i went 5 buyins down within 20mins lol A friend of mine gave me a great tip on a certain note to take on players and it is something all players do but something very few players would spot and up to now this seems like it could be very profitable to me over the coming months on sky. (sorry but i wont share this tip with the forum ) My only plan as far as poker goes is to try and improve over time and eventually get to the stage where i am a consistent winning player and not just relying on cash4points etc although i am not saying that is a bad thing for the players that do this because at the end of the day a profit is a profit. Hope this clears everything up and you now know i am not Phil Ivey slumming it on low stakes Good luck at the tables Daz. Posted by _ARAZI_
Hi Arazi,
I'm a bit 'in the same boat' as you. I'd watched poker on tv for years but not really knowing much theory, well any really! I did enjoy it but saw myself as giving money away by playing. By chance, i came across SKY POKER and loved the easy, logical explanations as well as the more intricate stuff. Compliments to the team there. It is such an easy going experience watching. Anyway, i watched the lessons, invested in Harrington's vol1 and reread a 'how to play online' book i'd been bought years before but had been to reluctant to get involved with. It was a matter of not wanting to get stuffed !! I like to research and get a bit of knowledge before investing time and money.(No i'm not from Yorkshire...no offence). I must admit though Arazi that i was playing online within a week. I don't know how you could watch for so long and not get involved in playing. It was such a buzz that first time and i was really nervous! The following week i went to my local casino in Liverpool and actually won the tournament more through playing ABC poker and a lot of luck. I got to the Survivor final in the first week from the monday (never since!) and my love of the game was set in stone. In the past 11 months, i can see improvement in my game and i'm still getting a lot of enjoyment from it. I don't play cash as it has different mindsets , i feel though maybe in time. I think people are just surprised that they see you on, for me, big cash tables, getting complimented, quite rightly, by Tikay and the like, as well as having forthright opinions on the forum. Poker players are naturally suspicious as that's the nature of the game. Anyway, all the best in your game. I'm taking the slow road, finance-wise, by playing low levels in order to get more experience first. Good luck to you and hope to see you at a table sometime....cheers.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Hi Arazi, I'm a bit 'in the same boat' as you. I'd watched poker on tv for years but not really knowing much theory, well any really! I did enjoy it but saw myself as giving money away by playing. By chance, i came across SKY POKER and loved the easy, logical explanations as well as the more intricate stuff. Compliments to the team there. It is such an easy going experience watching. Anyway, i watched the lessons, invested in Harrington's vol1 and reread a 'how to play online' book i'd been bought years before but had been to reluctant to get involved with. It was a matter of not wanting to get stuffed !! I like to research and get a bit of knowledge before investing time and money.(No i'm not from Yorkshire...no offence). I must admit though Arazi that i was playing online within a week. I don't know how you could watch for so long and not get involved in playing. It was such a buzz that first time and i was really nervous! The following week i went to my local casino in Liverpool and actually won the tournament more through playing ABC poker and a lot of luck. I got to the Survivor final in the first week from the monday (never since!) and my love of the game was set in stone. In the past 11 months, i can see improvement in my game and i'm still getting a lot of enjoyment from it. I don't play cash as it has different mindsets , i feel though maybe in time. I think people are just surprised that they see you on, for me, big cash tables, getting complimented, quite rightly, by Tikay and the like, as well as having forthright opinions on the forum. Poker players are naturally suspicious as that's the nature of the game. Anyway, all the best in your game. I'm taking the slow road, finance-wise, by playing low levels in order to get more experience first. Good luck to you and hope to see you at a table sometime....cheers. Posted by profman15
Excellent post. A tip i've found is helping me is to make sure you're more than adequately rolled for a level, and then hide your balance. I was in the mindset of sitting at the table with 4x the buy in, then calculating up total profit and loss. Then if you are put to the test for 50% of it you think 'hmm i had £x i don't want to lose what i've built up in this session' and can play scared.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : This is all well and good and all a bit depressing tbh (not sure on your figures either btw), but who the **** asked! whats your poker background m8? what stakes do you play? Posted by WHOAMI196
First off I hope you have calmed down since you wrote your reply to my post.As you came across as a bit aggressive and confrontational. In my post i was trying to illustrate what is required to beat the game of poker. I think it is very important to be realistic in the game of poker and to know exactly what is required to be profitable. It can be very easy to think I am pretty good at this game and should make decent money from it. The reality is that 90% of people wont win money at poker, and this applies to cash games aswell.My post is aimed at people who are looking to make an income stream from poker. I am not trying to discourage people from playing, or recreational players feeding pro's. I am trying to encourage more serious player's to be more selective about who they play. To give themselves a better chance of turning a profit long term.
Since your are unsure about my figures, I shall provide you with the source
I was slightly reticent about providing the source at it advertises other sites, and doesn't include sky poker. But since you want to know. My figures try to make some allowance for rakeback.)
The reason i post on sky is because i like the community aspect of the site, and their seems to be a lot of good people on here, who i would like to help with my knowledge and experience. As far as my poker background. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands. I currently play heads up 50 NL, and am looking to build a bankroll so that I will be in better position to hopefully make a living from the game
In response to the question "Who the **** asked" No one in particular. However if I can dispense information that I think will be valuable to people, then I am at liberty to do so. The truth can hurt, however it is almost always good to be aware of the truth, and to present the truth. The main reason I post is to help people. Ego driven or attention seeking reasons, are'nt really factors.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : this is ludicrous imo, and contradictory, so at 50nl u need to be winning at least 7bb/100 to break even? (to beat the rake)?? if ur winrate is 7bb/100 + 6table nl50 3 hours a day 5 days a week ....6max hands per hour = approx 80 so... (6*80)*3 = 1440 hands x 5 days a week (say 20 a month) = 28800 and 7bb/100 = u make £3.50 per 100 hands = £1008 which if im not mistaked is a quite a handsome part-time earning at nl50 also wtf does this mean? At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands. GL. Posted by sikas
Don't shoot the messenger. The source of my information is as follows
In response to your classilly put "wtf does this mean".The quote means exactly what it says. Go the site and do the maths for yourself. I was referring to 6 max cash by the way. I tried to allow for rakeback.
Thanks for the gratitude in your post. Do you want me to filter you out the next time i try to provide information that will be beneficial to people.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : First off I hope you have calmed down since you wrote your reply to my post.As you came across as a bit aggressive and confrontational. In my post i was trying to illustrate what is required to beat the game of poker. I think it is very important to be realistic in the game of poker and to know exactly what is required to be profitable. It can be very easy to think I am pretty good at this game and should make decent money from it. The reality is that 90% of people wont win money at poker, and this applies to cash games aswell.My post is aimed at people who are looking to make an income stream from poker. I am not trying to discourage people from playing, or recreational players feeding pro's. I am trying to encourage more serious player's to be more selective about who they play. To give themselves a better chance of turning a profit long term. Since your are unsure about my figures, I shall provide you with the source www.pokertableratings.com (poker tools, then site rake analysis) I was slightly reticent about providing the source at it advertises other sites, and doesn't include sky poker. But since you want to know. My figures try to make some allowance for rakeback.) The reason i post on sky is because i like the community aspect of the site, and their seems to be a lot of good people on here, who i would like to help with my knowledge and experience. As far as my poker background. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands. I currently play heads up 50 NL, and am looking to build a bankroll so that I will be in better position to hopefully make a living from the game In response to the question "Who the **** asked" No one in particular. However if I can dispense information that I think will be valuable to people, then I am at liberty to do so. The truth can hurt, however it is almost always good to be aware of the truth, and to present the truth. The main reason I post is to help people. Ego driven or attention seeking reasons, are'nt really factors. Posted by Fabraclass
Sorry if i came across aggressive maybe its my johnny cash pic lol, but i was just wondering if you were on drugs that's all.... Since you get your figures from a "source" then they are not your figures are they! you play heads up, so maybe 7bb/100 is what is needed to beat rake and keep ahead of the blinds; i dont know. But in a ring game anything over 0bb/100, is good, for 4 months at 888 i was doing 4bb/100, and i felt that was crushing.
You came across to me like a person who does not play online poker that has read a few books and to then throw all the information that you have acquired when making posts, although maybe valid but albeit depressing in the sense that all you say is, you MUST do this, MUST achieve that etc, etc.
Also i find these numbers on losing players being at 90% or whatever are wrong and misguided, wtf and htf people get these figures? take away all recreational players, all players who like to take it seriously but cant with work commitment, take away all those rich folk who just like to gamble it up, and all the micro players, then you would only be left with a tiny percentage of all the playing field who take the game very seriously, who are pros, and it would not seem too rash to think that you can make a lot of money at poker seeing that a high percentage of the pros are probably making money.
Lastly i hope i don't discourage you to post in the future, as you are obviously smart, and in your 30 or so posts you have contributed quite a bit and long may it continue.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Sorry if i came across aggressive maybe its my johnny cash pic lol, but i was just wondering if you were on drugs that's all.... Since you get your figures from a "source" then they are not your figures are they! you play heads up, so maybe 7bb/100 is what is needed to beat rake and keep ahead of the blinds; i dont know. But in a ring game anything over 0bb/100, is good, for 4 months at 888 i was doing 4bb/100, and i felt that was crushing. You came across to me like a person who does not play online poker that has read a few books and to then throw all the information that you have acquired when making posts, although maybe valid but albeit depressing in the sense that all you say is, you MUST do this, MUST achieve that etc, etc. Also i find these numbers on losing players being at 90% or whatever are wrong and misguided, wtf and htf people get these figures? take away all recreational players, all players who like to take it seriously but cant with work commitment, take away all those rich folk who just like to gamble it up, and all the micro players, then you would only be left with a tiny percentage of all the playing field who take the game very seriously, who are pros, and it would not seem too rash to think that you can make a lot of money at poker seeing that a high percentage of the pros are probably making money. Lastly i hope i don't discourage you to post in the future, as you are obviously smart, and in your 30 or so posts you have contributed quite a bit and long may it continue. Posted by WHOAMI196
No i wasn't on drugs. Don' t know how you would get that impression. Where you on drugs when you read it? Yeah my figure where from a source, however they were my figures, in the sense of I provided them, broke them down to bbs per 100, and altered them to take account of rakeback.
A certain amount of bbs per 100 are required to win at all forms of cash poker including 6 max cash.Anything above this is your win rate.
If at 20nl you pay £2 per 100 hands in rake. This means you must win 10 bbs per 100 to break even(not accounting for rakeback) bb s per 100 above this is your win rate.
Most of the knowledge I have, has come from experience in poker. I'm not a great proponent of poker books, as i think their are more effective and efficient ways of learning, eg training videos and analysing sessions, speaking with very good players. I am not trying to depress people, I am trying to promote realism in poker. If I come across to you as saying "YOU MUST DO THIS" their is good reason for me speaking with an heir of conviction. When you are trying to convey important messages, it is important to do so with conviction.
Their is no maybe about it, the information i give is valid and will help you.At least 90% of players will lose money at poker in the long term. That's just the way the game works. Their is no point being in denial about this. Just do what you can to be in the minority who make money.
Don't worry about me being put off posting. As I have received attacks to my posts. It doesn't really bother me. To some extent it is human nature. But should not be tolerated. But just be careful about being overly critical of and unjustifiably critical of peoples posts. As this can discourage people from posting. Sky wants its players to feel welcome on the forum. Every persons post deserves respect. So these people who try and elevate themselves in their own minds by slating other peoples posts. Take heed and take a good look in the mirror.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Hi Arazi, I'm a bit 'in the same boat' as you. I'd watched poker on tv for years but not really knowing much theory, well any really! I did enjoy it but saw myself as giving money away by playing. By chance, i came across SKY POKER and loved the easy, logical explanations as well as the more intricate stuff. Compliments to the team there. It is such an easy going experience watching. Anyway, i watched the lessons, invested in Harrington's vol1 and reread a 'how to play online' book i'd been bought years before but had been to reluctant to get involved with. It was a matter of not wanting to get stuffed !! I like to research and get a bit of knowledge before investing time and money.(No i'm not from Yorkshire...no offence). I must admit though Arazi that i was playing online within a week. I don't know how you could watch for so long and not get involved in playing. It was such a buzz that first time and i was really nervous! The following week i went to my local casino in Liverpool and actually won the tournament more through playing ABC poker and a lot of luck. I got to the Survivor final in the first week from the monday (never since!) and my love of the game was set in stone. In the past 11 months, i can see improvement in my game and i'm still getting a lot of enjoyment from it. I don't play cash as it has different mindsets , i feel though maybe in time. I think people are just surprised that they see you on, for me, big cash tables, getting complimented, quite rightly, by Tikay and the like, as well as having forthright opinions on the forum. Poker players are naturally suspicious as that's the nature of the game. Anyway, all the best in your game. I'm taking the slow road, finance-wise, by playing low levels in order to get more experience first. Good luck to you and hope to see you at a table sometime....cheers. Posted by profman15
Hi mate.
In all honesty i didnt say to myself i will watch and learn for a year before opening a account, i always intended to learn for a while first but a combination of work, family and ill health delayed it longer than i had planned.
Funnily enough though it is due to ill health that i have finally opened a account because i was in a very bad car accident earlier this year and have recently had a operation on one of my legs and am now layed up for a while.
Health wise everything should be ok in time but they say every cloud has a silver lining so having a bit of time on my hands to finally play poker is mine mate
As far as starting at high stakes goes i am lucky enough that my bankroll is easily big enough to play the stakes i am playing without playing anywhere near scared money and it helps alot when making plays in pots when your not afraid of losing and that said i wouldnt hold your breath to be seeing me on top of the pots in the near future because at those stakes i think i would be bullied out of every pot i played
Since joining Sky i have played from 5p/10p up to £1/£2 but feel happiest at the 20p/40p and 25p/50p stakes as that is where i have made the most notes and where i feel there is more value to be had.
I myself prefer playing cash as that is the game where i feel i have got the grasp of more quickly and my favourite Sky show was always the old mastercash shows where they would start the evening on low stake tables and work there way up during the night.
I am finding that trying to keep the game simple for myself and trying to stay out of the firing line of the better players at the tables is working at the moment and intend to keep going down that road. When you here Tikay saying raise it up pre, play position or dont play rag aces etc etc it is definatly not because he just likes to hear his own voice and doing these few simple things can make the game so much easier for anyone.
Good luck to you at the tables mate and i have no doubt we will be at the same table at some point.
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Hi mate. In all honesty i didnt say to myself i will watch and learn for a year before opening a account, i always intended to learn for a while first but a combination of work, family and ill health delayed it longer than i had planned. Funnily enough though it is due to ill health that i have finally opened a account because i was in a very bad car accident earlier this year and have recently had a operation on one of my legs and am now layed up for a while. Health wise everything should be ok in time but they say every cloud has a silver lining so having a bit of time on my hands to finally play poker is mine mate As far as starting at high stakes goes i am lucky enough that my bankroll is easily big enough to play the stakes i am playing without playing anywhere near scared money and it helps alot when making plays in pots when your not afraid of losing and that said i wouldnt hold your breath to be seeing me on top of the pots in the near future because at those stakes i think i would be bullied out of every pot i played Since joining Sky i have played from 5p/10p up to £1/£2 but feel happiest at the 20p/40p and 25p/50p stakes as that is where i have made the most notes and where i feel there is more value to be had. I myself prefer playing cash as that is the game where i feel i have got the grasp of more quickly and my favourite Sky show was always the old mastercash shows where they would start the evening on low stake tables and work there way up during the night. I am finding that trying to keep the game simple for myself and trying to stay out of the firing line of the better players at the tables is working at the moment and intend to keep going down that road. When you here Tikay saying raise it up pre, play position or dont play rag aces etc etc it is definatly not because he just likes to hear his own voice and doing these few simple things can make the game so much easier for anyone. Good luck to you at the tables mate and i have no doubt we will be at the same table at some point. Daz Posted by _ARAZI_
Sorry, I'm not intending to join in with the people debating the fact you have genuinely only been playing for 7 weeks. But you've said you are not playing with scared money, are happy to 'make plays' and your BR is easily big enough to play the stakes you play. You've then said you regularly play 50NL, so am I right in thinking, you had never played poker in your entire life and just decided to deposit £1500+ one day??
Cos I would certainly not count less than 30 BIs as being easily big enough, even 30 is on the low-ish side. If so, that's very brave/stupid (no offence) unless you are a very rich man and just have money to burn. Theory and knowledge is paramount but practial experience is also vital and it seems foolish to jump in at 50NL when you're still dipping your toe into the game.
If you're winning at your current level. Why change?
The downside of starting in the level you've chosen is the calibre of player you meet will be on the whole much higher. Like premiership football you will be difficult to read at first but the more you play the more your opponents learn. At some point you will take a beating because the players you face are well respected and have a great deal more insight into the game than most.
Enjoy and adapt your game as you have done in your first seven weeks and you'll be hooked.
So far as how long you've been playing poker. Who gives a hoot? you've either got a winning or a losing game the only person who should worry about your bankroll/ability is yourself!
There are many great posters on the forum Evil Pingu writes some great posts but there are others including myself who think they know more about poker than they actually do!
I would recommend D'oh, Evil Pingu, Penguin 07 and Archangels posts as being well worth reading as they are easy to read but more importantly sensible and easy to relate to and in D'ohs case almost always humerous.
cant even be bothered to read the bickering lol its giving me a head ache already has anyone got any online forum paracetamal my brain hurts. Posted by Dazler
Spornybol used to say drinking far too much the night before was good for headaches! but i'm not sure it was for the cure or recipe!
In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Sorry, I'm not intending to join in with the people debating the fact you have genuinely only been playing for 7 weeks. But you've said you are not playing with scared money, are happy to 'make plays' and your BR is easily big enough to play the stakes you play. You've then said you regularly play 50NL, so am I right in thinking, you had never played poker in your entire life and just decided to deposit £1500+ one day?? Cos I would certainly not count less than 30 BIs as being easily big enough, even 30 is on the low-ish side. If so, that's very brave/stupid (no offence) unless you are a very rich man and just have money to burn. Theory and knowledge is paramount but practial experience is also vital and it seems foolish to jump in at 50NL when you're still dipping your toe into the game. Posted by Lambert180
Hi mate.
Think my first deposit was £500 and i played a number of stakes playing 1 or 2 tables until i got the hang of it and after a week or so i was up to playing 6-7 (clearing my bonus had alot to do with this ) but feel happiest playing 3 so in the main thats how many i will be playing.
When i first started i got the welcome bonus from sky of which i think i cleared £480 of it and that went towards the cash i had in my account but like i said in one of above posts i am only breaking even on the account so far so my account balance hasnt gone any higher.
When playing more than 3-4 tables i find myself making alot more mistakes and also find i do the same when tired so these are things i intend to cut down on.
When i say i am not playing scared money i mean that if it comes to a point when i need more cash in my account i will just go to deposit and put somemore in but for now i am happy just using what i have in the account.
I am not a very rich man lol nor am i stupid ( no offence taken mate ) but i am comfortable enough to be able to play the stakes i am without worry and if i had started any lower i feel i wouldnt have been able to focus on the game properly.
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I'm a bit 'in the same boat' as you. I'd watched poker on tv for years but not really knowing much theory, well any really! I did enjoy it but saw myself as giving money away by playing. By chance, i came across SKY POKER and loved the easy, logical explanations as well as the more intricate stuff. Compliments to the team there. It is such an easy going experience watching. Anyway, i watched the lessons, invested in Harrington's vol1 and reread a 'how to play online' book i'd been bought years before but had been to reluctant to get involved with.
It was a matter of not wanting to get stuffed !! I like to research and get a bit of knowledge before investing time and money.(No i'm not from Yorkshire...no offence).
I must admit though Arazi that i was playing online within a week. I don't know how you could watch for so long and not get involved in playing. It was such a buzz that first time and i was really nervous!
The following week i went to my local casino in Liverpool and actually won the tournament more through playing ABC poker and a lot of luck. I got to the Survivor final in the first week from the monday (never since!) and my love of the game was set in stone. In the past 11 months, i can see improvement in my game and i'm still getting a lot of enjoyment from it. I don't play cash as it has different mindsets , i feel though maybe in time.
I think people are just surprised that they see you on, for me, big cash tables, getting complimented, quite rightly, by Tikay and the like, as well as having forthright opinions on the forum. Poker players are naturally suspicious as that's the nature of the game.
Anyway, all the best in your game. I'm taking the slow road, finance-wise, by playing low levels in order to get more experience first. Good luck to you and hope to see you at a table sometime....cheers.
Since your are unsure about my figures, I shall provide you with the source
www.pokertableratings.com (poker tools, then site rake analysis)
I was slightly reticent about providing the source at it advertises other sites, and doesn't include sky poker. But since you want to know. My figures try to make some allowance for rakeback.)
The reason i post on sky is because i like the community aspect of the site, and their seems to be a lot of good people on here, who i would like to help with my knowledge and experience. As far as my poker background. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands. I currently play heads up 50 NL, and am looking to build a bankroll so that I will be in better position to hopefully make a living from the game
In response to the question "Who the **** asked" No one in particular. However if I can dispense information that I think will be valuable to people, then I am at liberty to do so. The truth can hurt, however it is almost always good to be aware of the truth, and to present the truth. The main reason I post is to help people. Ego driven or attention seeking reasons, are'nt really factors.
www.pokertableratings.com (then go to poker tools and site rake analysis)
In response to your classilly put "wtf does this mean".The quote means exactly what it says. Go the site and do the maths for yourself. I was referring to 6 max cash by the way. I tried to allow for rakeback.
Thanks for the gratitude in your post. Do you want me to filter you out the next time i try to provide information that will be beneficial to people.
A certain amount of bbs per 100 are required to win at all forms of cash poker including 6 max cash.Anything above this is your win rate.
If at 20nl you pay £2 per 100 hands in rake. This means you must win 10 bbs per 100 to break even(not accounting for rakeback) bb s per 100 above this is your win rate.
Most of the knowledge I have, has come from experience in poker. I'm not a great proponent of poker books, as i think their are more effective and efficient ways of learning, eg training videos and analysing sessions, speaking with very good players. I am not trying to depress people, I am trying to promote realism in poker. If I come across to you as saying "YOU MUST DO THIS" their is good reason for me speaking with an heir of conviction. When you are trying to convey important messages, it is important to do so with conviction.
Their is no maybe about it, the information i give is valid and will help you.At least 90% of players will lose money at poker in the long term. That's just the way the game works. Their is no point being in denial about this. Just do what you can to be in the minority who make money.
Don't worry about me being put off posting. As I have received attacks to my posts. It doesn't really bother me. To some extent it is human nature. But should not be tolerated. But just be careful about being overly critical of and unjustifiably critical of peoples posts. As this can discourage people from posting. Sky wants its players to feel welcome on the forum. Every persons post deserves respect. So these people who try and elevate themselves in their own minds by slating other peoples posts. Take heed and take a good look in the mirror.
In all honesty i didnt say to myself i will watch and learn for a year before opening a account, i always intended to learn for a while first but a combination of work, family and ill health delayed it longer than i had planned.
Funnily enough though it is due to ill health that i have finally opened a account because i was in a very bad car accident earlier this year and have recently had a operation on one of my legs and am now layed up for a while.
Health wise everything should be ok in time but they say every cloud has a silver lining so having a bit of time on my hands to finally play poker is mine mate
As far as starting at high stakes goes i am lucky enough that my bankroll is easily big enough to play the stakes i am playing without playing anywhere near scared money and it helps alot when making plays in pots when your not afraid of losing and that said i wouldnt hold your breath to be seeing me on top of the pots in the near future because at those stakes i think i would be bullied out of every pot i played
Since joining Sky i have played from 5p/10p up to £1/£2 but feel happiest at the 20p/40p and 25p/50p stakes as that is where i have made the most notes and where i feel there is more value to be had.
I myself prefer playing cash as that is the game where i feel i have got the grasp of more quickly and my favourite Sky show was always the old mastercash shows where they would start the evening on low stake tables and work there way up during the night.
I am finding that trying to keep the game simple for myself and trying to stay out of the firing line of the better players at the tables is working at the moment and intend to keep going down that road. When you here Tikay saying raise it up pre, play position or dont play rag aces etc etc it is definatly not because he just likes to hear his own voice and doing these few simple things can make the game so much easier for anyone.
Good luck to you at the tables mate and i have no doubt we will be at the same table at some point.
Daz
Cos I would certainly not count less than 30 BIs as being easily big enough, even 30 is on the low-ish side. If so, that's very brave/stupid (no offence) unless you are a very rich man and just have money to burn. Theory and knowledge is paramount but practial experience is also vital and it seems foolish to jump in at 50NL when you're still dipping your toe into the game.
If you're winning at your current level. Why change?
The downside of starting in the level you've chosen is the calibre of player you meet will be on the whole much higher.
Like premiership football you will be difficult to read at first but the more you play the more your opponents learn.
At some point you will take a beating because the players you face are well respected and have a great deal more insight into the game than most.
Enjoy and adapt your game as you have done in your first seven weeks and you'll be hooked.
So far as how long you've been playing poker. Who gives a hoot? you've either got a winning or a losing game the only person who should worry about your bankroll/ability is yourself!
There are many great posters on the forum Evil Pingu writes some great posts but there are others including myself who think they know more about poker than they actually do!
I would recommend D'oh, Evil Pingu, Penguin 07 and Archangels posts as being well worth reading as they are easy to read but more importantly sensible and easy to relate to and in D'ohs case almost always humerous.
Good luck and keep on winning!
cant even be bothered to read the bickering lol its giving me a head ache already has anyone got any online forum paracetamal my brain hurts.
but i'm not sure it was for the cure or recipe!
nice 2 know uve got 1 daz....
a brain that is.!!! lol
(only jokin buddy.., he he.)
:-)
dev
Hi mate.
Think my first deposit was £500 and i played a number of stakes playing 1 or 2 tables until i got the hang of it and after a week or so i was up to playing 6-7 (clearing my bonus had alot to do with this ) but feel happiest playing 3 so in the main thats how many i will be playing.
When i first started i got the welcome bonus from sky of which i think i cleared £480 of it and that went towards the cash i had in my account but like i said in one of above posts i am only breaking even on the account so far so my account balance hasnt gone any higher.
When playing more than 3-4 tables i find myself making alot more mistakes and also find i do the same when tired so these are things i intend to cut down on.
When i say i am not playing scared money i mean that if it comes to a point when i need more cash in my account i will just go to deposit and put somemore in but for now i am happy just using what i have in the account.
I am not a very rich man lol nor am i stupid ( no offence taken mate
Hope this all makes sense mate
Daz